NFT: Knicks shopping Smith, Shumpert and Larkin

But what has he done this past season to show that it was the injury that held him back? He was worse this season than he was when he got back from surgery. That should speak volumes.

Also, JR Smith looked pretty good during the tail end of this season.

I do know that you need to be a really good 3Pt shooter. Not sure he can be that. Maybe he can. His lack of a handle would be ok if the knicks have someone else to bring the ball up the floor.

You don't need to be a 10 assist guy to succeed as a point in the triangle (just look at his coach) but you do need to see the floor and make the right pass. I just don't see that from Shump.

In my mind, you can't have him play the point. So they need to move Smith or Shump and my personal preference is Smith because I just can't imagine counting on the guy and he clears space for next year. And I also don't want to only have Smith or THJ to guard scoring 2 guards.

and set up the offense with an easy pass. He doesn't need to be a drive and dish sort of guy, he just needs to get the ball inside if he can and then spread the floor. It might not work if they can sag off of him.

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loser that should never have a big role on a good team. JR has much more talent than Shump, but it's not that simple.

Sure, it's not that simple when we're just talking about talent. But it's very simple when you gauge how productive each guy has been while on the Knicks. It's not close.

I just think Shumpert is still getting hometown bias. I remember last year there were fools who didn't want to give up Iman fucking Shumpert for Rondo.

need to move someone or risk hurting everyones value. There are not enough minutes to go around, even if you want to give the 3 SG's the 10-15 minutes of backup SF. Im on the record as thinking that shump's value is only going to go down, but that is 100% true if he doesnt play. I dont think either shump or JR have much value which is why they are both on the team. I expect them to both be on the team at the start of camp just because i dont think PHil will give them away. Not sure how it will work, but thats my guess.

was just so disappointing/bad last year. The only reason he wasnt the biggest disappointed was because Felton was on the team.

were all quite disappointing. Of course the only reason Bargnani isn't on that list is because everyone knows he sucks.

deserves to be on that list too. He was a major reason we sucked early in the year. He was much better after he was benched and decided to start caring.

with claiming Shumpert will have more value in the triangle is... why would Phil be shopping him if he felt that were the case?

in the triangle? If you are referrign to anything I've said, and I've never come close to saying that, all I have said is that his value will go up because last year was a clusterf*ck. I believe JR's value will go up too for the same reasons, but only one of their values CAN go up because there aren't enough minutes for the both of them.

I was mostly commenting on Beer Fridge's comment (no knock at all). Just saying if Phil thought he could be a solid triangle PG I really doubt he'd be shopping him.

You don't need to be a 10 assist guy to succeed as a point in the triangle (just look at his coach) but you do need to see the floor and make the right pass. I just don't see that from Shump.

there in the past, so it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially with the Triangle somewhat de-emphasizing the position. I still don't think it's a great idea.

And I'd say Phil probably has made offers where he'd part with Smith or Shump depending on who might want whom. I'd still rather he move Smith because who needs that BS.

I think Shump can handle the duties except for the whole space the floor out, but then again, how is that different as a 2 guard in the triangle? Shumps handle isn't terrible by any stretch, at least not in this sort of offense. His handle is well below par if he needs to beat his guy off the dribble, but that's not needed in this offense. He can bring the ball up and set up the offense in the triangle, but then we wouldn't have the minutes for Larkin which is no different than the glut at the 2.

argue he's below average overall with the ball in his hand for a 1/2. Passing + ballhanding+ decision making = below average vs. other 1/2's in my view.

but in the triangle where he doesn't need to create, he could pass for short spurts I guess.

Turner a Celtic

and even Teague look like whiffed opportunities.

And I've given up on Evan Turner being anything more than a stat stuffer. He is a minus on both ends of the floor. Glad he's with the Celtics.

we would not be in such a great cap situation next year and beyond. Unfortunately, while both talent upgrades, neither really fits what we need to be doing, IMO.

I don't believe Shump for Faried was ever an option.