Excited to see what Wilson can do in this new offense which will feature RB's in the passing game and in open space. He could still end up being our top back this season.
Because he simply isn't a starting RB in this league.
LOL! I'll wait to see if he can learn how to block before jumping to that conclusion. If he can improve his blocking skills and stay healthy, I think there's a very good chance he can be an above average starting rb in this league.
He has come back fully. No reason to think with HSS and the all the Giants medical staff clearing him he is not fully back. Our staff is overly cautious with necks.
I hope he's the starter by mid yr. He has the speed and playmaking ability to be a top 5 rb in this league. Jennings is all around very good but limited upside. Wilson has good hands too, caught a few 10+ yard passes, two of them against the Eagles. If the line can open up some holes, Wilson is going to rip off some Chris Johnson like runs this yr.
is the time from fusion. They say a fuse starts quickly withing the first 2 months, but doesn't fully harden until 6-12 months. Obviously each case is different but i'd be hesitant letting him start the season so soon. Allowing an extra 6 weeks could be huge for the finishing stages of the healing process; I'd highly consider PUPing him.
There's also the fact that he can't find a hole with a roadmap, and that he routinely loses yards when he chooses to do his Barry Sanders routine instead of simply taking the 2-3 yards the defense is giving him. You can do that if you're Barry Sanders. David Wilson is not Barry Sanders.
use a 1st rd. pick so they could sprinkle him into the offense. They badly want him to blossom into a play making beast (similar to Mccoy) and will give him every opportunity to do so Imo. Jennings is 29 and might give us 2 or 3 yrs max. They're not talking Wilson up much because of the health concerns but I think the coaches have big plans for him.
could be a weapon catching balls out of the backfield Â
Because he simply isn't a starting RB in this league.
I don't think he was even necessarily drafted to be a 25 per-game carry back. He can be wildly successful if we can get him the ball in space, on screens (LOL), etc.
And I think injuries hurt him more than most because he needed the time to develop his vision at this level. He simply can't consistently get away with the shit he did in college because his athleticism advantage isn't as great.
if this was the same exact team as it was when he was running. But with a new o-line that should be an improvement and a new OC, I expect big improvements for the offense overall.
Pocket Rocket. Now there's a term you seldom see anymore to Â
you can hate him all you want for being from VT, but give the man a fair shake atleast. He's shown plenty of flashes and then got dealt a really bad hand with a terrible injury.
He averaged 5 yards a clip 2 years ago. He was fine.
Sure, his vision isn't elite or even great but his physical ability is undeniable and I don't think he's incapable of becoming a smarter player.
I'd rather a guy have the physical ability and be taught than have one of those really smart, instinctive guys who just don't have the athleticism to be a next-level player.
I'm looking forward to see how McAdoo uses Wilson. I think he's gonna make plays.
He has come back fully. No reason to think with HSS and the all the Giants medical staff clearing him he is not fully back. Our staff is overly cautious with necks.
Yes, he did, but he was never the same player again either. #bigday
We use a rotation anyway (or at least have used some sort of rotation) so starting may not matter. I think many are way over-estimating what this guy will do.
between Jennings in FA and Williams in the draft, he doesn't have to go into the season expecting to carry the full load
Look forward to seeing McAdoo use him...I can see Jennings and Wilson both in the game, with Wilson motioning wide...giving us 2 RBs who can move and catch the ball
Now, Wilson needs to make sure he holds onto it too...obviously
But he can certainly develop the necessary traits to become a great back. He has the talents that can't be taught. Maybe this is his year to bust out. Tiki did in year 3. That was the 1999 season and by the end of that year tiki was an electric player out of the back field. He had close to 70 receptions. Everyone points to the 2000 season as tiki's breakout but really it was 99 where the light bulb seemed to flick on for him.
part of the criticism w/gilbride was not finding creative ways to get his playmakers the ball. perhaps mcadoo will get wilson and trindon holliday the ball like darren sproles and percy harvin are used
If he goes on to make a Reggie Bush/Darren Sproles type impact... Â
...Wilson will be well worth the #32 pick. The Giants have Jennings and Williams to bang heads with defensive tackles.
At the same stage of his career in 1999, Tiki Barber entered camp a year older than Wilson, a third-down back recovering from a bad case of the drops, fifth on the RB depth chart behind Gary Brown, Joe Montgomery, LeShon Johnson and Sean Bennett. David Wilson just turned 23. There are older rookies all over the NFL. (Our own Devon Kennard is just nine days younger.) I think it's a little early to make judgments.
100 of those 358 yards came against what was quite possibly Â
the worst defense in NFL history, the 2012 Saints.
In any case, if you want to wave 2012 as some kind of banner, be my guest. He had a couple of good games against that horrific Saints defense and the waving-the-white-flag Eagles. Yay.
He's a great return man, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with his play at running back.
But he can certainly develop the necessary traits to become a great back. He has the talents that can't be taught. Maybe this is his year to bust out. Tiki did in year 3. That was the 1999 season and by the end of that year tiki was an electric player out of the back field. He had close to 70 receptions. Everyone points to the 2000 season as tiki's breakout but really it was 99 where the light bulb seemed to flick on for him.
So, I disagree with the observation quite a bit and wonder what you were watching.
Deepest group of RBs we've had since I can remember.
Guess your memory sucks, since 5 years ago we had Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw. Right now we have a decent free agent, a guy with a fused spine who's accomplished virtually nothing in two NFL seasons, and a 4th round draft pick.
RE: he'll improve if McAdoo uses him where his abilities lie Â
If the hole isn't really there and he's looking at a 2-3 yard carry, he'll start reversing field and end up losing yardage. And since his field vision sucks, he can't find a crease when the hole isn't there as drawn up.
is better than BJ, AB, and Ward.....you're just not watching.
I think Jennings is a nice back, but both Wilson and our draft pick from BC are huge question marks.
I don't see Wilson being strong enough to be a between the tackles runner consistently. They are going to have to pick their spots with him.
And I'm with Greg on Wilson, they only thing he's shown is the ability to acclerate through a wide open hole, not block, and not hold onto the football.
is better than BJ, AB, and Ward.....you're just not watching.
I think Jennings is a nice back, but both Wilson and our draft pick from BC are huge question marks.
I don't see Wilson being strong enough to be a between the tackles runner consistently. They are going to have to pick their spots with him.
And I'm with Greg on Wilson, they only thing he's shown is the ability to acclerate through a wide open hole, not block, and not hold onto the football.
His issues between the tackles have nothing to do with his strength. He's built like a truck and he's a very strong dude.
How can you make judgments on Jennings and Williams Â
when they haven't played a game in a Giants uniform yet? You can't say they'll be great, and you can't say they'll stink. You just don't know yet.
And Ward and Bradshaw were both 7th-round picks who made the most of their skill sets when they just happened to play behind a terrific Giants o-line. If this rebuilt Giants o-line becomes a good one, Jennings and Williams will have a much better chance at being productive, obviously. And that's just another "if".
Here we have the most talented, speedy back with the most potential in a long time and because the o-line was pathetic and Gilbride's offense was unimaginative, people play the crusty hard bitten veteran scout. In his short career he's gotten off better runs than anyone we've had recently. Obviously I believe he will be great. A cautionary note: hope he's really ready to go full bore.
I hope he does great, I'm just saying from what I seen he looks more of a situational guy to me, which is fine. You needs guys like that on winning teams.
I hope he does great, I'm just saying from what I seen he looks more of a situational guy to me, which is fine. You needs guys like that on winning teams.
Height and weight really have nothing to do with it. The guy is a fitness freak and he's pure muscle. The idea that his strength is an issue just isn't true. He doesn't go down easily and sometimes even to a fault.. he's had the ball stripped from him while about 5 defensive players were trying to wrestle him to the ground because he wouldn't go down.
but lacks technique and know how in other areas. Not ready for a featured RB role by any standard right now. Hopefully he can be developed, but he has been here two years already and has had zero production for a 1st round pick.
Height and weight really have a lot to do with how much pounding you can take inside.
Yeah, he's looked strong, with about how many carries?
Let's see the guy play 16 games, get into the rotation, and see how he does.
It's been a small sample size, with lots of room for improvement.
Eh.. 5'8" Maurice Jones-Drew disagrees. He led the league with 343 carries just 2 seasons ago and averaged 100 yards a game. He's nearing 2,000 career attempts.
Wilson's build and ability to absorb contact isn't something I'd be concerned about. His blitz pickups and general football I.Q. are.
And to the guy who said he had poor vision on KR's and was constantly running into the backs of his own players.. wow. Just.. yeah. No.
Wilson's height is irrelevant. He is built very well and will continue to add muscle throughout his career. I honestly was not counting on Wilson to play this season but now with his clearance and the addition of Jennings and Andre Williams the running game should finish in the top 10 this season.
Run inside and out, block sufficiently. Only heard JR huff about one back - the kid who Buff got.
. Pugh,Prince, JPP, the safety? JR doesn't take a rb early unless he's special. I hear a kid who is an animal...wants it bad. I see marvelous talent and power.
. Tellin' ya guys this team has a chance to be very special.
happening in this thread right now. Saying Wilson "sucked the past 2 years" is a grossly incorrect statement. He was an extremely helpful complementary player his first year in the league from a ST perspective and showed flashes during preseason. His athleticism and balance were far and away better than anything we had on the team since a younger, spry Tiki.
Last year, he played in a few games before he got hurt. Games amidst a 0-6 start that saw our offensive line do their best interpretation of swiss cheese. He tries to stop and reverse fields and gets tackled for a loss? YES, where guys are making their first point of contact 4 yards deep behind the LOS that tends to happen.
Jennings is a bonafide starting NFL running back and showed that last season in place of Darren McFadden. Wilson was the unquestioned starter last season (for a reason) and has a chance to be used in a way that will complement his abilities. Williams is an unknown, but looks to be a smart and hungry young guy.
The Giants studied every snap the guy took in college and thought he was worth their first pick.
Anyone saying he sucks, please watch the 2012 highlight reel that fredgbrown linked.
Now, to be fair, he clearly hasn't lived up to expectations.
My opinion is that he came in cocky, had trouble picking up aspects of the playbook (blitz pick-up especially) and then had ball security issues that made him very unpopular with TC and really hurt his confidence.
As much as any position in football, RB is all about ability. Wilson has it in spades. IMO, he just needs to get to the point where he just plays instead of thinks. He's a smart kid - it should be by now.
A final thought (guess). Wilson had a neck issue so bad, it required fusion to repair. It is common for such injuries (herniations) to cause arm/hand weakness. That could have contributed to his fumbling problem.
RE: Wilson had problems with the playbook and he had two years Â
I'm not sold on the neck until he takes some shots.....
He has to hold onto the ball and he has to learn to protect Eli.....
If fully healed his neck should be stronger than yours or mine. I was always worried about him coming back too soon resulting in injury. As long as the fuse is beyond the 100% point, further injury risk is the same as anyone without that injury.
(Also hoping he's improved at blocking & ball security.)
Goes without saying, of course this is only good news if its truly safe.
Big year for Jennings/wilson combo
LOL! I'll wait to see if he can learn how to block before jumping to that conclusion. If he can improve his blocking skills and stay healthy, I think there's a very good chance he can be an above average starting rb in this league.
just doesn't seem like a guy who can run between the tackles--but then again neither did Tiki after two years
I don't think he was even necessarily drafted to be a 25 per-game carry back. He can be wildly successful if we can get him the ball in space, on screens (LOL), etc.
And I think injuries hurt him more than most because he needed the time to develop his vision at this level. He simply can't consistently get away with the shit he did in college because his athleticism advantage isn't as great.
Just my $0.02. Happy he's cleared.
Wilson cleared. Good News for us!!
Sure, his vision isn't elite or even great but his physical ability is undeniable and I don't think he's incapable of becoming a smarter player.
I'd rather a guy have the physical ability and be taught than have one of those really smart, instinctive guys who just don't have the athleticism to be a next-level player.
I'm looking forward to see how McAdoo uses Wilson. I think he's gonna make plays.
2 years ago he had a 5.0 ypc and 4 TDs in limited carries (71). Not too shabby for a rookie. And... he was dynamic when returning kickoffs too.
Tiki had only 3.8/3.2/4.2 ypc his first 3 years.
Yes, he did, but he was never the same player again either. #bigday
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Greg are you referring to 2012, where had had almost twice as many carries as 2013, averaged 5.0 yds/carry, and set records in the return game?
You seem to be rooting for this guy to fail.
Look forward to seeing McAdoo use him...I can see Jennings and Wilson both in the game, with Wilson motioning wide...giving us 2 RBs who can move and catch the ball
Now, Wilson needs to make sure he holds onto it too...obviously
At the same stage of his career in 1999, Tiki Barber entered camp a year older than Wilson, a third-down back recovering from a bad case of the drops, fifth on the RB depth chart behind Gary Brown, Joe Montgomery, LeShon Johnson and Sean Bennett. David Wilson just turned 23. There are older rookies all over the NFL. (Our own Devon Kennard is just nine days younger.) I think it's a little early to make judgments.
In any case, if you want to wave 2012 as some kind of banner, be my guest. He had a couple of good games against that horrific Saints defense and the waving-the-white-flag Eagles. Yay.
He's a great return man, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with his play at running back.
Exactly, maybe the screen pass can be used more in this offense.
Great news.
Deepest group of RBs we've had since I can remember.
Great news.
Deepest group of RBs we've had since I can remember.
Guess your memory sucks, since 5 years ago we had Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw. Right now we have a decent free agent, a guy with a fused spine who's accomplished virtually nothing in two NFL seasons, and a 4th round draft pick.
Pretty sure NO ONE ever thought he would be that type of back.
My memory does suck, but you are being way to negative about the possibilities of our RBs.
2008 had 2 guys over 22 (Peterson & Turner. 2007 had Portis leading with only 325
Just get him used creatively and good things can happen
Only on second or third downs.
Greg why don't you think he can be a between the tackles runner?
I think Jennings is a nice back, but both Wilson and our draft pick from BC are huge question marks.
I don't see Wilson being strong enough to be a between the tackles runner consistently. They are going to have to pick their spots with him.
And I'm with Greg on Wilson, they only thing he's shown is the ability to acclerate through a wide open hole, not block, and not hold onto the football.
Actually this is exactly what Barry Sanders did. Loss, no gain, loss, 20+ gain, etc.
Sure, but you're also probably reading the same things about him that were written about guys who remained average or below for their entire careers.
I think Jennings is a nice back, but both Wilson and our draft pick from BC are huge question marks.
I don't see Wilson being strong enough to be a between the tackles runner consistently. They are going to have to pick their spots with him.
And I'm with Greg on Wilson, they only thing he's shown is the ability to acclerate through a wide open hole, not block, and not hold onto the football.
His issues between the tackles have nothing to do with his strength. He's built like a truck and he's a very strong dude.
And Ward and Bradshaw were both 7th-round picks who made the most of their skill sets when they just happened to play behind a terrific Giants o-line. If this rebuilt Giants o-line becomes a good one, Jennings and Williams will have a much better chance at being productive, obviously. And that's just another "if".
Jennings may be built more like a truck, at 231.
I hope he does great, I'm just saying from what I seen he looks more of a situational guy to me, which is fine. You needs guys like that on winning teams.
This is the year Wilson either makes it in blue, or doesn't.
Jennings may be built more like a truck, at 231.
I hope he does great, I'm just saying from what I seen he looks more of a situational guy to me, which is fine. You needs guys like that on winning teams.
Height and weight really have nothing to do with it. The guy is a fitness freak and he's pure muscle. The idea that his strength is an issue just isn't true. He doesn't go down easily and sometimes even to a fault.. he's had the ball stripped from him while about 5 defensive players were trying to wrestle him to the ground because he wouldn't go down.
Fair enough. But your handle suggests you've been overly optimistic before.
and takin it to th house
Yeah, he's looked strong, with about how many carries?
Let's see the guy play 16 games, get into the rotation, and see how he does.
It's been a small sample size, with lots of room for improvement.
Didn't he set a Giants record with 1,500+ return yards that year?
Yeah, he's looked strong, with about how many carries?
Let's see the guy play 16 games, get into the rotation, and see how he does.
It's been a small sample size, with lots of room for improvement.
Eh.. 5'8" Maurice Jones-Drew disagrees. He led the league with 343 carries just 2 seasons ago and averaged 100 yards a game. He's nearing 2,000 career attempts.
Wilson's build and ability to absorb contact isn't something I'd be concerned about. His blitz pickups and general football I.Q. are.
And to the guy who said he had poor vision on KR's and was constantly running into the backs of his own players.. wow. Just.. yeah. No.
. Pugh,Prince, JPP, the safety? JR doesn't take a rb early unless he's special. I hear a kid who is an animal...wants it bad. I see marvelous talent and power.
. Tellin' ya guys this team has a chance to be very special.
Wilson 5'9", 205
McCoy - 5'11, 208
Barber - 5'10", 205
Sproules (a hard to find bug at 5'6", 190)
Wilson is a hard-running, tackle-breaking, between-the-tackles demon. Watch his Virginia Tech highlights ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM
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Do you actually watch the games?
Last year, he played in a few games before he got hurt. Games amidst a 0-6 start that saw our offensive line do their best interpretation of swiss cheese. He tries to stop and reverse fields and gets tackled for a loss? YES, where guys are making their first point of contact 4 yards deep behind the LOS that tends to happen.
Jennings is a bonafide starting NFL running back and showed that last season in place of Darren McFadden. Wilson was the unquestioned starter last season (for a reason) and has a chance to be used in a way that will complement his abilities. Williams is an unknown, but looks to be a smart and hungry young guy.
(Fill-in-the-name) pounds & softens the defense (like Jacobs used to do for Bradhaw); Wilson comes in for "Shock & Awe" time.
I'm not sold on the neck until he takes some shots.....
He has to hold onto the ball and he has to learn to protect Eli.....
Anyone saying he sucks, please watch the 2012 highlight reel that fredgbrown linked.
Now, to be fair, he clearly hasn't lived up to expectations.
My opinion is that he came in cocky, had trouble picking up aspects of the playbook (blitz pick-up especially) and then had ball security issues that made him very unpopular with TC and really hurt his confidence.
As much as any position in football, RB is all about ability. Wilson has it in spades. IMO, he just needs to get to the point where he just plays instead of thinks. He's a smart kid - it should be by now.
A final thought (guess). Wilson had a neck issue so bad, it required fusion to repair. It is common for such injuries (herniations) to cause arm/hand weakness. That could have contributed to his fumbling problem.
I'm not sold on the neck until he takes some shots.....
He has to hold onto the ball and he has to learn to protect Eli.....
If fully healed his neck should be stronger than yours or mine. I was always worried about him coming back too soon resulting in injury. As long as the fuse is beyond the 100% point, further injury risk is the same as anyone without that injury.