We can use Stat to land a big name player in a trade. Obviously I'm not saying Stat's value but because of his high price tag. Or do we just let him play the year out and keep our fingers crossed we land one of the top FA next off-season?
since Jackson has basically said that we have a lot of guards and the roster needs to be balanced out. Curious to see if we can pull of anything for any of them, not sure what kind of value they have.
I don't see any reason to trade STAT. All the good FA's are off the market, so the motivation for cap relief isn't there anymore. And we aren't going to blow our cap space for next season, so who that we could fetch for STAT that is also on a one year deal would have higher upside than him? When healthy he is still a beast offensively. And in the triangle we could see him get even better with his elbow and post opportunities. Not to mention, he could get back to some pick n roll too, which was always his bread and butter. But had virtually been eliminated from our offense due to the fact it was the ONLY thing that stiff Chandler could do on offense.
like Larkin, so I'm not advocating trading him but it's not that uncommon in the NBA to hear "trade agreed to but can't be consummated until..." because of the different deadlines/rules they have. My guess is Phil isn't going out of his way to deal Shane Larkin, rather... they have G depth and he's seeing what is out there for what the Knicks have. I personally think Shumpert is overrated by most Knicks fans and that Smith has a very solid chance of bouncing back but Phil Jackson knows a lot more than I do about basketball.
Ilyasova is a perfect compliment to Melo and the triangle. He can adequately guard 4s at 6'10, rebounds well and his shooting provides spacing. Other than Marc Gasol, I don't think there's enough talent next summer to force a max offer. Ilyasova only makes 2mm more than JR.
was a FA after this year id be ok with it, but he is going to make 8 mill next year. Not sure why we want to trade for a guy coming off a bad year making 8 mill next year.
Whoever we trade id much rather just get back an expiring and a young guy or a pick. Other then backup SF there really is not a lot of minutes right now so id rather not add some guy who you are going to want to try to play 20+ minutes a night.
Id like to trade shumpert for a pick or a young player who is not ready for minutes right now but has upside (and is cost controlled), that would help balance out the roster. If you keep shump he has to play otherwise you are destroying what little value he has left, so if you move him for a guy not ready it would help greatly with the minute distribution.
affect our ability to offer a 2nd max (or close to max) next summer?
Ilyasova is scheduled to make 7.9 million in the 15 season, and has a team option of 8.4 for 2016.
Assuming the roster does not change at all, and the Knicks pick up Larkin and Hardaway's options for 2015, the Knicks would have 38,412,124 against the cap before adding Ilyasova's salary.
This year the cap is $63m. Everybody assumes the 2015 cap will be at around 70m.
depending on the team. You would just have to be able to structure the deal to be two separate trades if you wanted to combine him with another player. That said i think its more likely that we just end up making a one for one type trade since i dont see us trading 2 players off the roster right now.
actually always like Ilyasova (and I think he bounces back this year, he shot absolutely horrendously to begin the year for whatever the reason but played much, much better second half before getting hurt (50% from the field, 7 boards, still didn't shoot well from 3 like he normally does) but yeah I think he makes too much money coming off a bad year to commit to him like that. He's a good youngish player but he doesn't really have the upside to truly outplay his contract. Even if you really like him... the upside is what? 15 and 8? Nice player but I don't see Phil committing to something like that.
of helping this team next year as Illyasova does. And to be honest im not really that excited bout handing the two spot to Shumpert/THJR. Shump was brutal for a lot of last season and as much as id love it i dont think THJR is ready for 30+ minutes a night. But i guess that really is me just saying id rather trade shump then JR. Plus i think there is at least a 50% chance JR opts out, there will be a good amount of teams with capspace next year and i can easily see JR getting a better deal then the 1 year for 6 mill he has left.
where I saw it but apparently Tyler is far from a lock from making the roster. Maybe it's Phil trying to light a fire and/or doesn't view him as a good fit. I hope he makes it.
Looking to trade sanders halfway through the year? I'd rather have Sanders at 11 mil a year than going after Marc gasol for the max. He is a tremendous rim protector and rebounder, albeit he has off the court issues. Could do something like STAT for Sanders and Delfino
The Knicks have 14 guaranteed contracts without Tyler, and his contract becomes guaranteed on 9/15. If they want to ass a 3 without unloading a contract like Ellington's (doubtful), there just isn't any room for Tyler. He gets $100,000 on 9/15 if they don't guarantee, and Tyler would have to accept a D-league assignment until a slot opens up via trade or injury.
Even if they invite a 3 like Meta to camp on a trial basis, it's a problem for Tyler, because there isn't any slot for Meta if Tyler is already signed.
Isola had an article in today's NY Daily news that the Knicks Â
are bringing in Dahntay Jones for a work out. Says he also has one w/the Sixers but would prefer to be w/Knicks due to his friendship w/Melo. He's 33 & coming off an injury but plays excellent D. If they were to bring him in, it would certainly give credence to the rumor & more specifically,Shump.
Phil is not going to take anyone who is signed beyond this year Â
I don't see any reason to trade STAT. All the good FA's are off the market, so the motivation for cap relief isn't there anymore. And we aren't going to blow our cap space for next season, so who that we could fetch for STAT that is also on a one year deal would have higher upside than him? When healthy he is still a beast offensively. And in the triangle we could see him get even better with his elbow and post opportunities. Not to mention, he could get back to some pick n roll too, which was always his bread and butter. But had virtually been eliminated from our offense due to the fact it was the ONLY thing that stiff Chandler could do on offense.
Greg Monroe and Eric Bledsoe still out there not saying i want them but they are two good free agents at a crossroads in their career
I don't doubt that they're trying to clear the logjam at the guard position, but they had two teams interested in Shump at the deadline and they declined to move him...and it seems like they'd be better off letting Larkin establish some value before putting him back on the block.
when I get the alerts it just says "report" or "sources" but apparently it's from Ian Begley.
Working to clear the logjam in the backcourt, the Knicks are discussing their potential trade options with guards J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and Shane Larkin, a league source said Sunday.
“They’re working on trying to make a move in the backcourt,” the NBA source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking said Sunday.
regarding this topic in another thread. I don't understand why some people do that. Same with the new yankee thread. Theres a whole thread discussing the state of the yankees and it was still active. Adding another thread breaks up the 2 conversations and makes no sense. rant over.
RE: RE: Phil is not going to take anyone who is signed beyond this year Â
worthy in free agency next year so why waste our expiring contracts that could be coveted by teams looking to get rid of long term deals (let.g. Larry sanders)?
to move Shumpert last deadline means absolutely nothing given 1. Phil is here now, wasn't then 2. The roster is different now.
it was reported in multiple places that Phil was advising them at the deadline. And while the roster is different now the only real difference at the two guard position is Ellington.
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advising them doesn't mean everything he said was taken as the final decision. We also don't know what happened in the negotiations, for all we know the Knicks simply didn't get what they asked for, not "we don't want to trade him". Roster makeup doesn't have to mean adding more 2 guards. It can mean more impressed with THJr., less impressed with Shumpert, wanting a roster spot for X. I think it's pretty safe to suggest the Knicks have shopped Shumpert in the past and I believe they likely are willing to deal him.
Time to start your daily threads easier to follow. This way it's on page one and with all the Giant activity coming up its one stop shopping. Great job as usual.
They really should trade one of THJ, Smith and Shump Â
You can't split the minutes between them effectively at the 2 and none of them are 3's. They all deserve starter/second team minutes and they can't play well on the floor at the same time. Phil sees that. Between that obvious truth and the growing logjam in the roster, I really think there will be a deal before camp.
So it's Shumpert's MUCH-needed defense even if it is for only one year or JR's offensive dynamic, which comes along with his hard-partying/stupid on-the-court and off-the-court tendencies.
obviously like THjr. but hopefully that is just bluster. He's a nice young player but he's not a special talent and quite honestly he needs to improve his rebounding/defense quite a bit. I wouldn't deal him without it being a really nice return but "loving" him seems like a bit much.
I thought it was the other way around. lol
Whoever we trade id much rather just get back an expiring and a young guy or a pick. Other then backup SF there really is not a lot of minutes right now so id rather not add some guy who you are going to want to try to play 20+ minutes a night.
Id like to trade shumpert for a pick or a young player who is not ready for minutes right now but has upside (and is cost controlled), that would help balance out the roster. If you keep shump he has to play otherwise you are destroying what little value he has left, so if you move him for a guy not ready it would help greatly with the minute distribution.
Ilyasova is scheduled to make 7.9 million in the 15 season, and has a team option of 8.4 for 2016.
Assuming the roster does not change at all, and the Knicks pick up Larkin and Hardaway's options for 2015, the Knicks would have 38,412,124 against the cap before adding Ilyasova's salary.
This year the cap is $63m. Everybody assumes the 2015 cap will be at around 70m.
Even if they invite a 3 like Meta to camp on a trial basis, it's a problem for Tyler, because there isn't any slot for Meta if Tyler is already signed.
It's not going to happen.
Greg Monroe and Eric Bledsoe still out there not saying i want them but they are two good free agents at a crossroads in their career
It's not going to happen.
you would have said the same thing the day before the Calderon trade.
Working to clear the logjam in the backcourt, the Knicks are discussing their potential trade options with guards J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and Shane Larkin, a league source said Sunday.
“They’re working on trying to make a move in the backcourt,” the NBA source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking said Sunday.
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so, all these fantasy trades for guys with contracts that extend beyond 2014-5 are completely moot.
It's not going to happen.
you would have said the same thing the day before the Calderon trade.
Maybe. But the Knicks had a desperate need for a PG. None of their other needs are at that level.
it was reported in multiple places that Phil was advising them at the deadline. And while the roster is different now the only real difference at the two guard position is Ellington.
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so, all these fantasy trades for guys with contracts that extend beyond 2014-5 are completely moot.
It's not going to happen.
you would have said the same thing the day before the Calderon trade.
Maybe. But the Knicks had a desperate need for a PG. None of their other needs are at that level.
we have MAJOR needs at center and whatever forward position Melo doesn't play.
As well they should. He has the potential to be an absolutely lethal shooter