Can someone tell me what one thing has to do with the other? I don't think Tyree will commenting on his personal views in a public forum under his new job. Not saying I agree with Tyree or even disagree, but this is a story made by ESPN commentary.
Can someone tell me what one thing has to do with the other? I don't think Tyree will commenting on his personal views in a public forum under his new job. Not saying I agree with Tyree or even disagree, but this is a story made by ESPN commentary.
What do his comments in a public forum have to do with anything? What if we signed Michael Sam, as we were rumored to be interested in doing if he slipped out of the 7th round? Would Tyree try to convert him?
Its comepltely wrong to prohibit people from working based on thier personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not. All that matters is that he performs his job objectively.
Its comepltely wrong to prohibit people from working based on thier personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not. All that matters is that he performs his job objectively.
No. It is wrong to prohibit people from working a job. It is not wrong from prohibiting people from working particular jobs.
on the subject, whether he's on the wrong side of the issue or not, but it would have been much better for him and the Giants had he just kept that personal belief, you know, personal.
But as soon as he expressed it publicly, he opened himself up to criticism for it, and given the position he's been hired for, I think it's reasonable to question whether or not that belief will interfere with his ability to perform that job.
Maybe I'm seeing this with blue shades on, but I have to think that the Giants addressed this during their vetting process and he gave them some indication that he wouldn't let his beliefs interfere with the job should such an occasion arise. Who knows, maybe he's had a change of heart. I certainly hope so, at least.
Its comepltely wrong to prohibit people from working based on thier personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not. All that matters is that he performs his job objectively.
No. It is wrong to prohibit people from working a job. It is not wrong from prohibiting people from working particular jobs.
That's true, but the "there's no scientific evidence that you're born gay" is beyond moronic.
I'm decidedly not on Tyree's side on this whole issue, but he's actually probably got a point in the most literal sense -- there probably isn't one scientific study that empirically demonstrates a cause of gayness present at birth.
Sure, the lack of that study or piece of proof isn't license to believe "gay can be cured" or what have you, but still, he's probably technically right.t
The bottom line is that you can't have a job like this Â
If you're prejudiced against homosexuals. Not in 2014. Not in New York.
Would anyone who had publicly made similarly insensitive comments about race even be considered for this position? Not unless they profusely and sincerely apologized and probably not even then.
if it were his beliefs and he kept to himself, he'd be fine i think Â
it's that he used the biggest stage he could to speak against others, and the momentum of acceptance and legalization of gay marraige stands directly in opposition to what he said. the fact that it's a player development position, i cant speak with absolute certainty to what that entails but, i'd think it's ultimately about preparing each and every player in the organization for success. it's going to be tricky... although I do think Tyree is a good person to try and inspire confidence in young players who need to prove themselves in their craft on the biggest stages. but football isn't everything....
Tyree has explained his views by citing his religious beliefs, which is an excuse a lot of people use and is, in my opinion, a crummy reason for treating fellow human beings poorly. You believe what you want to believe, but once you start using it as a weapon with which to mistreat other people, you have lost me.
he's far beyond just "religious" and deep into brainwashed robot territory. For those who don't know, he literally said he would give up the Super Bowl ring to stop gay marriage.
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“The catch was a gift, it’s not like I’d try to do it. I couldn’t do it again so that was a miracle,” Tyree told Kenneth Lovett of the Daily News. “There’s nothing worth more than [maintaining heterosexual marriage] right here for me.”
So we he trade the catch for, um, a block? “Honestly, I probably would.”
Tyree then elaborated on his point. “Nothing means more to me than that my God would be honored,” Tyree said. “Being the fact that I firmly believe that God created and ordained marriage between a man and a woman, I believe that that’s something that should be fought for at all costs.
“So I’ll lay down everything I am to preserve the honor and integrity of the God that I serve.”
Forget how crazy this makes him sound, shouldn't the Giants (and fans) be concerned that he doesn't necessarily prioritize winning? Bad hire.
Holding and stating a religious belief is "medieval"?
Muslims would not be able to hold Tyree's new job because under the Koran and Sharia, being gay is not only a sin but a crime and they should also be disqualified from holding a job like Tyree's because of their beliefs?. Giants and other sports teams not able to hire someone to hold supervisory or managerial jobs because of their beliefs?
Now, if Tyree's beliefs are translated into anti-gay actions, then I believe he and anyone like him should be fired. But to hold a religious belief and publicly say so disqualifies you from holding a job? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Discriminate against someone holding a job based on their beliefs?
Graziano is barely able to report on sports and yet he feels qualified to comment on someone else's beliefs and opine that someone should not hold a job based on their beliefs?
Holding and stating a religious belief is "medieval"?
Muslims would not be able to hold Tyree's new job because under the Koran and Sharia, being gay is not only a sin but a crime and they should also be disqualified from holding a job like Tyree's because of their beliefs?. Giants and other sports teams not able to hire someone to hold supervisory or managerial jobs because of their beliefs?
Now, if Tyree's beliefs are translated into anti-gay actions, then I believe he and anyone like him should be fired. But to hold a religious belief and publicly say so disqualifies you from holding a job? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Discriminate against someone holding a job based on their beliefs?
Graziano is barely able to report on sports and yet he feels qualified to comment on someone else's beliefs and opine that someone should not hold a job based on their beliefs?
Does someone who believes that life begins at conception and opposes abortion be denied a job because it is a minority viewpoint? Does it mean they are disqualified from working for a WNBA team? Will it reach the point that affiliation with a particular political party is the basis for rejection from employment?
I think you have to look to how he does his job. If he discriminates, or tries to "cure" a gay player, it would be a firing offense. If he spends most of his free time at anti-gay marriage rallies it might affect his ability to do his job. But merely holding an unpopular belief should not be a disqualifying act.
Yeah, 'tone deaf' was how it struck me, as well. Â
This hire during this off-season? It almost feels like the Giants are trolling. Talk about a potential distraction that doesn't seem worth it. Not sure what makes Tyree so special (beyond his obvious moment, which really doesn't seem like a qualifier for this job).
but preventing people from taking jobs due to their views on this subject is simply not acceptable. You can make whatever jokes or arguments you want about applying the first amendment, but holding particular political views that are not aberrantly out of the mainstream shouldn't lead to professional damage. Keep in mind that the Soviet Union in its later days under Brezhnev typically suppressed dissident speech not by sending people to the Gulag but by banning them from working. So now we have a situation where public organizations like the Giants are being asked to enforce adherence to certain views, because of how it looks. That view sure looks a lot like the later Soviet approach.
I have an alternative approach: how about Tyree be instructed by the Giants on their workplace policy towards gay people and how about he adheres to it? And how about any gays who object to Tyree write him a personal letter explaining why he is wrong in hopes of changing his mind? Persuaion instead of coercion?
That I don't understand why they made. It's going to be worse too if they back peddle and take the job away from him, which I suspect might happen.
You can't have a job like this with those types of views. Why would a potential gay player on the Giants feel okay about telling the organization with someone like Tyree and his views as the go-between?
RE: Yeah, 'tone deaf' was how it struck me, as well. Â
I don't think it's so mysterious. Tyree is a guy who overcame drug problems to have a successful football career amidst the temptations of playing in NY.
Tyree has worked for the NFL for the past two years. Â
Obviously, his well-publicized personal beliefs didn't prevent the NFL from hiring him, nor did they have a negative impact on his job performance (which I'm pretty sure we would have heard about if they did). Clearly, the Giants felt comfortable hiring him to do a similar job with their team. Good for them, and good for him.
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“If they pass this gay marriage bill ... this will be the beginning of our country sliding toward — it’s a strong word — but anarchy. The moment we have, and if you trace back to other cultures, other countries, that will be the moment where our society itself loses its grip with what’s right. ... Marriage is the backbone of society, so if you redefine it, it changes the way we educate our children, it changes the perception of what is good, what is right, what is just,” Tyree said in a videotaped interview.
Or here….
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Tyree continues his crusade against same-sex marriage, telling the New York Daily News that he’d be inclined to trade one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history to prevent men from legally marrying other men.
“The catch was a gift, it’s not like I’d try to do it. I couldn’t do it again so that was a miracle,” Tyree told Kenneth Lovett of the Daily News. “There’s nothing worth more than [maintaining heterosexual marriage] right here for me.”
And definitely here….
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‘I don’t want my kids to think homosexuals are normal.’”
he does not say he opposes civil unions that grant gay couples the same legal protections as marriage.He also does not say anything about mistreating gheys because they think they are fabulous.
More PC nonsense. Another thought crime for the perpetually offended.
I wasn't suggesting that you can't handle criticism. Â
I don't think it's so mysterious. Tyree is a guy who overcame drug problems to have a successful football career amidst the temptations of playing in NY.
If that's the criteria, LT would have been a better choice.
Not allowing gay people to get married is by itself anti-gay.
I would think it has been made clear to him that his religious views/views on homosexuality aren't to be brought to work.
I'm really hoping that the 'hoopla' about this is just that, and that his personal views won't have any effect on how well he does his job.
I totally agree. That is a very dumb statement.
I don't think you'll find a gay person to agree with you.
What do his comments in a public forum have to do with anything? What if we signed Michael Sam, as we were rumored to be interested in doing if he slipped out of the 7th round? Would Tyree try to convert him?
If he did, then fire him for that. Simple enough.
If so, he isn't just anti gay marriage, he's a homophobe.
I would have passed.
Damn. What's that say about your sex life, Anger?
No. It is wrong to prohibit people from working a job. It is not wrong from prohibiting people from working particular jobs.
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
I don't think you'll find a gay person to agree with you.
Or any straight person who isn't anti-gay or a homophobe.
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
I don't think you'll find a gay person to agree with you.
I'm sure I won't. But for some it is about their views on what marriage is. It doesn't have to be about disliking people who are gay.
But as soon as he expressed it publicly, he opened himself up to criticism for it, and given the position he's been hired for, I think it's reasonable to question whether or not that belief will interfere with his ability to perform that job.
Maybe I'm seeing this with blue shades on, but I have to think that the Giants addressed this during their vetting process and he gave them some indication that he wouldn't let his beliefs interfere with the job should such an occasion arise. Who knows, maybe he's had a change of heart. I certainly hope so, at least.
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Its comepltely wrong to prohibit people from working based on thier personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not. All that matters is that he performs his job objectively.
No. It is wrong to prohibit people from working a job. It is not wrong from prohibiting people from working particular jobs.
But free speech!
I'm decidedly not on Tyree's side on this whole issue, but he's actually probably got a point in the most literal sense -- there probably isn't one scientific study that empirically demonstrates a cause of gayness present at birth.
Sure, the lack of that study or piece of proof isn't license to believe "gay can be cured" or what have you, but still, he's probably technically right.t
Would anyone who had publicly made similarly insensitive comments about race even be considered for this position? Not unless they profusely and sincerely apologized and probably not even then.
....says it all for me!
So we he trade the catch for, um, a block? “Honestly, I probably would.”
Tyree then elaborated on his point. “Nothing means more to me than that my God would be honored,” Tyree said. “Being the fact that I firmly believe that God created and ordained marriage between a man and a woman, I believe that that’s something that should be fought for at all costs.
“So I’ll lay down everything I am to preserve the honor and integrity of the God that I serve.”
Forget how crazy this makes him sound, shouldn't the Giants (and fans) be concerned that he doesn't necessarily prioritize winning? Bad hire.
Muslims would not be able to hold Tyree's new job because under the Koran and Sharia, being gay is not only a sin but a crime and they should also be disqualified from holding a job like Tyree's because of their beliefs?. Giants and other sports teams not able to hire someone to hold supervisory or managerial jobs because of their beliefs?
Now, if Tyree's beliefs are translated into anti-gay actions, then I believe he and anyone like him should be fired. But to hold a religious belief and publicly say so disqualifies you from holding a job? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Discriminate against someone holding a job based on their beliefs?
Graziano is barely able to report on sports and yet he feels qualified to comment on someone else's beliefs and opine that someone should not hold a job based on their beliefs?
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
Not allowing gay people to get married is by itself anti-gay.
Exactly
Once again, for those who can't seem to get it:
The 1st Amendment protects you from government sanctions, it does not shield you from criticism.
Muslims would not be able to hold Tyree's new job because under the Koran and Sharia, being gay is not only a sin but a crime and they should also be disqualified from holding a job like Tyree's because of their beliefs?. Giants and other sports teams not able to hire someone to hold supervisory or managerial jobs because of their beliefs?
Now, if Tyree's beliefs are translated into anti-gay actions, then I believe he and anyone like him should be fired. But to hold a religious belief and publicly say so disqualifies you from holding a job? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Discriminate against someone holding a job based on their beliefs?
Graziano is barely able to report on sports and yet he feels qualified to comment on someone else's beliefs and opine that someone should not hold a job based on their beliefs?
Bingo. Score 1 for Mr. Epps.
I think you have to look to how he does his job. If he discriminates, or tries to "cure" a gay player, it would be a firing offense. If he spends most of his free time at anti-gay marriage rallies it might affect his ability to do his job. But merely holding an unpopular belief should not be a disqualifying act.
I have an alternative approach: how about Tyree be instructed by the Giants on their workplace policy towards gay people and how about he adheres to it? And how about any gays who object to Tyree write him a personal letter explaining why he is wrong in hopes of changing his mind? Persuaion instead of coercion?
You can't have a job like this with those types of views. Why would a potential gay player on the Giants feel okay about telling the organization with someone like Tyree and his views as the go-between?
I don't think it's so mysterious. Tyree is a guy who overcame drug problems to have a successful football career amidst the temptations of playing in NY.
But, here's what I don't understand: you have a problem because I'm criticizing Graziano.
Graziano can criticize the Giants and Tyree but I can't criticize Graziano?
Here….
Or here….
“The catch was a gift, it’s not like I’d try to do it. I couldn’t do it again so that was a miracle,” Tyree told Kenneth Lovett of the Daily News. “There’s nothing worth more than [maintaining heterosexual marriage] right here for me.”
And definitely here….
More PC nonsense. Another thought crime for the perpetually offended.
Of course, you can criticize DG.
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Not sure what makes Tyree so special.
I don't think it's so mysterious. Tyree is a guy who overcame drug problems to have a successful football career amidst the temptations of playing in NY.
If that's the criteria, LT would have been a better choice.
You never want ‘I don’t want my kids to think homosexuals are normal.’” to be on your permanent public record.
It's mostly a legal contract. Which is why they can be held just about anywhere other than a church.