NFT: Knicks chat 7/23

hated the china move, the money is good but he said there is zero player development and they play no defense which might hurt his draftabilty next year.

The media annihilates the Knicks for trading away picks and young players, and then is the first party to want to move them off, this time for no better reason than the fact that he exhibited flaws in his game as a rookie.

THJR can flat out score. He should be traded because of his rebound rate? Awful.

year in college isn't going to turn a HS guard into a good defensive player anyway. 1.2 million + potentially becoming a star in the Chinese market is pretty massive. Not exactly clear why he chose a prep school that has never had a player eligible right away. He had to know this was possible?

They can't overrate his abilities and lose out on a big time trade offer but at the same time they can't sell off one of their few young, cost controlled players. Basically the Knicks better be on the mark in regards to hardaway's upside and future with the club. If they feel he can be a legit plus starter in the nba then there's no way they trade him.

In comment 11777407 djm said:

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They can't overrate his abilities and lose out on a big time trade offer but at the same time they can't sell off one of their few young, cost controlled players. Basically the Knicks better be on the mark in regards to hardaway's upside and future with the club. If they feel he can be a legit plus starter in the nba then there's no way they trade him.

It's far too soon to come to a conclusion on his upside, but he clearly demonstrates a primary-scorer's mentality and skillset. If he can improve his secondary abilities, like every rookie has to, and proves the consistency over time to go along with his offensive skills and willingness to shoot he's a 22-23 year old starting NBA 2 guard with the scoring ability to get himself into the all-star game.

but he's not untouchable. As Knicks fans, we are so desperate for good young players that we will often overrate some. I think THJR can be a very solid starter in the NBA and he's cost controlled for now which is a plus.

if its for a very good player, but i cant see a team giving up a very good player for a package headlined by THJR yet. Therefor id rather keep him and see how he progresses, then maybe after this year you could have a better idea of his future worth.

that might be now for THJR

I see him as the next Jamal Crawford, not the next Reggie Miller.

He has 3 "cheap" years left. Definitely move him in the right deal

agree with Kmed.

He should not be untouchable, but should only be moved for a player that we would use Cap space on in the future such as Kevin Love or a player of that ilk.

He should not be moved for a quick fix.

think most people are in agreement on THjr. Good talent, potential solid NBA starter, likely not a star, don't trade him unless it's either for a similar caliber young player at a position we could use or part or part of a larger deal.

Crawford didn't find his way until his late 20s.

the whole untouchable thing was a bit overblown. I can't imagine they'd refuse to deal him if a good offer came along. I think what it meant was they're not shopping him.

Crawford at 21- 9.3 points 2.4 assists 1.5 boards (truncated season because he got hurt)


Crawford at 22 10.7 points, 4.2 assists 2.3 boards


THjr at 21 10.2 points 0.8 assists 1.5 boards

Unrelated to the comparison I always felt Crawford was unfairly lumped in as some sort of selfish player. His shot selection wasn't always the best but that was mainly because we didn't have much around him. He was unusually clutch and one of the few "watchable" players we had for a while. He, like Nate is going to end up playing a long time in the NBA, Crawford may yet play 15+ seasons.

call him Jamal Crawful. I don't love nor hate his game. I think he's perfect in the role of 6th man.

Is a a good comparison I think. Both played same amount of years in college and afflalo wasn't known defensively until recent years. Hard work and effort on the defensive end can make up for deficiencies in lateral quickness to an extent.

it would blow your mind if THjr. ends up being a good 6th man vs. a good starter? In fact I'd argue odds are it's MORE likely he's a 6th-7th man than a good starter.

but he absolutely was an inefficient chucker and needed to get over that. You and I remember his shot selection differently, but Crawford does say he grew up a lot with the Knicks.

I feel like Tim will be a more accurate shooter. He's kind of shown that.

In comment 11777568 DanMetroMan said:

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it would blow your mind if THjr. ends up being a good 6th man vs. a good starter? In fact I'd argue odds are it's MORE likely he's a 6th-7th man than a good starter.

Where in my previous comment did I mention THJR? I was speaking specifically about Crawford.

No, I know. I'm just saying odds are far more likely that THjr. settles into a "scorer off the bench" role vs. a good starter. Not a knock at all just playing the odds.

but his shot selection wasn't good. He had a good handle and wasn't a selfish player, I think he thought he needed to shoot more and felt the pressure of being a go to guy. He was one of the best spot up shooters in the game. Perfect in his role that he's in right now.

I said, his shot selection was not good but that had a lot to do with the roster. I think in his prime Jamal Crawford with Melo being the #1 option looks like a different player. He always came off as mature and a decent guy to me despite his "chuck" rep.

Like I said, I think he felt the pressure of thinking he needed to be the guy.

its what in the MIN value you get for him. For me, its a Greg Monroe type player. So, Bargs + THJ + Larkin for Monroe + Singler + Caldwell Pope. Doubt that does it for Detroit though.

which substantially increases his relative upside. He will continue to add strength and bulk He is a vastly better leaper. Crawford has great abiity to create his own shot, but then he shoots it at a mediocre and inconsistent rate. He is a better ballhandler, but his upside as a defender was limited by his body. He has a career shooting percentage of .411 and a 3-point percentage of .351. THjr will exceed those numbers with his eyes closed.

It's an odd comparison.

If THJR can add about 20 lbs of muscle, I think he could be a solid 3.

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actually question how much more THjr. is going to physically fill out. As we all know he's done professional level training since his teens. He 100% can continue improving as a player, zero argument there but I think physically he's pretty maxed out.

I look at his frame and I think he's got some more maturing to do.

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actually 22, 23 in March.

laterally. So I don't think adding muscle would effect him.

In comment 11777636 DanMetroMan said:

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actually 22, 23 in March.

Meh, semi close enough I guess. If Kevin Durant can put on muscle, anybody can.

but in 2003-2004, Melo was 19 years old. If he DIDN'T bulk up it would have been a surprise.

is obviously a poster-like pic designed to make him look ripped. He's not quite that ripped....

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That looked a bit different from thjr in summer league. He could certainly fill out to that with 15-20 pounds

it's part of your charm.

and he can play the 3. Doesn't need the quickness he'd need to guard 2's and could be strong enough to guard most 3's.

He looks like an athlete should expect to.

Wiki lists him at 205 but I'm not sure if that was his college, rookie, or current measure.

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Bulls have offered Taj Gibson, Doug McDermott and Nikola Mirotic to the Wolves for Kevin Love. (via @sheridanhoops)

That is not a bad offer for Love, especially if they add in a couple of draft picks.

That seems like a lot.

I'd want building blocks. Mirotic and mcdermott are good complimentary scorers but they aren't players you could build around like wiggins, Thompson or even potentially barnes

isn't a building block player. Neither is Barnes. I like both but neither are cornerstone players.

the Wolves to get as many teams involved as possible to get the most that they can.

Or Chicago leaking stories to get their main rival Cleveland to up their offer?

I'm firmly in the camp that Cleveland all but guaranteed LeBron that they would trade for Love. I think these leaks get the Cavs to blink and include a 2nd 1st with Bennett/Wiggins.

Than mcdermott is. I don't think anyone thought Harden was a building block 4 years ago.