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Tyree to replace Way as director of player development

Defenderdawg : 7/22/2014 9:35 am
@ConorTOrr: The #Giants hire David Tyree to replace Charles Way as director of player development. Great hire.
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Great news  
Mr. Nickels : 7/22/2014 11:08 am : link
Love Tyree. Super Bow Hero. Great person.
Keep in mind the Giants have had gay players;  
81_Great_Dane : 7/22/2014 11:19 am : link
Phil Simms said in a radio interview I heard that he had a gay teammate, they all knew, it wasn't a big deal. I'm sure he wasn't the first or the last. So it's not like "Well, if this ever comes up, they'll deal with it then." If they hired an outspoken anti-Semite, that'd be weird for Geoff Schwartz. If they hired an outspoken racist, that'd be weird for, well, probably everybody. So they hired an outspoken homophobe. It's probably gonna be weird.

Maybe he'll learn to be more open minded, I dunno.
It's a hire  
Deej : 7/22/2014 11:35 am : link
it's a name. No idea if it is a good or bad hire. I mean, it's not like Tyree developed all that much as a pro, so I'm not entirely convinced he knows what to do here. He came in as a ST demon and #4/5 WR and left that way. Maybe I dont understand the job though.
RE: RE: Great choice...  
okiegiant : 7/22/2014 11:42 am : link
In comment 11775831 Shecky said:
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Solid man on and off the field.


You sure about that?


Yip, because he is a solid man who takes care of his responsibilities. He has some views most of us dont agree with(myself included)but last time I checked it was okay to have different opinions.
When the opinion is that two people of the same sex  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2014 11:45 am : link
getting married would be the undoing of the country, that's kind of not okay.

Otherwise, yes, different opinions are generally okay.
I imagine  
Jay in Toronto : 7/22/2014 11:48 am : link
his first attempt at proselytizing -- homophobic or whatever, he will be out.

How long ago were his comments?

I was initially surprised but it looks like he was being groomed for this job. I was impressed when he was on Ellen Degeneris (which doesn't fit the MO).

A silver lining is that Way helped out with the RBs, so he will probably help with STs, which should please all the Quinn 'fans'.
RE: Has it gotten that bad that if you believe in traditional  
newmike2 : 7/22/2014 11:53 am : link
In comment 11775845 giant24 said:
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marriage between a man and a woman you should be disqualified from a job?


Yes.
Don't understand  
old man : 7/22/2014 11:58 am : link
the knock on Tyree's personal views interfering with his job as Dir. of Player Development.
IF the p/r-sensitive Giants thought it was an issue, they would not have made the move.And if DT thought his opinions would interfere with his ability to do the job, I believe his character would not have had him even apply for the job.
Also, if they wanted to give him a thank-you-for-The Catch-job, they would have created something else.
He is entitled to hi opinions, prejudices etc  
Jay in Toronto : 7/22/2014 12:03 pm : link
it's when he brings them to the job, it could be an issue -- not just from a PR point of view but in terms of performance. The role is a key one in player communication so the person needs to be approachable and safe.
RE: When the opinion is that two people of the same sex  
M in CT : 7/22/2014 12:05 pm : link
In comment 11776073 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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getting married would be the undoing of the country, that's kind of not okay.

Otherwise, yes, different opinions are generally okay.


ha, this. sad that it has to be said, TTH, but thanks for doing it.
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mattlawson : 7/22/2014 1:40 pm : link
"#Giants on Tyree's prior comments on gay marriage: He was expressing his personal view, and that is not the view of the Giants organization."
what exactly does this position do?  
Blue Baller : 7/22/2014 1:45 pm : link
I always assumed it was to help the players with the off the field stuff but that is just a guess

I don't know how much his opinions on gay marriage...  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2014 2:19 pm : link
have to do with player development. Sportswriters would do well to acknowledge that the players they cover, and many of the fans they're writing for, in many cases do not uniformly share their points of view, and in many instances their views are about as nuanced as a cardboard box. His views are not mine but this is one area on which the views of a large swath of the population are in flux and it would be nice if we could prod change instead of instantly dubbing someone an irredeemable bigot and deciding he ought never work again.
A big part  
Metnut : 7/22/2014 2:22 pm : link
of Tyree's role is working with players with off the field issues. You can imagine that some might not be happy with the message the Giants are sending by putting a presumed homophone in such a position to be mentoring younger players.

Like other posters have said, I think the Giants likely spoke to Tyree about this, and I doubt it'll have any affect on his new role with the team. It's still a (small) PR hit though.
Yeah.  
Exit 172 : 7/22/2014 2:25 pm : link
There must be a good reason they're putting this homophone on their staff.
RE: Yeah.  
Metnut : 7/22/2014 2:37 pm : link
In comment 11776496 Exit 172 said:
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There must be a good reason they're putting this homophone on their staff.


Sorry, at work and my phone autocorrected!
I would totally demand  
Randy in CT : 7/22/2014 2:52 pm : link
a straight phone.
As on the Dungy thread  
Blackbeard : 7/22/2014 3:14 pm : link
the homophiles and religophobes are out in force.

The Intolerant Left at work.

They are all for free everything unless you disagree with their agenda. Then you had better shut up or they will go after you and your job.
Well, now it's a party  
Mad Mike : 7/22/2014 3:15 pm : link
*
RE: As on the Dungy thread  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2014 3:17 pm : link
In comment 11776653 Blackbeard said:
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the homophiles and religophobes are out in force.

The Intolerant Left at work.

They are all for free everything unless you disagree with their agenda. Then you had better shut up or they will go after you and your job.


Nothing I said about prodding applies to the above. Fire away.
Homophile.  
Cam in MO : 7/22/2014 3:22 pm : link
I like it.

He's absolutely entitled to work. His comments and beliefs, no matter  
Riggies : 7/22/2014 3:53 pm : link
how foolish, shouldn't prevent him from making a living.

It's an absolute fair question as to whether his beliefs make him a good candidate for this specific position that he's been hired for though.

What happens if there's a gay player that's having off the field issues that would normally fall under Tyree's watch, require his [attempted] counsel? Is that player going to feel comfortable trusting a man who openly thinks his identity could cause the entire country to fall into irreparable disarray?
Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 7/22/2014 3:54 pm : link
they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.
*prevent him from making a living doing something, somewhere.  
Riggies : 7/22/2014 3:55 pm : link
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RE: Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
Randy in CT : 7/22/2014 3:57 pm : link
In comment 11776745 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:
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they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.
Bullshit. Tyree said something not taught in any church short of the Westboro lunatics who don't have a real church. Bringing homophobia to that level should not be taken lightly.
I like to think I'm intolerant of intolerance.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2014 3:57 pm : link
Homophile? Huh.
Metnut -  
Exit 172 : 7/22/2014 3:59 pm : link
I'll forgive you if you can find the homophones in that post of mine.
RE: Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
Riggies : 7/22/2014 4:01 pm : link
In comment 11776745 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:
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they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.


The NFL shouldn't be having games, players shouldn't be working, on Sundays according to the bible's take on the Sabbath too.

Why are you a fan of such a heathen sport, Joe?
RE: RE: Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2014 4:02 pm : link
In comment 11776748 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 11776745 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:


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they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.

Bullshit. Tyree said something not taught in any church short of the Westboro lunatics who don't have a real church. Bringing homophobia to that level should not be taken lightly.


The moral degradation bit is not as uncommon as you think.
Does Tyree follow  
RB^2 : 7/22/2014 4:04 pm : link
the old gods or the new?
RE: RE: RE: Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
Randy in CT : 7/22/2014 4:04 pm : link
In comment 11776770 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 11776745 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:


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they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.

Bullshit. Tyree said something not taught in any church short of the Westboro lunatics who don't have a real church. Bringing homophobia to that level should not be taken lightly.



The moral degradation bit is not as uncommon as you think.
"Anarchy"? Cats playing with dogs?
The hell in a handbasket bit...  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2014 4:05 pm : link
which is of course true, but not because two dudes want to marry.
RB^2 -  
Exit 172 : 7/22/2014 4:06 pm : link
Probably not the god of tits and wine.
RE: The hell in a handbasket bit...  
Randy in CT : 7/22/2014 4:08 pm : link
In comment 11776776 Dunedin81 said:
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which is of course true, but not because two dudes want to marry.
Funny that nothing will actually change for straight people--well, so little it won't be noticeable.
RE: RE: Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 7/22/2014 4:09 pm : link
In comment 11776748 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 11776745 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:


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they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.

Bullshit. Tyree said something not taught in any church short of the Westboro lunatics who don't have a real church. Bringing homophobia to that level should not be taken lightly.


From the Daily news:

In his role, Tyree will provide guidance to younger players, and "aid them in continuing education, their development as young men," Giants coach Tom Coughlin said.
The pick of Tyree to fill the position held by Charles Way - who left the Giants to head the NFL's Player Engagement Department - raised eyebrows considering Tyree once said he would trade his Super Bowl championship in order to stop gay marriage.
"Honestly, I probably would," Tyree said in 2011. "Nothing means more to me than that my God would be honored. Being the fact that I firmly believe that God created and ordained marriage between a man and a woman, I believe that that's something that should be fought for at all costs.
"So I'll lay down everything I am to preserve the honor and integrity of the God that I serve."


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/david-tyree-returns-ny-giants-director-player-development-article-1.1876104#ixzz38EJcZKL0
RE: Does Tyree follow  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 7/22/2014 4:11 pm : link
In comment 11776772 RB^2 said:
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the old gods or the new?


He follows the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
RE: RE: The hell in a handbasket bit...  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2014 4:12 pm : link
In comment 11776782 Randy in CT said:
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which is of course true, but not because two dudes want to marry.

Funny that nothing will actually change for straight people--well, so little it won't be noticeable.


With the divorce rate somewhere in the 99.4% range, the idea that the union two people who actually want to be married (and, presumably, stay married) are going to destroy the institution makes me chuckle.
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RB^2 : 7/22/2014 4:13 pm : link
In comment 11776791 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:
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the old gods or the new?



He follows the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, new..... ish?
Maybe Tyree could give his Superbowl win  
RB^2 : 7/22/2014 4:14 pm : link
to the Eagles. It's the only way they'll ever get one. They should probably explore this idea.
RE: RE: RE: The hell in a handbasket bit...  
Randy in CT : 7/22/2014 4:15 pm : link
In comment 11776794 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 11776776 Dunedin81 said:


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which is of course true, but not because two dudes want to marry.

Funny that nothing will actually change for straight people--well, so little it won't be noticeable.



With the divorce rate somewhere in the 99.4% range, the idea that the union two people who actually want to be married (and, presumably, stay married) are going to destroy the institution makes me chuckle.
One of my buddies who is gay (who is now making news because his partner who died a few years back--his company (big pharma--tons of dough) didn't offer benefits to gay partners) well, they were together for 20 years and that doesn't seem to be the exception with the folks I know. BTW, the friend who died was a big Giants fan too.
Cool. At least Joe gets banned  
kickerpa16 : 7/22/2014 4:41 pm : link
again.
Randy  
Dunedin81 : 7/22/2014 4:47 pm : link
I'm not sure there is anything particularly different, I'd just suppose (maybe incorrectly) that you eliminate the bulk of those who marry because of oops or because it's what they think they're supposed to do at a given point in their lives. Conversely you may have less (read: kids or, cynically, the fear of child support) bonding them together when the going gets tough. Either way it certainly will not doom marriage.
RE: Tyree's (and Charles Way's) views are not their own  
BrettNYG10 : 7/22/2014 4:53 pm : link
In comment 11776745 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:
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they are God's view. It is what is written in the Bible. Tyree has decided to make a commitment to following God's not man's ideas of what is wrong or right.

Giants also seem to think he is a good role model for players hence the position he has been given.

Charles did an amazing job helping players find meaning and purpose and Tyree will likely do the same.


Fuck you Jersey Joe.
This JerseyJoe/BBWC  
JB in BB : 7/22/2014 5:00 pm : link
character is horrible. Preaching and proselytizing on every thread. I don't post much at all but enough is enough already, he is clearly ruining multiple threads. There is no need for any of that.
It was only gonna be a matter of time before he couldn't help  
Wuphat : 7/22/2014 5:22 pm : link
himself but to begin the preaching again.
We didn't even get a fibromyalgia update.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2014 5:31 pm : link
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I wont lose sleep over it but  
natefit : 7/22/2014 9:12 pm : link
this hire kinda bothers me.
'Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.'  
schabadoo : 7/22/2014 9:28 pm : link
Exodus 31:14

reading this thread  
islander1 : 7/23/2014 7:31 am : link
just reminds me of what I havent' missed by not visiting the past few months.

*sigh*
More misunderstanding of what  
BigBlueBuff : 7/23/2014 9:51 am : link
Freedom of Speech means from BBI's bigots and homophobes.

Well done.
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