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Looks like James Brewer gets another season in blue

spike : 7/20/2014 10:55 pm
with Snee retiring, Brewer might have a roster spot once again.

I don't see Eric Herman beating him out in camp just yet.
You never know  
mrvax : 7/20/2014 11:21 pm : link
If Brewer doesn't look too good in camp, why keep him around? There's sure to be another few offensive linemen to shake loose. It'd be easy to upgrade Brewer's performance, IMO.

Awful player  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2014 12:37 am : link
I don't keep Brewer on the team even if we had unlimited roster spots...
Depend on the health of  
barens : 7/21/2014 1:12 am : link
Jerry.
I think  
Mr. Nickels : 7/21/2014 2:08 am : link
it just means Herman makes the team
Snee's imanent retirement  
BlueLou : 7/21/2014 3:14 am : link
May very well not help Brewer at all. Look at Eric's OL roster prediction thread.
there was one play last year where a guy blew by Brewer while  
gtt350 : 7/21/2014 5:10 am : link
he was still in his stance
It could mean we pick up an ol  
Ira : 7/21/2014 5:45 am : link
that another team cuts.
without Snee  
aquidneck : 7/21/2014 6:56 am : link
There are still 14 other OL bodies on the roster other than Brewer.

And yes, it's still possible we could add another body prior to start of season.

Brewer won't be given a roster spot. If he makes the team it will be because he was one of the best 8 or 9.
Don't  
DTgiants : 7/21/2014 7:08 am : link
discount Richburg as the starting RG.
I'm not sure Snee's presence or absence affects Brewer  
Jupiter : 7/21/2014 7:29 am : link
Brewer has had enough opportunities. This should be his last chance to show that he can produce to his potential. Produce or move on so the Giants can try someone else.
While Snee's retirement would have little direct bearing on Brewer...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/21/2014 7:40 am : link
...it could help him indirectly by making Jerry or Mosley a starting guard. That would reduce the competition for one of the "versatile" backup spots - one that usually goes to a swing tackle or a lineman who can fill in at either tackle or guard. Brewer began 2013 in that role - before injuries made him a starter - and it's conceivable that he could reclaim it.

Mostly, he needs to play better; but thinner competition means more reps and more paths to the roster.
Brewer was always supposed to be a tackle  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/21/2014 8:13 am : link
If he can get the backup snaps and show anything he maunder a chance to stick at least until Beatty is back.
DTgiants: While I might discount Richburg at RG...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/21/2014 8:29 am : link
...I definitely wouldn't discount him at LG, with Schwartz moving over to replace Snee.
If Schwartz's natural position is RG  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2014 8:34 am : link
then why wasn't he lining up there at OTAs when Snee wasn't in? You all don't think this is some type of "respect" thing?
RE: Brewer was always supposed to be a tackle  
AcidTest : 7/21/2014 8:51 am : link
In comment 11774141 LauderdaleMatty said:
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If he can get the backup snaps and show anything he maunder a chance to stick at least until Beatty is back.


This. Brewer makes it as a backup tackle or he's gone. And I think he's gone. But based on FA and the draft, we have enough guards. But Brewer just isn't that good. I think his problems are more mental than physical. He always seems a half a step behind the play. He either doesn't study enough, or can't learn the material. He just doesn't seem to know what he's doing much of the time.

If there's any hope, it's that Gilbride's offense was notoriously complicated. Brewer might have a chance in a less complicated offense. But this is his last chance.
RE: DTgiants: While I might discount Richburg at RG...  
GIANTSr01 : 7/21/2014 9:04 am : link
In comment 11774163 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...I definitely wouldn't discount him at LG, with Schwartz moving over to replace Snee.


Just wondering if we'll now see Schwartz move or to RG. Was Jerry LG or RG?

Also, why would anyone assume Brewer is likely to make the team? They've reloaded across the entire OL:
LT: Beatty, Brown
LG: Schwartz, Mosley
C: Walton, Richburg
RG: Jerry?, Hermann
RT: Pugh, Brewer

I still think Brewer is battling for the 9th OL spot on the roster. And that could likely be decided by training camp/preseason injuries rather than play.

Guy Whimper, Jamon Meredith and Matt McCants are still in the NFL...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/21/2014 9:34 am : link
...and competing for playing time. I wouldn't be too quick to write off James Brewer. Backup offensive linemen are incredibly difficult to assess. They get limited snaps, and tend to play only in the most adverse circumstances, at positions where repetition and continuity are crucial.

Brewer has sucked, but his past suckage might mean less than we assume.
GIANTSr01: Jerry is a pure right guard.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/21/2014 9:44 am : link
Incognito was a fixture at LG while Jerry was in Miami. When Incognito was suspended, Jerry remained at RG and various backups filled in at LG.

I'd like to see Schwartz at RG with an open competition at LG, because that would indicate that the staff thinks Mosley and/or Richburg could be ready to start. More likely, Schwartz will stay at LG and Jerry will take over from Snee.
Giants knew there was a good chance Snee would not play  
oipolloi : 7/21/2014 9:47 am : link
Given that Snee has back and hip issues--both killers for an OL--and was unable to play most of last season, Reese and Co. obviously would have been grossly remiss if they had just penciled him in as the starter.

They knew that there was a very good chance of this happening. That's why they signed 3 interior OL and drafted another.

Schwartz has played RG and my guess is that he will play RG for the Giants. If Beatty is a question mark, then maybe they put the vet Schwartz at LG this year instead of the untested Mosely. But going forward, Schwartz is the RG and Mosely/Walton/Richburg the LG.

Brewer is gone unless he plays significantly better than Herman. Herman has the edge because he has two more low cost seasons before he becomes a RFA. So Brewer really has to outplay him by a decent margin to stick. Of course, there are always injuries. If Walton or Jerry can't go, Brewer is the fall back option.

Putting that altogether, I'd say there is a 50% chance he is a Giant this year.

This is my thinking too.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/21/2014 9:49 am : link
"If Beatty is a question mark, then maybe they put the vet Schwartz at LG this year instead of the untested Mosely"
Schwartz should be left at Guard. The  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/21/2014 10:09 am : link
Interior sucked ass last year. If possible you have Brown Pugh and Brewer at T and only need Schwartz at tackle if thread and emergency.

Because a guy can play a position doesn't mean he should. Brewer should have been left at tackle at preseason last year. Dude is a tackle. Maybe he won't ever be an NFL one but more snaps at RT would at least let the Giants know a lot more at this point. I'm not saying they'd move Pugh to the left but might have been an option if Beatty is delayed or worse if he plays like last year which is certainly possible.

Oipolloi: It puzzles me that Herman would be an RFA in 2016.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/21/2014 10:26 am : link
He didn't earn a credited season in 2013, and he's making the rookie minimum in 2014. I know Spotrac shows him as a 2016 RFA, but I don't get why that would be.

It seems to me that Herman is on the same path as Larry Donnell, but one year behind him. After spending 2012 on the practice squad, Donnell earned his first accrued season in 2013. He will be an ERFA in 2015, and an RFA in 2016.
LauderdaleMatty: Nobody suggested moving Schwartz to tackle.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/21/2014 10:30 am : link
Oipolloi was just noting that one reason to put Schwartz at LG is that you might want the stronger guard (Schwartz) next to the weaker tackle (presumed to be Beatty).
If Brewer doesn't make the team,  
Exit 172 : 7/21/2014 10:35 am : link
he'll probably just blame New Jersey.
I see Dallas Reynolds  
NYGmen58 : 7/21/2014 10:41 am : link
making the 9th spot over Brewer.

No chance Hermann makes the active roster at all.

Brewer is terrible but his only saving grace is that he plays RT too, which they can use a backup at.

Brewer was probably the worst OL in the NFL last year  
Some Fan : 7/21/2014 10:48 am : link
I do not look forward to see him bumbing around looking for someone to block and hitting no one.
I think we should put Schwartz at his best position  
Some Fan : 7/21/2014 10:50 am : link
and not put him somewhere to protect shitty play. I hope that is not how the Giants are thinking.
NYGmen: I don't see Dallas Reynolds making the team because  
Bobby Epps : 7/21/2014 11:19 am : link
he's terrible and can only play Center (badly, too). With Walton and Richburg able to play C, IMO we don't need a 3d player to play C, if that's all he can play.

We have Schwartz, Jerry, Moseley and Richburg to play G. Therefore, I think we have enough players at that position.

The key to the OL IMO is T. Pugh developed into a good RT but, God forbid, what happens if he gets hurt? Beatty was hurt in 2013 but played badly before being hurt So, which Beatty will we see- the 2012 version or 2013?

So, I think we should focus on Charles Brown, James Brewer, Demarcus Love and Troy Kropog to see if any of them can seize the opportunity presented to them and play T at the NFL-level.
Only  
old man : 7/21/2014 11:22 am : link
if he proves he can do the job better than the theoretical #51 guy; I'm not so sure, though I do hope the new O works for him too.
Brewer at the Tackle position is insane...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2014 12:58 pm : link
He really has no business being on an NFL roster, and if you can't grab a hold of a job on ours then you really must be bad.

He needs to be cut, and if we are lucky someone in the NFC East will pick him up.

the 3 stooges  
grizz299 : 7/21/2014 1:56 pm : link
David Brown playing bocci ball at qb, looking for all the world like an old man at Bay 8th. St in bklyn.
The Wisconsin running back looking for a soft spot to lay down in....."soft but not too muddy, would be soooo, oh you know, super duper?".
The polite James Brewer making sure he doesn't get in a defensive players way.
. Well excuse me! It's not like I was trying to get in your way. The nerve of some people around here, put a helmet on them and this is what you get".
RE: LauderdaleMatty: Nobody suggested moving Schwartz to tackle.  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/21/2014 4:19 pm : link
In comment 11774402 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Oipolloi was just noting that one reason to put Schwartz at LG is that you might want the stronger guard (Schwartz) next to the weaker tackle (presumed to be Beatty).


I've heard it on a few occations that he can play tackle. And even heard it suggested a couple of times. I saw that. Not a bad idea IMO because I have made not clear I am not a Beatty fan and even at 100% I think he needs help vs the better pass rushers.
RE: Brewer was probably the worst OL in the NFL last year  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/22/2014 12:13 am : link
In comment 11774442 Some Fan said:
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I do not look forward to see him bumbing around looking for someone to block and hitting no one.


Oh the pain...





Looking at Brewer tape,  
BlueLou : 7/22/2014 7:06 pm : link
makes you appreciate Beatty.
Love that top GIF of Brewer...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/22/2014 7:15 pm : link
making a business decision against the Seattle cornerback.
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