for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Eric from BBI - RE: Bruce Catton's Civil War Trilogy

Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 8:18 am
A couple of month's ago you had recommended these books to a poster and, being a Civil War buff my self and never having read anything by Bruce Catton before, I looked into them.

Well, more than halfway through "The Coming Fury", I have to say this is without a doubt one of the best books I've ever read. The way he captures and describes the public sentiment in the northern, southern and border states is just amazing.

I can't wait to start "Terrible Swift Sword" and "Never Call Retreat", and I highly recommend them to anyone with a Civil War interest that hasn't picked these up yet. Thanks for the recommendation.
Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:23 am : link
Thanks. I had the same reaction.

IMO, he's the best author of history I've ever read and those three books are his best work. I couldn't put them down.

As far away from "dry, boring history" as you can get. It's like he is channeling the past and was actually there.
E...  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 8:27 am : link
The research for these books must have been incredible. Have you read any of his other's and, if so, do they measure up to these? I have the feeling these set the bar very high, but they will be just as enjoyable none the less.
BTW....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:28 am : link
One clarification, "The Coming Fury" is probably the best book I've read in terms of truly understanding the cause of the war.

But his trilogy on the Army of the Potomac is truly outstanding...he one the Pulitzer for the last of the three, but I think he probably received that honor for all three books:

Mr. Lincoln's Army (1951)
Glory Road (1952)
A Stillness at Appomattox (1953)

I really like Shelby Foote, but Catton is better.
Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:30 am : link
LOL...I was typing my response why you asked. You'll love the Army of Potomac trilogy...they read like novels.

Read the first page of of "See Inside" at Amazon.com here...
Amazon.com - ( New Window )
RE: BTW....  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 8:30 am : link
In comment 11777386 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
One clarification, "The Coming Fury" is probably the best book I've read in terms of truly understanding the cause of the war.

But his trilogy on the Army of the Potomac is truly outstanding...he one the Pulitzer for the last of the three, but I think he probably received that honor for all three books:

Mr. Lincoln's Army (1951)
Glory Road (1952)
A Stillness at Appomattox (1953)

I really like Shelby Foote, but Catton is better.

I enjoyed Shelby Foote as well, but these books definitely have a place in my library.
Bump  
djm : 7/23/2014 8:31 am : link
Thx
Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:33 am : link
keep this in mind when Catton wrote these books...all pre-Civil Rights movement. Segregation was very much alive and well throughout the country. What he wrote - at that time - must have caused shockwaves in half the country.

the state  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:33 am : link
where I live...today in 2014...many people still argue that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War.
I think  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:39 am : link
one of the great tragedies in the black community is the utter and complete lack of interest in that community's role in helping to liberate itself.

It drives the Civil War historians at the national parks crazy. They do outreach but there is no interest in what should probably be one of their proudest chapters.

A number of years ago, my son's Cub Scout troop was putting candles on Civil War graves for Memorial Day. I pulled aside the father of one scout from a black family. I took him to a grave site of a black soldier in the Federal cemetery. I said, "See this grave." He read the "USCT" (U.S. Colored Troops) marking and was moved. But then I pointed to the mansion across the river and said, "he was an escaped slave from the owners of that house."
so  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:45 am : link
in other words...he finally managed to escape his "masters"...fled north...joined a black regiment...came back south again to fight for his people...and was killed and buried within miles of where he escaped from.
Ok, I started reading that excerpt you posted  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 8:51 am : link
and I'm hooked. I hadn't realized when these books were written until you first recommended them, and to see that they were published in the early 1950's was surprising. Especially, as you say, given the social/racial climate at that time.

Interesting point you bring up about the USCT's. It is amazing how little is known about the Civil War in the black community today. Do you know any books written about the USCTs? Yes, I know I can do the research, but if you have something you could recommend it would be appreciated.

RE: so  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 8:52 am : link
In comment 11777415 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
in other words...he finally managed to escape his "masters"...fled north...joined a black regiment...came back south again to fight for his people...and was killed and buried within miles of where he escaped from.

This story alone would make a great book/movie, IMHO. Do you remember what his name was?
Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:57 am : link
I have forgotten, but I can look into it.
Mike in Philly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 8:58 am : link
Not that I know of...something must have been written.
RE: so  
mattlawson : 7/23/2014 12:23 pm : link
In comment 11777415 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
in other words...he finally managed to escape his "masters"...fled north...joined a black regiment...came back south again to fight for his people...and was killed and buried within miles of where he escaped from.



that's like every plot of Rod Serling's work, ever. amazing irony.
Thanks for the timely  
Rick5 : 7/23/2014 12:28 pm : link
post. Eric recommended these books on a thread in the past, and they are on my list of books to read. I am just about to go on vacation, so there is no better time to start. I am going to order them for the Nook tonight.
Mike/Eric  
Rick5 : 7/23/2014 12:31 pm : link
Is his take on the factors leading up to the war consistent with McPherson's in The Battle Cry of Freedom?
Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 1:06 pm : link
I sent an e-mail to the NPS.

Response:

Hello Eric:

The soldier you reference is Charles Sprow (misspelled Sprout on his headstone). Sprow was a slave of J. Horace Lacy, fled to freedom during the war, and enlisted in the 1st United States Colored Cavalry. He lived until 1926 and was a long-time member of Shiloh Baptist Church (Old Site). His descendants still live in the area today.

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

John
so  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 1:07 pm : link
I was wrong about him being killed in the Civil War. (whoops)
Rick  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/23/2014 1:07 pm : link
Yes, but far more detailed and persuasive. And he doesn't tell you that point blank. You come to that conclusion yourself.
Bruce Catton has been famous for a very long time  
Marty in Albany : 7/23/2014 1:30 pm : link
because of the quality of his writing. Anyone interested in American History should include his books among the first that they read.
I think Jeff Shaara  
Simms11 : 7/23/2014 1:34 pm : link
is equally as brilliant an author as Catton. Have you guys read any of Jeff Shaara's work?
RE: I think Jeff Shaara  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 1:50 pm : link
In comment 11778209 Simms11 said:
Quote:
is equally as brilliant an author as Catton. Have you guys read any of Jeff Shaara's work?

I read all of Jeff Shaara's work. Not just his Civil War books, but the WWI and WWII books as well. Excellent reading.
RE: Mike  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 2:05 pm : link
In comment 11778124 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
I sent an e-mail to the NPS.

Response:

Hello Eric:

The soldier you reference is Charles Sprow (misspelled Sprout on his headstone). Sprow was a slave of J. Horace Lacy, fled to freedom during the war, and enlisted in the 1st United States Colored Cavalry. He lived until 1926 and was a long-time member of Shiloh Baptist Church (Old Site). His descendants still live in the area today.

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

John

Eric - VERY interesting. I found the attached article through a google search. I think this is the extent of what is know of Charles Sprow. Again, I think this would make a great movie!
“I was a slave of Major Horace Lacy.” - ( New Window )
RE: Mike  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 2:06 pm : link
In comment 11778124 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
I sent an e-mail to the NPS.

Response:

Hello Eric:

The soldier you reference is Charles Sprow (misspelled Sprout on his headstone). Sprow was a slave of J. Horace Lacy, fled to freedom during the war, and enlisted in the 1st United States Colored Cavalry. He lived until 1926 and was a long-time member of Shiloh Baptist Church (Old Site). His descendants still live in the area today.

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

John

Eric - VERY interesting. I found the attached article through a google search. I think this is the extent of what is know of Charles Sprow. Again, I think this would make a great movie!
“I was a slave of Major Horace Lacy.” - ( New Window )
RE: Rick  
Rick5 : 7/23/2014 2:47 pm : link
In comment 11778134 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Yes, but far more detailed and persuasive. And he doesn't tell you that point blank. You come to that conclusion yourself.

Thanks, Eric. I am definitely going to buy it later tonight.
Back to the Corner