I think some of those comments are nuts and idiotic. Let's not dilute the issue by waving away how oddball they are. Should someone be professionally harmed for holding non-mainstream views on a subject?
I think some of those comments are nuts and idiotic. Let's not dilute the issue by waving away how oddball they are. Should someone be professionally harmed for holding non-mainstream views on a subject?
having the benefit of knowing Tyree as well as they do simply feel he has the ability of doing the job well and equally the ability of being tolerant of others regardless of his personal views. The reality is those that are criticizing the Giants don't really know Tyree at all and have no idea how well he may preform the job. The Giants ownership have a pretty good track record for making wise decisions and also being fair to their players. I am thinking they put a lot of thought into this prior to offering him the position.
As long as he doesn't use those opinions to treat any player or person in the org negatively and does a good job, I couldn't care less. The reality is we don't know how most folks feel beyond the facade anyway.
I think some of those comments are nuts and idiotic. Let's not dilute the issue by waving away how oddball they are. Should someone be professionally harmed for holding non-mainstream views on a subject?
Definitely not. Westboro Baptist Church should have snapped him up years ago.
It's a glorified sweetheart position for a former player that you want to stay involved in the organization.
I don't understand how the otherwise sensible Giants organization could hire a guy who makes comments that he doesn't want his kids thinking that homosexuals are normal and that he would trade the Giants winning the Super Bowl to stop gay marriage to become the director of player personnel in the summer that the first openly gay football player was drafted and is trying to make a team.
try not to be flip about this issue. You're equating an extremist annhilationist view with Tyree's more mainstream views. There's obviously a line beyond which publicly-espoused views will harm one's career. I'm saying that we'd better be pretty careful about moving that line closer to the mainstream because doing so is taking a big step towards making the US resemble the later Soviet system. I'm definitely not comfortable with that. Even though I don't agree with Tyree, I see nothing so far I've read in his comments (and I certainly haven't read them all) that should preclude him from holding a job.
Do we know for a fact that his predecessor, Charles Way, supported gay marriage? Should he have been asked before he got the job?
Some people hold sports to be more important than they really are. Tyree is an ex-player who is going to help other players assimilate into NFL life. That's it. No one is going to be denied an opportunity at anything over this. These are football players...not heads of state.
The guy did an IMMENSE service to the Giants and all of us, and should have a job with the team for as long as he wants it. He's earned it.
These aren't just Tyree's opinions. It's his lifestyle. Â
“So I’ll lay down everything I am to preserve the honor and integrity of the God that I serve.”
That's obviously okay for him. But giving how very strongly feels, maybe he's not the best choice for this particular job, in this particularly image conscious league, in this particularly high profile city.
try not to be flip about this issue. You're equating an extremist annhilationist view with Tyree's more mainstream views. There's obviously a line beyond which publicly-espoused views will harm one's career. I'm saying that we'd better be pretty careful about moving that line closer to the mainstream because doing so is taking a big step towards making the US resemble the later Soviet system. I'm definitely not comfortable with that. Even though I don't agree with Tyree, I see nothing so far I've read in his comments (and I certainly haven't read them all) that should preclude him from holding a job.
And time 1000, it's not about holding A job. It's about holding THIS job.
Do we know for a fact that his predecessor, Charles Way, supported gay marriage? Should he have been asked before he got the job?
Some people hold sports to be more important than they really are. Tyree is an ex-player who is going to help other players assimilate into NFL life. That's it. No one is going to be denied an opportunity at anything over this. These are football players...not heads of state.
The guy did an IMMENSE service to the Giants and all of us, and should have a job with the team for as long as he wants it. He's earned it.
And he'd trade all that service to us to rid the world of gay people marrying. He's an idiot.
why "this" job? It's some HR-type position within an entertainment corporation. Should people with unorthodox views be banned from working within HR organizations?
some of you folks are.
And soooo 'tolerant'(as long as another view aligns with yours).
2 more comments:
You presume he will discriminate(comic) in doing his job as Director of Player Development, whatever those tasks
be, while doing so would be worthy of termination;and
You presume a BLACK man will discriminate-RACISTS!-(genius).
I guess some of you never did your job in spite of having a difference of opinion about the work being done, the suervisor, the company philosophy, a co-workers life style. Or even disagreeing with Antonio Cromarties 'life-style'.
some of you folks are.
And soooo 'tolerant'(as long as another view aligns with yours).
2 more comments:
You presume he will discriminate(comic) in doing his job as Director of Player Development, whatever those tasks
be, while doing so would be worthy of termination;and
You presume a BLACK man will discriminate-RACISTS!-(genius).
I guess some of you never did your job in spite of having a difference of opinion about the work being done, the suervisor, the company philosophy, a co-workers life style. Or even disagreeing with Antonio Cromarties 'life-style'.
In my 55 years as Giants fan, this is the most inappropriate hiring I can recall. How can the giants, after all of his career, not know that he was homophobic.
One of my sons is gay, it started to show when was 2 years old. He acted much differently than his older brothers.
He wasn't "recruited"
Tyree just doesn't get it. It's determined at birth.
He should just turn down the offer, to save my Jints embarrassment.
why "this" job? It's some HR-type position within an entertainment corporation. Should people with unorthodox views be banned from working within HR organizations?
The NFL is a particularly image conscious brand at a particularly sensitive juncture in regards to this specific issue.
So hiring somebody with such an aggressive stance against the type of player/person that would be in most need of his mentorship, seems like a dumb move to me.
Its comepltely wrong to prohibit people from working based on thier personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not. All that matters is that he performs his job objectively.
^This. If he doesn't inject his personal beliefs into his work, then I can't see this being a bad move.
If he goes full Mark Jackson, on the other hand...
If certain people here would have protested him being drafted by the Giants back then if they knew what we now know about him.
I'd say probably not, considering being a player and someone in a position to help counsel and guide all the players on the team are two completely separate things.
I think it would be different if he were hired as a scout or something similar. Having him work in a role where he's with players is different.
Further, Tyree made his views on gay marriage an issue. It's a non-issue if he didn't open his mouth. So those wondering if they should ask every candidate their views on gay marriage are being morons.
I guess some of you never did your job in spite of having a difference of opinion about the work being done, the suervisor, the company philosophy, a co-workers life style.
And if any of us ever tweeted about it publicly, we would probably (and rightfully) be fired for doing so.
So what if he would? He can't. So what if he's a bible thumping fool? It's not my bag but who gives a shit? Since when did the player development guy hold sway over society?
Man, sometimes socially progressive people (a class I consider myself a part of) can be real fucking hypocrites. We want everyone's beliefs to be accepted except those that disagree with us.
I think religion is stupid and I disagree with basically everything Tyree would probably have to say about morality, social matters, etc. But so what? He works for my favorite football team...it's not like the guy is running the Board of Education.
The guy was, rightfully, an absolute hero to all of us. Now because we don't agree with him he shouldn't work for the Giants? Fuck that.
OK. You're arguing that the Giants weren't wise to offer Tyree this position given his views on gay marriage. I'm arguing that public statements in the press criticizing hirings of people with non-mainstream views are disturbing and antithetical to democracy.
Just to be precise, those views aren't mutually exclusive. Let me think about it.
Are entitled to their personal opinions. I like how so many of the special interest groups in this country who allege they are so discriminated against are so vociferous in their trampling of people's rights to have their personal views or opinions on matters.
So what if he would? He can't. So what if he's a bible thumping fool? It's not my bag but who gives a shit? Since when did the player development guy hold sway over society?
Man, sometimes socially progressive people (a class I consider myself a part of) can be real fucking hypocrites. We want everyone's beliefs to be accepted except those that disagree with us.
I think religion is stupid and I disagree with basically everything Tyree would probably have to say about morality, social matters, etc. But so what? He works for my favorite football team...it's not like the guy is running the Board of Education.
The guy was, rightfully, an absolute hero to all of us. Now because we don't agree with him he shouldn't work for the Giants? Fuck that.
As I've said all along, I think he should have a job within the organization as long as he wants one. But it shoudn't be this one.
At the time David Tyree made those statements ... Â
I'm saying that we'd better be pretty careful about moving that line closer to the mainstream because doing so is taking a big step towards making the US resemble the later Soviet system.
Yes, we're all going to be pinko commies because PRIVATE organizations choose not to hire someone that makes a public statement that they deem to be unpopular.
Holy fuck, get a grip.
Yup, religion has no place in the workplace. For normal folks like you and I, we're protected because potential employers are not allowed to ask us about religious views.
Unfortunately for David, he is a public figure and made public comments. His potential employers can read or listen to those comments and choose to hire him or not.
That's actually the opposite of pinko commie or thought police or whatever "sky is falling" bullshit that you wish to be afraid of this week. That's actually freedom. Freedom for a private organization to hire someone to represent them as they see fit.
Are entitled to their personal opinions. I like how so many of the special interest groups in this country who allege they are so discriminated against are so vociferous in their trampling of people's rights to have their personal views or opinions on matters.
It's a glorified sweetheart position for a former player that you want to stay involved in the organization.
I don't understand how the otherwise sensible Giants organization could hire a guy who makes comments that he doesn't want his kids thinking that homosexuals are normal and that he would trade the Giants winning the Super Bowl to stop gay marriage to become the director of player personnel in the summer that the first openly gay football player was drafted and is trying to make a team.
My thinking is, deep down they ataully probably agree with his views.
stop spluttering and think about the issue. First of all, Tyree isn't a "public figure." He works in an HR capacity for an entertainment corporation. And yes firing or not hiring people for holding certain views smells of authoritarianism and we'd better be careful about applying the idea.
But he would be a cancer in the locker room with his views especially if someone like Sam was on the team. We don't want a Miami situation here.
Gimme a break. 99.9% don't know anything about an NFL locker room and how it works. I doubt any of us know much about what Tyree is even going to be doing, and this entire stupid article and discussion will be forgotten probably before the first preseason game kicks off.
OK. You're arguing that the Giants weren't wise to offer Tyree this position given his views on gay marriage. I'm arguing that public statements in the press criticizing hirings of people with non-mainstream views are disturbing and antithetical to democracy.
Just to be precise, those views aren't mutually exclusive. Let me think about it.
I sincerely don't know what this has to do with 'democracy'. (Unless you really want to type 'Free Speech', but know that won't work.) Again, you want to take this very specific man, with very specific views who was given a very specific job and extrapolate it out to all of 'democracy'. It's a very specific and unique circumstance.
OK. You're arguing that the Giants weren't wise to offer Tyree this position given his views on gay marriage. I'm arguing that public statements in the press criticizing hirings of people with non-mainstream views are disturbing and antithetical to democracy.
Just to be precise, those views aren't mutually exclusive. Let me think about it.
I'm not sure you understand what a democracy is (we aren't one) or what freedom of the press is.
It depends on the job they are trying to get.
Really? Should a teacher candidate who thinks Jews should be exterminated be considered? I can do this for hours.
Definitely not. Westboro Baptist Church should have snapped him up years ago.
"Minority view"- certainly but "non-mainstream", I don't know about that.
I don't understand how the otherwise sensible Giants organization could hire a guy who makes comments that he doesn't want his kids thinking that homosexuals are normal and that he would trade the Giants winning the Super Bowl to stop gay marriage to become the director of player personnel in the summer that the first openly gay football player was drafted and is trying to make a team.
Some people hold sports to be more important than they really are. Tyree is an ex-player who is going to help other players assimilate into NFL life. That's it. No one is going to be denied an opportunity at anything over this. These are football players...not heads of state.
The guy did an IMMENSE service to the Giants and all of us, and should have a job with the team for as long as he wants it. He's earned it.
That's obviously okay for him. But giving how very strongly feels, maybe he's not the best choice for this particular job, in this particularly image conscious league, in this particularly high profile city.
And time 1000, it's not about holding A job. It's about holding THIS job.
Some people hold sports to be more important than they really are. Tyree is an ex-player who is going to help other players assimilate into NFL life. That's it. No one is going to be denied an opportunity at anything over this. These are football players...not heads of state.
The guy did an IMMENSE service to the Giants and all of us, and should have a job with the team for as long as he wants it. He's earned it.
And he'd trade all that service to us to rid the world of gay people marrying. He's an idiot.
Because he didn't express them publicly. And that's the point.
He kept whatever his feelings may be to himself.
It's once you express them publicly (as you are entitled to do) that you open yourself up to criticism for them.
Tyree wasn't asked by the Giants because he'd already expressed his thoughts all of his own doing.
And soooo 'tolerant'(as long as another view aligns with yours).
2 more comments:
You presume he will discriminate(comic) in doing his job as Director of Player Development, whatever those tasks
be, while doing so would be worthy of termination;and
You presume a BLACK man will discriminate-RACISTS!-(genius).
I guess some of you never did your job in spite of having a difference of opinion about the work being done, the suervisor, the company philosophy, a co-workers life style. Or even disagreeing with Antonio Cromarties 'life-style'.
And soooo 'tolerant'(as long as another view aligns with yours).
2 more comments:
You presume he will discriminate(comic) in doing his job as Director of Player Development, whatever those tasks
be, while doing so would be worthy of termination;and
You presume a BLACK man will discriminate-RACISTS!-(genius).
I guess some of you never did your job in spite of having a difference of opinion about the work being done, the suervisor, the company philosophy, a co-workers life style. Or even disagreeing with Antonio Cromarties 'life-style'.
You are awful.
One of my sons is gay, it started to show when was 2 years old. He acted much differently than his older brothers.
He wasn't "recruited"
Tyree just doesn't get it. It's determined at birth.
He should just turn down the offer, to save my Jints embarrassment.
The NFL is a particularly image conscious brand at a particularly sensitive juncture in regards to this specific issue.
^This. If he doesn't inject his personal beliefs into his work, then I can't see this being a bad move.
If he goes full Mark Jackson, on the other hand...
I'd say probably not, considering being a player and someone in a position to help counsel and guide all the players on the team are two completely separate things.
Further, Tyree made his views on gay marriage an issue. It's a non-issue if he didn't open his mouth. So those wondering if they should ask every candidate their views on gay marriage are being morons.
And if any of us ever tweeted about it publicly, we would probably (and rightfully) be fired for doing so.
Man, sometimes socially progressive people (a class I consider myself a part of) can be real fucking hypocrites. We want everyone's beliefs to be accepted except those that disagree with us.
I think religion is stupid and I disagree with basically everything Tyree would probably have to say about morality, social matters, etc. But so what? He works for my favorite football team...it's not like the guy is running the Board of Education.
The guy was, rightfully, an absolute hero to all of us. Now because we don't agree with him he shouldn't work for the Giants? Fuck that.
I wouldn't have an issue, but it's different when he's in the position he was just hired for.
Just to be precise, those views aren't mutually exclusive. Let me think about it.
More PC nonsense. Another thought crime for the perpetually offended.
I dunno... seems like Tyree and his ilk are the sort of people more inclined to seek punishment for thought crimes.
Man, sometimes socially progressive people (a class I consider myself a part of) can be real fucking hypocrites. We want everyone's beliefs to be accepted except those that disagree with us.
I think religion is stupid and I disagree with basically everything Tyree would probably have to say about morality, social matters, etc. But so what? He works for my favorite football team...it's not like the guy is running the Board of Education.
The guy was, rightfully, an absolute hero to all of us. Now because we don't agree with him he shouldn't work for the Giants? Fuck that.
As I've said all along, I think he should have a job within the organization as long as he wants one. But it shoudn't be this one.
Yes, we're all going to be pinko commies because PRIVATE organizations choose not to hire someone that makes a public statement that they deem to be unpopular.
Holy fuck, get a grip.
Yup, religion has no place in the workplace. For normal folks like you and I, we're protected because potential employers are not allowed to ask us about religious views.
Unfortunately for David, he is a public figure and made public comments. His potential employers can read or listen to those comments and choose to hire him or not.
That's actually the opposite of pinko commie or thought police or whatever "sky is falling" bullshit that you wish to be afraid of this week. That's actually freedom. Freedom for a private organization to hire someone to represent them as they see fit.
I don't understand how the otherwise sensible Giants organization could hire a guy who makes comments that he doesn't want his kids thinking that homosexuals are normal and that he would trade the Giants winning the Super Bowl to stop gay marriage to become the director of player personnel in the summer that the first openly gay football player was drafted and is trying to make a team.
My thinking is, deep down they ataully probably agree with his views.
Sammo284 : 11:38 am : link : reply
Are entitled to their personal opinions
The problem is that Tyree made them public. Otherwise, how would any of us know his personal opinions?
Gimme a break. 99.9% don't know anything about an NFL locker room and how it works. I doubt any of us know much about what Tyree is even going to be doing, and this entire stupid article and discussion will be forgotten probably before the first preseason game kicks off.
Just to be precise, those views aren't mutually exclusive. Let me think about it.
I sincerely don't know what this has to do with 'democracy'. (Unless you really want to type 'Free Speech', but know that won't work.) Again, you want to take this very specific man, with very specific views who was given a very specific job and extrapolate it out to all of 'democracy'. It's a very specific and unique circumstance.
Just to be precise, those views aren't mutually exclusive. Let me think about it.
I'm not sure you understand what a democracy is (we aren't one) or what freedom of the press is.