and alot of people would not have drafted Sam.. because most importantly he does not look to be able translate to the NFL talent wise... that is why most avoided him
as a potential distraction not worth dealing with. I seriously doubt he is alone in this regard. The difference is the majority that feel that way won't admit it.
Amazing that in 2014, a majority of coaches-and this is me speculating, but I think I'm right-would rather have a convict on their team than a gay player.
who has openly been against gay marriage but has no problem supporting people like Vick, Harrison, etc. He openly admitted that he doesn't agree with Jason Collins' "lifestyle" when he became the first openly gay NBA player and he also supported legislation aimed at making same sex marriage illegal. He's the epitome of a hypocrite and his comments ironically only serve to draw even more attention to Sam and his team.
because many teams projected he wasn't going to be the same pro player he was in college. There are plenty of examples like this.
But most signs and statements point to his integration into a locker room as the key determinant in his draft position being later than what many expected.
Integration into a locker room is important, but it's beyond idiotic how his situation has seemingly been handled.
It's amazing what can be rationalized in the name of religion.
and lets be real here. It's common knowledge that Dungy is a bit of a bible-thumper. There is a reason he wouldn't take Sam on his team but he has no problem with Michael Vick.
Both would be distractions....one just so happens to be gay. He can run the distraction line all he wants but it's pretty damn easy to see through
Wasn't it rumored that when Tony Dungy's son committed suicided, that the son might have been gay and felt difficulty accepting his identify within his father's world?
who makes a decision based on their faith is a religious nut job? You realize many of you are intolerant and hating on Dungy because he is expressing his belief. The public made this Michael Sam issue into a media circus. I would not want the media hounding the team.
on Inside the NFL several years ago and asked about how he'd handle a gay player. Dungy said something to the effect of "I'd try to talk to him about it." It was said in a religious context, meaning he was going to try to "save" him, I suppose. I was surprised he didn't get in any hot water for the comment, but this was when this was just being introduced as a sports subject.
who makes a decision based on their faith is a religious nut job? You realize many of you are intolerant and hating on Dungy because he is expressing his belief. The public made this Michael Sam issue into a media circus. I would not want the media hounding the team.
Being intolerant of someone being intolerant is a really cute stance to mention. At that point, you just back away from the discussion...
who makes a decision based on their faith is a religious nut job? You realize many of you are intolerant and hating on Dungy because he is expressing his belief. The public made this Michael Sam issue into a media circus. I would not want the media hounding the team.
Yeah. Better that NFL teams are allowed to operate in the total media vacuum in which they used to. No spotlight. No questions. No pressure. Why can't it be like it used to be?? Before that one guy came along and suddenly the Media got all interested.
How did Tony Dungy become this all knowing NFL Oracle? Bill Belichik routintely ran circles around this guy. He had Peyton Manning and a historic offense in its prime and made one super bowl - barely. Guy is vastly overrated as a coach. Well liked around the league - maybe he is a nice guy or maybe he is a fraud - i just have no idea how his stature is so revered in the NFL he was decent head coach who routinely couldnt win the big game.
Unfortunately, we have a situation where the market dictates that certain intolerance is acceptable (like drafting Sam later because of something over which he has no control), but that's the rub.
Sam is homosexual, and it's not something he can control or be "cured" of (not that should enter any legitimate discussion; people who advocate this have an IQ I don't want being replicated anytime soon).
How that should be equated to actions that take conscious choice (such as killing a dog) is beyond me. That we view the two with equivalence is disturbing.
We should be so much more critical about the problems integrating into a locker room where people made a choice to hurt themselves or others, rather than if a person likes the same sex.
And, quite frankly, hopefully in 20 years we can view the dinosaurs Â
Unfortunately, we have a situation where the market dictates that certain intolerance is acceptable (like drafting Sam later because of something over which he has no control), but that's the rub.
Sam is homosexual, and it's not something he can control or be "cured" of (not that should enter any legitimate discussion; people who advocate this have an IQ I don't want being replicated anytime soon).
How that should be equated to actions that take conscious choice (such as killing a dog) is beyond me. That we view the two with equivalence is disturbing.
We should be so much more critical about the problems integrating into a locker room where people made a choice to hurt themselves or others, rather than if a person likes the same sex.
kicker, if I read the argument correctly, posters were saying that Dungy would be OK with a dog torturer yet have a problem with someone who didn't seem to have any shortcomings "except that he's gay". Dungy is OK with the hoopla surrounding a Michael Vick and his travails, and yet invented travails that don't necessarily exist.
Think T'eo? He had his drama that had nothing to do with football and then after he was drafted, it seemed that we didn't hear much more about it. You just answer dopey questions with, "I'm here to talk about football" a few times and any Media drama ceases.
a " religious nut job" because their beliefs are not something that you agree with, is intolerant. "I am right, you are wrong because you are a nut job!" Really? Having different opinions used to be acceptable in this country. Doesn't seem to be that way anymore. If people disagree then they must be haters, and nut jobs.
RE: And, quite frankly, hopefully in 20 years we can view the dinosaurs Â
a " religious nut job" because their beliefs are not something that you agree with, is intolerant. "I am right, you are wrong because you are a nut job!" Really? Having different opinions used to be acceptable in this country. Doesn't seem to be that way anymore. If people disagree then they must be haters, and nut jobs.
The belief itself is ignorant and the criticisms of it are completely warranted.
RE: RE: And, quite frankly, hopefully in 20 years we can view the dinosaurs Â
that think that something not within a person's choice set (again, sexual orientation) is some scarlet letter as aberrations.
Being black used to be something that could pull apart a locker room, and, somehow, we've managed to survive...
Easy fella...I didn't say anything about integration here. Ick!
Randy,
I apologize. My previous posts were a bit carelessly worded.
I'm not worried about people who say that character risks exist in all players (like you).
I'm worried about the people who think that, because it's acceptable that we don't accept some character risks (like Vick), we don't need to accept homosexuals either, because they are a "risk" for the locker room.
People like to site Vick but Vick said he was sorry remorseful and changed his ways. He has not been in trouble since. So as a christian Dungy believe he was remorseful and to help him on his road to recovery.
How does him being against Sam and gays make him a hypocrite. As for the circus be honest there is more than just the media when it comes to Adams you have a locker room to oversee as well. dog fighting and homosexuality will have totally different weight in the locker-room.
Now if Adams had said he WAS gay and changed saw the light or whatever and THEN Dungy still said no and it was because of his past sexuality being a sin then hypocrite could be applied.
a " religious nut job" because their beliefs are not something that you agree with, is intolerant. "I am right, you are wrong because you are a nut job!" Really? Having different opinions used to be acceptable in this country. Doesn't seem to be that way anymore. If people disagree then they must be haters, and nut jobs.
Yeah. Different opinions used to be no problem here. I mean, the Civil War…women's suffrage…the Civil Rights movement…we're a country built on quietly letting ignorant people have their way. Man, the good old days.
Nauseating is an understatement. He's the worst.
Electrocute all the dogs you want, just don't go kissing any boys, OK?
https://www.facebook.com/TonyDungy/posts/10151566031658326 - ( New Window )
But most signs and statements point to his integration into a locker room as the key determinant in his draft position being later than what many expected.
Integration into a locker room is important, but it's beyond idiotic how his situation has seemingly been handled.
It's amazing what can be rationalized in the name of religion.
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He seems to be a big fan of Jackie Robinson's story
Wow good pull. I guess it's only important to him if his own minority group is being discriminated against
Both would be distractions....one just so happens to be gay. He can run the distraction line all he wants but it's pretty damn easy to see through
If Sam had Clowney like talent, Dungy would've dealt with the distraction. Nothing earth shattering here.
If Spencer Paysinger tried to pull what LT used to, he would be cut immediately. It's all risk/reward.
The tragedy of all this is people not truly understanding what they read when they think they are learning something religious.
If Sam had Clowney like talent, Dungy would've dealt with the distraction. Nothing earth shattering here.
If Spencer Paysinger tried to pull what LT used to, he would be cut immediately. It's all risk/reward.
"Viewpoints?" I don't even know what that means. The fact that he's gay is a viewpoint?
And Dungy hasn't made any comments regarding Sam's talent - only what he calls his lifestyle.
Meanwhile players and their "lifestyles" of crime are perfectly acceptable to Dungy.
All he said was that he's "not saying Sam shouldn't have a CHANCE to play" not that he's good enough.
Yeah. Better that NFL teams are allowed to operate in the total media vacuum in which they used to. No spotlight. No questions. No pressure. Why can't it be like it used to be?? Before that one guy came along and suddenly the Media got all interested.
Apparently many of the people who know him personally like and respect him.
Unfortunately, we have a situation where the market dictates that certain intolerance is acceptable (like drafting Sam later because of something over which he has no control), but that's the rub.
Sam is homosexual, and it's not something he can control or be "cured" of (not that should enter any legitimate discussion; people who advocate this have an IQ I don't want being replicated anytime soon).
How that should be equated to actions that take conscious choice (such as killing a dog) is beyond me. That we view the two with equivalence is disturbing.
We should be so much more critical about the problems integrating into a locker room where people made a choice to hurt themselves or others, rather than if a person likes the same sex.
Being black used to be something that could pull apart a locker room, and, somehow, we've managed to survive...
Unfortunately, we have a situation where the market dictates that certain intolerance is acceptable (like drafting Sam later because of something over which he has no control), but that's the rub.
Sam is homosexual, and it's not something he can control or be "cured" of (not that should enter any legitimate discussion; people who advocate this have an IQ I don't want being replicated anytime soon).
How that should be equated to actions that take conscious choice (such as killing a dog) is beyond me. That we view the two with equivalence is disturbing.
We should be so much more critical about the problems integrating into a locker room where people made a choice to hurt themselves or others, rather than if a person likes the same sex.
Think T'eo? He had his drama that had nothing to do with football and then after he was drafted, it seemed that we didn't hear much more about it. You just answer dopey questions with, "I'm here to talk about football" a few times and any Media drama ceases.
Any takers?
Being black used to be something that could pull apart a locker room, and, somehow, we've managed to survive...
The belief itself is ignorant and the criticisms of it are completely warranted.
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that think that something not within a person's choice set (again, sexual orientation) is some scarlet letter as aberrations.
Being black used to be something that could pull apart a locker room, and, somehow, we've managed to survive...
Easy fella...I didn't say anything about integration here. Ick!
Randy,
I apologize. My previous posts were a bit carelessly worded.
I'm not worried about people who say that character risks exist in all players (like you).
I'm worried about the people who think that, because it's acceptable that we don't accept some character risks (like Vick), we don't need to accept homosexuals either, because they are a "risk" for the locker room.
How does him being against Sam and gays make him a hypocrite. As for the circus be honest there is more than just the media when it comes to Adams you have a locker room to oversee as well. dog fighting and homosexuality will have totally different weight in the locker-room.
Now if Adams had said he WAS gay and changed saw the light or whatever and THEN Dungy still said no and it was because of his past sexuality being a sin then hypocrite could be applied.
Yeah. Different opinions used to be no problem here. I mean, the Civil War…women's suffrage…the Civil Rights movement…we're a country built on quietly letting ignorant people have their way. Man, the good old days.