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NFT: What pay services related to sports do you rely on?

glowrider : 7/21/2014 5:44 pm
There are TONS of sites that cater to sports aficionados looking for all sorts of information.

Local team coverage/In-depth coverage. Betting guides. Fantasy guides. Draft guides. It's endless...

What is out there, BBI? What do you rely on to fill your addiction? It's a huge industry, so what's useful to you? (Especially interested in the bettors out there - do people still pay for services? I hear it on the radio all the time and I thought that time had come and gone)

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I used to subscribe to ESPN Insider to get coverage on the Giants, but I can go to the websites of the local papers just as well as they can, and the Corner fills me in just as fast as Twitter ever could, so that's worth the donation.
Nothing  
Wuphat : 7/21/2014 5:46 pm : link
I watch games and read stuff here.

I found, years ago, that the less I watch, read, and listen to sports coverage outside of game coverage the more I enjoy the sports.

I agree 100% with you.  
glowrider : 7/21/2014 5:57 pm : link
Less I invest, emotionally or time wise, the less it fucks with my week. Doesn't make the enjoyment any less, however.
I pay  
pjcas18 : 7/21/2014 6:15 pm : link
for DirecTV Sunday ticket (though this year and many years it's free), so pay is relative. But that is essential or I can't watch all the games.

And I pay $35 a year for Pro Football Focus, because I love the participation stats, and I haven't found anywhere else that has them.

I can't really explain why. When a game ends I want to know who played and how many snaps.

I don't buy any magazines, or any other insider subscriptions
Actually, yeah  
Wuphat : 7/21/2014 6:19 pm : link
I do pay for Sunday Ticket, but that's to watch the games.
Sunday Ticket and Extra Innings  
Peter in Atlanta : 7/21/2014 6:37 pm : link
That's it.
Don't forget whatever you're gonna pay Eric this month  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/21/2014 7:25 pm : link
:-)
MLB.TV, the greatest streaming sports service on the planet  
WeatherMan : 7/21/2014 7:58 pm : link
along with an annual donation to BBI.
C'mon, there's gotta be some guys on this board  
glowrider : 7/21/2014 8:09 pm : link
That call in to one of these sports hotlines. They wouldn't exist if there weren't customers.

And fantasy __________! Billion dollar industries, them all.

Where in the technological revolution are we right now? It feels like a middle beginning point.
None.  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 8:26 pm : link
I don't subscribe to any services, Sunday Ticket, etc. I was always happy watching the Giants and whatever other games were televised each week and reading the papers and free sites. Now, with 3 kids, it's difficult often to watch more than the Giants games. At that, I have to watch them on DVR often, which I am fine with. I avoid the media, including BBI, until I finish watching on Sunday night.
gamerewind.nfl.com  
mattlawson : 7/21/2014 9:41 pm : link
and preseason live. have paid for PFF in the past.
Red Zone  
Dr Pepper : 7/21/2014 9:58 pm : link
And a fantasy draft kit app for my iPad like 10$ a year
Anyone get coaches tape or all-22 tape  
glowrider : 7/22/2014 1:35 am : link
From one of the providers? I think the nfl has made that available.
RE: C'mon, there's gotta be some guys on this board  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2014 8:05 am : link
In comment 11775473 glowrider said:
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That call in to one of these sports hotlines. They wouldn't exist if there weren't customers.

And fantasy __________! Billion dollar industries, them all.

Where in the technological revolution are we right now? It feels like a middle beginning point.


Most fantasy sports sites are free. In college and after I'd call the gambling lines regularly and pay for picks/recommendations. My cousin, who lives in Vegas (not that that matters though) worked at one and confirmed what most of us know, the pick they give you is pretty random and geared toward getting half winners every week.

I have a Sabre Edge membership at The Sabre, a UVA site  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2014 9:48 am : link
Because we're not big-time and we don't get a ton of media coverage, it's worth it to me to get all the recruiting rumors and such. Other than that, nothing.
RE: RE: C'mon, there's gotta be some guys on this board  
glowrider : 7/22/2014 5:16 pm : link
In comment 11775704 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 11775473 glowrider said:


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That call in to one of these sports hotlines. They wouldn't exist if there weren't customers.

And fantasy __________! Billion dollar industries, them all.

Where in the technological revolution are we right now? It feels like a middle beginning point.



Most fantasy sports sites are free. In college and after I'd call the gambling lines regularly and pay for picks/recommendations. My cousin, who lives in Vegas (not that that matters though) worked at one and confirmed what most of us know, the pick they give you is pretty random and geared toward getting half winners every week.


I know odds makers try to balance it out, but are you saying that the pay services also aim for 50%?

This is very fascinating to me. Thanks
RE: RE: RE: C'mon, there's gotta be some guys on this board  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2014 5:23 pm : link
In comment 11776904 glowrider said:
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In comment 11775473 glowrider said:


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That call in to one of these sports hotlines. They wouldn't exist if there weren't customers.

And fantasy __________! Billion dollar industries, them all.

Where in the technological revolution are we right now? It feels like a middle beginning point.



Most fantasy sports sites are free. In college and after I'd call the gambling lines regularly and pay for picks/recommendations. My cousin, who lives in Vegas (not that that matters though) worked at one and confirmed what most of us know, the pick they give you is pretty random and geared toward getting half winners every week.




I know odds makers try to balance it out, but are you saying that the pay services also aim for 50%?

This is very fascinating to me. Thanks


Yes, many of them do. That way half the people win, and the losers, sometimes they'll say, guaranteed, and their guarantee is paid in the form of a credit.

not a refund.

AKA, they're scams.
Scams I've always believed...and I know how they'll trap you  
glowrider : 7/22/2014 5:46 pm : link
But this is still big business today. Checking around you can find ludicrous services that cost hundreds and thousands of dollars for a coin flip...
RE: MLB.TV, the greatest streaming sports service on the planet  
RasputinPrime : 7/22/2014 5:54 pm : link
In comment 11775465 WeatherMan said:
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along with an annual donation to BBI.


Yep. Although less so this year with the nauseating commercials that loop and play endlessly. In particular, i hate that I cannot skip through these commercials once they start their loop. It has made watching games after the fact far less enjoyable.
RE: Scams I've always believed...and I know how they'll trap you  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2014 6:00 pm : link
In comment 11776939 glowrider said:
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But this is still big business today. Checking around you can find ludicrous services that cost hundreds and thousands of dollars for a coin flip...


Don't you need to ask yourself if these services are so good at picking winners, why not gamble themselves?

Wouldn't that be more lucrative than selling their picks?
that reply  
RasputinPrime : 7/22/2014 6:02 pm : link
didn't grab the right portion of the post i was replying to.

BETA TEST
I'm a sports junkie as much as the next guy.  
kmed : 7/22/2014 6:06 pm : link
Fantasy games, all day sports talk, tv, interwebs. I don't pay a dime. There is nothing that I feel is worthy of my money.

Fantasy? I can get everything I need for free and I rely on my own opinions more than someone elses.

Sports talk? Millions of free message boards.

TV? I rely on Directv giving me my sports for free(sunday ticket), but I guess I indirectly pay for it because they make so much money off of me.

Interwebs? I would never pay for an insider service because I don't see how it warrants it. Everything is shared and public info these days.
RE: RE: Scams I've always believed...and I know how they'll trap you  
glowrider : 7/22/2014 6:42 pm : link
In comment 11776954 pjcas18 said:
[Don't you need to ask yourself if these services are so good at picking winners, why not gamble themselves?

Wouldn't that be more lucrative than selling their picks? [/quote]

Would depend on the returns, I guess. Gonna follow up this post in a second below.
RE: I'm a sports junkie as much as the next guy.  
glowrider : 7/22/2014 6:45 pm : link
In comment 11776960 kmed said:
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Fantasy games, all day sports talk, tv, interwebs. I don't pay a dime. There is nothing that I feel is worthy of my money.

Fantasy? I can get everything I need for free and I rely on my own opinions more than someone elses.

Sports talk? Millions of free message boards.

TV? I rely on Directv giving me my sports for free(sunday ticket), but I guess I indirectly pay for it because they make so much money off of me.

Interwebs? I would never pay for an insider service because I don't see how it warrants it. Everything is shared and public info these days.


THIS. This is where we are today yet still these pay services exist.

More information is available about sports teams and athletes than public corporations. More transparent to a degree as well. One would think with the right methodology betting on sports would be safer than taking a flier in the market. I know Mark Cuban launched a sports betting hedge fund with limited success about 8-10 yrs ago.
Perhaps that's the answer  
glowrider : 7/22/2014 6:50 pm : link
The barrier to information. If you know how to get it, you'd never pay for it. If you can't get it, you'd pay for it.

Democratization of information, right?
The way things have changed though,  
kmed : 7/23/2014 11:31 am : link
there are ways for these people to make significant money without charging a fee.
Redzone for $5 and a yearly $12 purchase of Football Outsiders Almanac  
Kyle : 7/23/2014 11:35 am : link
The amount of content you get for $12 is insane.
RE: The way things have changed though,  
glowrider : 7/23/2014 2:21 pm : link
In comment 11777813 kmed said:
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there are ways for these people to make significant money without charging a fee.


Are you referencing advertising and affiliate marketing programs?
Or a cut of a win and nothing on a loss?  
glowrider : 7/23/2014 2:21 pm : link
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