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UConn4523 : 7/22/2014 6:06 pm
Cavs confident in landing Love, Bulls making a push. Apparently Cavs interested in a Butler + Gibson and picks package.

Sign me up. He defense doesn't kill us with Noah there.
Per ESPN  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2014 6:06 pm : link
by the way
Leverage to get  
kmed : 7/22/2014 6:07 pm : link
Thompson or Wiggins?
No idea  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2014 6:11 pm : link
I put the Bulls at a 5% chance. Seems like he's going to the Cavs, just a matter of when.
Bulls and Giants fan  
JOMO25 : 7/22/2014 6:29 pm : link
How does that happen (because of MJ and the fact that they were winning chips)?
Anyway  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2014 6:32 pm : link
Bulls also signed Aaron Brooks to backup Rose. Good vet signing.
RE: Bulls and Giants fan  
Tyrion : 7/22/2014 6:38 pm : link
In comment 11776982 JOMO25 said:
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How does that happen (because of MJ and the fact that they were winning chips)?


Are we really going to start this up again?
I don't think  
cokeduplt : 7/22/2014 6:44 pm : link
The Bulls could land Love if the Cavs are offering a package with Wiggens. Also if the Bulls trade Butler who.s playing SG.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 7/22/2014 6:45 pm : link
Heard Wiggins is close to signing with Cleveland, which would prohibit him being moved for 30 days. That might give enough of a window for other teams to move in.
Of course now  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2014 6:46 pm : link
Wigging trumps any deal. However, the Bulls probably put together a better package than the Warriors, but it may leave our team depleted.

Personally I want to see what Mirotic, McDermott, and Snell have this year. It will be a fun team to watch grow especially if Rose plays a full season.
RE: I don't think  
CGiants07 : 7/22/2014 7:05 pm : link
In comment 11776999 cokeduplt said:
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The Bulls could land Love if the Cavs are offering a package with Wiggens. Also if the Bulls trade Butler who.s playing SG.


snell and hinrich
I mean snell  
cokeduplt : 7/22/2014 8:09 pm : link
Has potential but that's less than ideal. I kinda like the bulls team how it is.
the absolute  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 8:10 pm : link
worst thing the Wolves could do is take that garbage package from the Bulls.

They'd be better off with Wiggins and nothing else than that
RE: ...  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 8:11 pm : link
In comment 11777000 SanFranGiantsFan said:
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Heard Wiggins is close to signing with Cleveland, which would prohibit him being moved for 30 days. That might give enough of a window for other teams to move in.


They can't trade him unless they sign him. So this was always going to be the case
I'd like Love  
dep026 : 7/22/2014 8:15 pm : link
but I am not willing to part with Gibson and Butler. I know they arent the value of Love, but they are two of the best defenders at their positions in the league. Trading those two makes Chicago's wing defenders extremely weak.
RE: I'd like Love  
Jon in NYC : 7/22/2014 8:17 pm : link
In comment 11777075 dep026 said:
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but I am not willing to part with Gibson and Butler. I know they arent the value of Love, but they are two of the best defenders at their positions in the league. Trading those two makes Chicago's wing defenders extremely weak.


lol.
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hitdog42 : 7/22/2014 8:21 pm : link
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Good luck cavs... hopefully he beats his career average of sub 50 games a year.
I would not make this trade if i were the cavs. they can compete for a title this year. prime lebron... 3 pt shooting, a PG, a good 6th man in waiters, wiggins defensively, thompson ect.

Cavs have had no cohesion for a few years on the court, bench, or front office. let the kids grow with lebron and by playoff time they will be an impossible out in the east and a tough out for the west.

I'm with you hitdog  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 8:25 pm : link
short sighted move imo to make a move for Love. He gets hurt, hasn't won shit, and is a poor defender. I'd just go with Wiggins and watch him grow with prime LeBron, then when LeBron slows down ideally Wiggins is entering his prime and can help carry the team
Love is less than  
giantsfan44ab : 7/22/2014 8:29 pm : link
the ideal defender, but its not like he's as bad as Gasol by any means. Twolves allowed 104 points per 100 possessions with Love and 108 with Gasol. Any tibs team plays elite defense. And the Bulls need scoring to truly contend with the western conference teams, even at the risk of defense.

But I'm not sure if Love would make any guarantees to stay with Rose's knees.
RE: RE: I'd like Love  
dep026 : 7/22/2014 8:30 pm : link
In comment 11777077 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 11777075 dep026 said:


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but I am not willing to part with Gibson and Butler. I know they arent the value of Love, but they are two of the best defenders at their positions in the league. Trading those two makes Chicago's wing defenders extremely weak.



lol.


I dont understand whats so funny about this? Trading for Love gives them 3 PF, and the likes of McDermott, Snell, and Dunleavy to play the 2-3 spots. Who is going to defend out of those 3? One of the reasons why Thibs loves Taj is because he is versatile enough to guard perimeter defenders in switches and hold his own. The 4 spot of Gasol, Love, and Mirotic makes them extremely weak defensively at the 3, 4, 5.

That trade makes little to no sense for the Bulls.
Another interesting point  
giantsfan44ab : 7/22/2014 8:33 pm : link
Ive heard on the Love situation is that as Lebron progresses, he will be better suited as a PF than a SF. In fact, he was playing a fair amount of PF in the playoffs this year with Bosh at the 5. That would be a potential problem with Love-Lebron.
thats  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 8:35 pm : link
crazy. He will not be better suited as a PF, much more wear and tear on his body going against big men.
Thats a good point  
giantsfan44ab : 7/22/2014 8:40 pm : link
But its not like he hasn't received minutes at the 4 at all, and it was more of his skill set being matched to a stretch 4.
since 08/09  
hitdog42 : 7/22/2014 8:45 pm : link
Kevin Love has played in 256 regular season games
Derek rose has played in 289.

any questions?

to be fair he is ahead of greg oden who has only played 109

Yes trade 2 #1 overall picks (1 who is essentially a rookie again after being hurt to start last year and the other who is supposed to be a franchise player) and some draft choices.... for a guy who cant stay on the floor and wants max money.
his skill set  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 8:46 pm : link
matched to a stretch 4? Huh?

He played some 4 with the Heat because they had no center and had to go small.

His best position by far is SF. He would be better off playing PG going forward than PF
When he is 36-37  
giantsfan44ab : 7/22/2014 10:01 pm : link
He won't be as quick to handle SFs but his strength right now rivals many 4s and 5s.
he doesnt  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 10:03 pm : link
need to be as quick to handle them. He'll still be plenty quick enough.
Lebron  
Jerry in DC : 7/22/2014 11:12 pm : link
can't play the 4 regularly. He can do it against teams that don't have scoring/bruising 4's and in short spells against anybody. But the big PFs who can score will give him problems. He's among the most versatile defenders of all-time, but when he guards off-position it's for stretches, not as his regular job. He did a good job against West in one of the 4th quarters against Indy, and it pretty much won the game for Miami because West had to guard Allen who lit it up. But he just can't do it for the whole game.

Plus his D is slowing down anyway, especially in the regular season. Going off-position would be a horrible idea.

I'd like to see the Cavs stick with Wiggins and the rest of the young guys. It will be fun to see what Lebron can do with them and it gives them flexibility if they want to change things up. If they pull the trigger on Love, that's basically the core for the next few years. And it's just kind of a reshuffled Miami with 3 stars and serious weaknesses around them. Obviously you can win with that, but I'd prefer to see something different.
Dan  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 11:12 pm : link
what happened to your Greg Monroe thread?
he deleted it after i said it was probably  
CruzShip52 : 7/22/2014 11:14 pm : link
A false rumor
Mook  
Giantfootball025 : 7/22/2014 11:14 pm : link
it was made by a fake account.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2014 11:19 pm : link
I never bought it but apparently everyone is saying it's totally fake. Man, that would be incredible adding Monroe for Smith and a 1st... which is why it wasn't believable. Monroe is the perfect triangle big.
Monroe  
MookGiants : 7/22/2014 11:20 pm : link
is the guy I want next off-season. Not Marc Gasol. Rumor is he wont even look to sign an offer sheet elsewhere this summer because he wants to leave the Pistons and knows they would match
Monroe  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2014 11:33 pm : link
is 24 years old (just turned) 15 and 9 on 50% from the field, outside of being a meh shotblocker he does everything else you could ask for. Soft hands, passer, smart player... sorry not great at the line but most non-perimeter bigs have that issue. 17 and 10 second half and remember some of his stats are poached by Josh Smith/Drummond. I think he has a legit shot to be an 18 and 10+ big for someone.
RE: Monroe  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2014 11:49 pm : link
In comment 11777253 MookGiants said:
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is the guy I want next off-season. Not Marc Gasol. Rumor is he wont even look to sign an offer sheet elsewhere this summer because he wants to leave the Pistons and knows they would match


It's potential signings like this that are why I remain quite hopeful. Everybody asks what stars are available in 2015, but there's not a team in the league that wouldn't take monroe, yet nobody's talking about him.
A potential Monroe signing  
bceagle05 : 7/22/2014 11:58 pm : link
is the type of thing that makes me want to fast forward a year to get phase two of this process underway.
I hope the Cavs stick with Wiggins as well  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/23/2014 12:09 am : link
He's raw as hell offensively but should still be a beast in transition who can hit 3s at an acceptable rate while providing solid D. Love is a great player but I totally agree that there are question marks surrounding him. Love/Kyrie is a no-D injury prone duo with no playoff experience. LeBron shouldn't go all in with that duo. Let Wiggins develop and target Marc Gasol in free agency next year.
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