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recent vintage Giants stars sure have short shelf lives

Greg from LI : 7/22/2014 9:44 am
Chris Snee was pretty much finished by his eighth season.

Justin Tuck was never the same after his sixth season.

Kenny Phillips was done by his fifth.

Steve Smith was toast in his fourth.

Terrell Thomas made a herculean effort to come back at all for a fourth season after not playing for two years.

I know football's a brutal game and injuries happen, but they've really had some rotten injury luck.
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2014 9:49 am : link
Most other teams most likely share the same fate
I would have included Bradshaw  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2014 9:51 am : link
But RBs usually have pretty short careers.
They all got hurt,  
AnishPatel : 7/22/2014 9:55 am : link
while some were injury prone. Snee stayed healthy until he started to get hurt and his skills went downhill because of it.

I am surprised Kiwi is one of the last one standing, along with Eli.
The unique  
pjcas18 : 7/22/2014 9:59 am : link
(maybe?) thing about Bradshaw is his career was over by 26.

I think Tuck is underestimated slightly. He definitely wasn't the same (I want to say after the Flozell Adams cheap shot?), and I know stats aren't everything, but last year he was very good against the run and had double digit sacks.
gmen9892 : 7/22/2014 10:08 am : link
Was also done at a pretty young age of 33.
As well as McKenzie  
gmen9892 : 7/22/2014 10:10 am : link
At age 32. You would think one of those guys coulda made it to the 35 year range as an OL. Not sure what the norm is for that position, but seems fairly young.
I've noticed this as well but  
Enzo : 7/22/2014 10:43 am : link
it's hard to say how we compare to other teams. Barnwell's article last year did a good job of summarizing all of the injuries and such that have impacted many of our recent draft picks. It sure seems like many of our guys are barely even approaching 6-7 years of productive seasons, let alone 10+. Maybe we were spoiled by guys like Toomer, Tiki, Strahan (obviously a huge outlier), Hammer, etc.
Mike in Long Beach : 7/22/2014 10:48 am : link
It's hard for me to agree with you on Tuck and Snee. Not only is Tuck still playing, but he's coming off an 11.5 sack season (though I know it was largely compiled. Snee... yeah, he checked out a tad early, but nothing over-the-top.

Thomas is one of those players that, in a weird way, probably exceeded expectations given his circumstances. Every team gets a handful of players bit with multiple injuries/surgeries, but the way Thomas responded time and time again was extraordinary.

Phillips and Smith I totally agree with. Phillips was looking like he could be a top 5 safety in the NFL before his injury, and while he showed flashes after that, he just never fully recovered. Smith? He had like 25-farkin-catches in one season more than ANY GIANT EVER. His fall from grace is the craziest of them all.
Average career length in the NFL is what, 4 years?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2014 10:49 am : link
Can't really do anything about injuries. It's why guys who get to 15-19 years are usually the hall of famers.
BrettNYG10 : 7/22/2014 10:50 am : link
Our guys seem to fall off a cliff like they were signed by the Rangers - there's no graceful decline from very good to good to average.

O'Hara is another.
When you look at Smith  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2014 10:51 am : link
his fall isn't that crazy.

They had to recontruct his knee. For a player that was never a super athlete, and who made himself by maxing out his ability, it's a death sentence.
Webster's another guy  
Enzo : 7/22/2014 10:52 am : link
he was pretty much done at 29.
pjcas18 : 7/22/2014 10:53 am : link
was maybe the opposite though?

I thought some of his best seasons, were the later seasons of his career.

BTW, waiting on someone to say Eli.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/22/2014 10:53 am : link
Smith, Phillips, and Thomas had career-ending type injuries  
Kyle : 7/22/2014 11:00 am : link
Tuck and Snee broke down.

I would say bad luck on the first three, but it happens, and teams usually don't find Pro Bowl WRs in their backyard UDFA pool to wildly succeed the guy lost to a bad injury.
here's the Barnwell article  
Enzo : 7/22/2014 11:05 am : link
if you're into reliving all the injuries, failed picks and plain old bad luck.
Link - ( New Window )
Not a single OL from the 2008 starting group lasting into their  
Riggies : 7/22/2014 11:05 am : link
mid 30s (in terms of quality, not just dragging themselves out to the field) is a bit unlucky.

NFL careers are generally short, but you'd think at least one of them, given the positional histories/probabilities, would have held up longer than they did, as they were all pretty much shot after 2010.
mrvax : 7/22/2014 11:25 am : link
that Terrell Thomas is still unsigned. He did OK last year and should be 100% this year. WTH???
Will Hill  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/22/2014 11:29 am : link
done after only 9 starts in his career and 24 overall games played. I'm still pissed off
well, that one was entirely self-inflicted  
Greg from LI : 7/22/2014 11:34 am : link
Doesn't seem to belong with the others, whose careers ended or declined dramatically due to circumstances beyond their control.
And Nicks  
Jerry in DC : 7/22/2014 11:35 am : link
We'll see if he's "done" but he hasn't been looking like the guy we saw a few years ago. Maybe even JPP, let's hope not.

We've definitely had bad luck with long-term injuries. Lots of good players who didn't have anything close to the normal career arc because of long-term injuries.
yea I'd put him  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/22/2014 11:36 am : link
in the Plax category of self-inflicted idiocy costing the team.
On the offensive line, Diehl, Snee and O'Hara were in clear decline...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/22/2014 11:36 am : link least a year or two before their wheels came off. Seubert's career ended suddenly, but it was a miracle he ever made it back from his first "career-ending" injury. I think the only guy who really fell off a cliff was McKenzie in 2011.

All five of those lineman got paid, though Seubert did less well than the others. The players I feel most for are the ones who fell just short of a big payday because of ill-timed injuries - like Phillips, Thomas and Smith. Even Jon Goff and Dominik Hixon were on their way to nice, lucrative careers when their knees went.

Then there's Chad Jones, whose bad luck is of a different magnitude, though he still considers himself fortunate.
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2014 12:18 pm : link
Monetarily I don't feel sorry for Smith. The year before it was reported that he left 7mill per season(for 5 years) on the table. He says he never received such an offer. So either his Agent witheld that from him(highly doubtful imv) or the Giants lied.

What do you think?
Not that he was a superstar by any stretch of the imagination  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/22/2014 12:24 pm : link
But Kevin Boss had a quick turnaround from a promising NFL tight end to an afterthought, too.
Boss' quick turnaround  
Big Blue '56 : 7/22/2014 1:33 pm : link
was due to repeated concussions..I doubt he ever recovered fully from the ones incurred with us
The long career is the anomaly  
steve in ky : 7/22/2014 1:38 pm : link
When a player plays 10+ seasons just think how many teammates he would have played with and how the rosters change over that period of time.
This happens to all 32 teams!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/22/2014 2:30 pm : link
I think O'Hara and Seubert were two of those players that were  
Reese's Pieces : 7/22/2014 6:39 pm : link
cut too soon, before the Giants had any proven replacements.

O'Hara had been hurt and missed most games in 2010, but what's new about a player being banged up one year. Shaun was about the only Giant O-Lineman to make the Pro Bowl three times, once as a starter. Seubert was BBI's player of the year, so did the BBI people here think that he was "done" going into 2011.

That line was "lunch pail" line like in 1986. No publicity, average to good ability, but playing as a unit for so many years made them special.

So in 2011, sacks go up from 16 to 28. Bradshaw rushing average goes from 4.5 to 3.9 and Jacobs from 5.6 to 3.8.

But since we won the Super Bowl by the width of a hair I wouldn't change a damn thing.

How can players that physically couldn't be cleared to play anymore  
Riggies : 7/22/2014 6:59 pm : link
be cut too soon?

Seubert's injury in the last game of 2010 was something he just couldn't get back from and he had to call it a day. A couple teams (including Miami) showed interest in O'Hara in 2011, after the Giants cut him, but he couldn't pass a physical to be cleared to play even in the middle of that season; he too was just physically done.

The Giants have made plenty of mistakes in recent years. Cutting players that had to retire because injury is not one of them.
But if Eli keeps ticking until 37 years old or more  
BlueLou : 7/22/2014 7:15 pm : link
that alone more than balances the scale, no?
Yeah, I had forgotten that Seubert suffered such a severe injury  
Reese's Pieces : 7/22/2014 7:45 pm : link
in the last game of the season. Still, before he was hurt Reese had been praising him to the skies for filling in so well at center.

Seubert was singing the old "ready by training camp" song. But you could make the better case for keeping Seubert since he was 32 and didn't have a prior list of very serious injuries.

There's a hint in this article that the Giants needed cap space for Bradshaw, Steve Smith, and Bossy. So, who knows, they sign Seubert and don't sign Bossy then they lose the Super Bowl, if they even get there.
I knew I forgot something.  
Reese's Pieces : 7/22/2014 7:49 pm : link
This article made an emotional impression on me because the guys just wanted to come back so badly.
Oops, the Article - ( New Window )
christian : 7/22/2014 8:11 pm : link
I think it is a hell of a lot easier to make the case the Giants are lucky to get good production on guys in their second contract. The overwhelming statistics put guys done in their first contract. The Strahans of the game are insanely limited.
Given that he physically wasn't able to ever play again, there is no  
Riggies : 7/22/2014 8:34 pm : link
case to be made. Same for O'Hara.

I'm sure Reese would have loved to have been able to ride at least Seubert at C for one more year and not have had to overpay Baas like he did, but it was never an option for the team. You can't keep guys who physically can't be cleared to play and that you know very likely won't ever be again.
Well you can see in the article that Seubert definitely  
Reese's Pieces : 7/22/2014 10:54 pm : link
thought he still had a lot to give. He had overcome serious injuries in the past.

It is futile to argue this since we don't his exact medical condition, or what his doctors were telling the Giants.
Very few OL last until  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/22/2014 11:09 pm : link
Their mid thirties. Sure some like Bruce Matthews was very good into his middle 30s but MANY OLs are lucky to get 8 seasons in. . On what planet do offensive linemen regularly play into their mid 30s? Never mind at a high level.
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