You do realize that setting a precedent that it's OK for you to demand that someone who holds what you consider a wrong political opinion not be gainfully employed can backfire and be turned on you one day, correct?
You do realize that setting a precedent that it's OK for you to demand that someone who holds what you consider a wrong political opinion not be gainfully employed can backfire and be turned on you one day, correct?
Who is saying he shouldn't be gainfully employed? Good gravy, people are really trying to not get it now...
Seeing as how there are millions of people with differing viewpoints who hold his views, he can easily find a job. That's not limiting gainful employment. He had a job before in the NFL, and that's acceptable.
I don't think he suits this position, and I certainly have the right to complain.
How this translates to employment on a broader scale is pure fantasy.
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Don't agree with me on political issues to fire them.
Either you agree with me, because I have the only valid opinion possible, or you cannot be gainfully employed.
Perfectly reasonable, no?
"reasonable" is a loaded term in this context. you are certainly within your legal rights to make a petition of that nature and the company is certainly within its legal rights to either respond to the petition and discipline or fire the employee(s) in question or, more likely, completely ignore you.
whether either party is acting "reasonably" in your scenario is a matter of opinion. you think it would be unreasonable to make such a petition, but others who are actually offended by what Tyree said probably don't agree. would you begrudge them their freedom of speech in choosing to write to the team? or are you suggesting that their speech should be suppressed because you don't agree with it?
Thats treue also. How Graziano makes the jump form Tyree saying he doesn't approve, to all of a sudden claiming hateful and damaging actions is bullshit.I'm tired of this hysterical whining
bullshit and will fight it wherever I find it.who the hell is graziano to be telling us what we should or shouldn't approve of.I leave you alone, you leave me alone, but go fuck yourselves wheb you want to tell me how to think or nake moral judgements on it, cause guess what, then ill start passing moral judgements on other people for being dicksucks. And i don't really give a shit who it offends anymore. those who are offended tend to be the most vile sorts of people anyway.most parts of the world fagotism is treated as a mental illness, or a crime.i don't really give a shit is some closeted fag in the giants locker room was thinking about coming out and now feels he can't. Maybe we get lucky and he asks to be traded, and furthermore others of their ilk avoid signign with us in the future. If Mara and Tasxh had that in mind, Bravo.The whole soncept of them " scrambling for damage control" is hirseshit. The did it, and they don't give 2 shits who is butthurt over it.Theyw ant to hire a gay player, go right ahead. They want to hire 20, thats fine too.They want to hire a gay GM< i'm down with that also. But don't presume to tell me how to feel about it. What a man thinks in his own head id his own fucking business, and he has a right to express it if he wants.
You wanna call me a bigot, go right ahead.Doesn't make me one.somehow now saying anything other than promoting fagotry is a hate crime. i call bullshit.Also tyree is right. Go find the fag gene, otherwise shut the fuck up about how you were born this way and can't help yourself.Bigots make you sick? Fagots make me sick. too bad.If me saying thst is a crime, then I think you are a sick twisted bastard.Tyree has every right to hisd opinion and doesnt owe his integrity as a man and a human being to an employer. There are plenty of ameerican men whio think homosexuality is sick and disgussting, but they simply wont say so in public because they might be adversely affected. these men are characterless weasels. At least Tyree has the courage of his convictions.anyone don't like my opinion can go pound it up their ass along with whatever else they like to shove up there.Graziano makes me sick.
Not allowing gay people to get married is by itself anti-gay.
That's a crime? tens of thousands of years pf precedingh mankind all all eveil criminals, but the modern evolved fag, who emerges from the world of global warming, environmetal destruction, endless wars,millions up on millions of abortions a year, this man is the new standard, to be upheld, admired and followed? LIke a q940 Ubermensch, maybe?I don't think so dude. your just another in a long list of assholes who inhabit the earth who fucked it up just like the peopel whoi came beforew them with their own list of petty prejudices and grudges.You hold no moral high ground, so go live your life as you weish, and stop trying to convince everyone else it's the way to be. You do like it when religious types do it, do you? No. So please, just go about your business and shut the fuck up.
Not allowing gay people to get married is by itself anti-gay.
who empowered you to redefine marriage? If the individual states vote on it to accept it, so be it, we live in a democracy.we abide by the rule of law.when you try and villify and demonize those who dont share your view then that is something else entirely.that's just force on force. and when you appeal to force, don't cry if you lose.
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I have no idea if there's someone out there that's better qualified for the job than Tyree.
I would think it has been made clear to him that his religious views/views on homosexuality aren't to be brought to work.
I'm really hoping that the 'hoopla' about this is just that, and that his personal views won't have any effect on how well he does his job.
ytou think so, cam? you think Mara, as a devout catholic, and Tisch, as a devout jew, are approving of homosexual lifestyles?I dont think so. LIke me they would probably hire one if he was the best guy for the job, but that doesn't constitute approval.
If you can differentiate between lack of approval, and persecution, then you are the problem, not the other fellow.
That's true, but the "there's no scientific evidence that you're born gay" is beyond moronic.
I totally agree. That is a very dumb statement.
link, bitch, or GTFO. there is no evidence.ancient greeks, Romans, Pederastic relationships, convicts, any many other examples can be used to make the case tat in a great many instances, it is simply a lifestyle choice.
Hey, make you choice, thats your right. live how you are happy. just stop trying to tell other people how to feel about you or judge you. If I commit no crime, show no discrimination in hiring or business practices, and for the most part keep my views on your lifestyle to myself, then it's really nomn of your fucking business what I think or how I view it. I am as free to say a homsexual lifestyle is a matter of choice ny damaged individuals are you are gree to say that it isnt, and we both have the same right to call each other mentally ill. ( except I'm right and you're not). I'm not afraid of an argument with a militant homophile.most of you are hysterics anyway and easy to deal with.
No. Enough. Being against gay marriage is the symptom of you thinking them to be lesser people who are living their lives incorrectly.
you and you're mind reading leftist belshevik bullshit is getting tiring.You missed your calling, guy, you should have grown up in st petersburg in 1917.You dont have a fucking clue how anyone thinks so stop pretending you do.
o tired of your whining " I'm a victimized little flower' horsehit.
You don't have the courage of your convictions. you cant, and never could make your case without resorting to hysterics and insults. you're an empty.to many of you arounbd here like that, and then comes the disgusting part where you all weep on each other shoulders and console each other. Why\ because Tyree got hired as head of player development and doesnt share your politics? Please, just fuckoff
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It's mostly a legal contract. Which is why they can be held just about anywhere other than a church.
"mostly a legal contract" to who?Again, it is amazing how progressives feel quite free to define what other peoplemnthink, feel and believe.Me, my family, everyone I know views it as a religious sacrament.you however say otherwise. Based on what authority? certainly not gods, you're an atheist?other than power, and the ability to enforce your rules, your logic, your outlook, your definitions of what is or isn't marraige, or law for that matter, by force, where do you derive an authority from?
Legally, same sex unions are legal in NY and NJ, so there is that. Where I live that is not the case.My point is you dont recognize god, so the ability to govern comes simply from power, in all its forms, including the ability to ridicule and marginalize oppposition.It just sound so very much like george bush" you're either with us or againbst us"..
It's been stated very early in thge thread, if you do no support same sex marraige then you are discriminating against them and pesecuting them and denying them theur rights, ) whilst at the same time redefining an institution thousands of years old simply so you can get tax benifits) after all, you yourself said it's simply a "legal" matter, that comes down to the preservation and dispensation of material assets. Thats how you view it.you see yourselves as persecuted, denied your rights and liberties. I understand that, and I dont think anyone should be denied employment because of their sexual preferences.Once again, I'll try and make the point that I'm sure will get lost, always gets lost, because the one side has a NEED to villify the other ( and i think thats frankly because their case doesnt stand up under Close inspection, so any real discussion must be squelched at the outset by advocates of gay rights)If for my part am very willing to consider other peopels views, and needs, and even to make movements to meet their needs, if and when i see i am dealinh with good faith partners. I dont find progressives, or most gay rights activists to be such partners.Same reason we cant have an honest discussion about racism in this country and probably won't ever be able to.
One mans contract is another mans sacrament, whether you ridicule or respect it or not. the part that cracks me up is the latent inherent hypocrisy, where you mock and bellittle others beliefs and then get indignant when people dont supoort your own warped agenda.
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it's that he used the biggest stage he could to speak against others, and the momentum of acceptance and legalization of gay marraige stands directly in opposition to what he said. the fact that it's a player development position, i cant speak with absolute certainty to what that entails but, i'd think it's ultimately about preparing each and every player in the organization for success. it's going to be tricky... although I do think Tyree is a good person to try and inspire confidence in young players who need to prove themselves in their craft on the biggest stages. but football isn't everything....
This is a well thought out post I can't really argue with.
on the subject, whether he's on the wrong side of the issue or not, but it would have been much better for him and the Giants had he just kept that personal belief, you know, personal.
But as soon as he expressed it publicly, he opened himself up to criticism for it, and given the position he's been hired for, I think it's reasonable to question whether or not that belief will interfere with his ability to perform that job.
Maybe I'm seeing this with blue shades on, but I have to think that the Giants addressed this during their vetting process and he gave them some indication that he wouldn't let his beliefs interfere with the job should such an occasion arise. Who knows, maybe he's had a change of heart. I certainly hope so, at least.
Why would it have been better?What if he felt strongly about it and it was important to him.What if he thought that taking thre institution of marriage, and desanctifying consitutued a direct attack on his church, his faith, his religious beliefs, and that furthermore, it would help shape the values of a nation where you no longer had a seperation between church and state, but rather a SUBJUGATION of church to state.you dont know what thought, what importance, what assesments he put into his comments. They my have been very well thought out.He may not have been seeking to avoid criticisism. he may have wanted an open debate.Furthermore, I don't know you can be so very sure that his attitudes and values do not reflect those of thwe Giants organization. I think the Tisaches and Maras being devoutly religious, he may in fact reflect their views.
Further still, it is quite possible those views are misrepresented.Just becayse certain parties try and force others to make a choice, to put them on the horns of a dilemna, so to speak, by saying you either support gay marraige or you are an evil bigot ( which is kinda funny, coming from a crowd of atheists), mybe thats there way of saying no, that is not the case.Most people I know thiin k like me
they oppose gay marriage, think homosexuality is disgusting, would work with gay people, would hire them, would socialize with them, and just simply avoid that aspect of their life that the dont approve of, the same way I have feinds that like to get high. I dont. i thik itsa illegal, dangerous and stupid. doesnt affect my relationshp, i just avoid that aspect of it.
The fact is the homosexual; community seems to display some deep need for not only tolerance, which is all we really owe each other over anything, but open outright acceptance, and if you dont you are evil.to me it is it's own sort of tyranny, and to try and impose that on david tyree is bullshit.
what you dont get is that most people, fpor the most part simply ignore the sexual habits of other people, and dont really give a shit. but it doesnt mean i should teach my children it's a valid lifestyle choice.Plain and simply, for any practicing montheist of any Abrahamic religion, it isn't.And that's not my say so.
Are all gays atheists? or do they just cherry pick what parts of their religions to practice?
He's the batshit crazy gift you wish would stop giving Â
Does someone who believes that life begins at conception and opposes abortion be denied a job because it is a minority viewpoint? Does it mean they are disqualified from working for a WNBA team? Will it reach the point that affiliation with a particular political party is the basis for rejection from employment?
I think you have to look to how he does his job. If he discriminates, or tries to "cure" a gay player, it would be a firing offense. If he spends most of his free time at anti-gay marriage rallies it might affect his ability to do his job. But merely holding an unpopular belief should not be a disqualifying act.
What an excellent post.The issue here to me isn't homosexuality ( i could give a shit who is gay and who isn't)but rather the threat of progressive censorship to democracy.
Tyree is a fucking Hero. Did nothing wrong. BUT there re those. even on here, who whould make politicl hay, and seek to politicize the job( as if it was some sort of federallly appointed job that we as voters had some say over).
Americans are idiots, plain and simple. we've just lost 2 wars ( does anyone think that in 10 years time we will be allied with either Iraq or afghanistan)Gaza burns, rockets rain down on Israel, More and more russian troops pour into the Ukraine every day, the Japanese are now talking to the north koreans and telling us that we would have to ask permission from japan to delpoy any of our units based on jap soil, Americam Brigades, squadrons, ships, decomission before the end of their service life to fund one program( the F-35) that doesnt work, cant turn, is slow as fuck, cant carry any real paylod, has no range, and it's the one thing we as a nation are spending money on. Oh yeah, and importing hordes of Mexican children.These are partisan issues. These are universal issues that will affect our future, but what concerns us is whether or not David Tyree, a goddamn hero whobrought you the best moment of sports entertainament any of you ever saw in yor lif, is fit to behead of developing the character of young players, and preparing them for life after the NFL. Is the great fear that he will leave out the part where they teach how to cruise Twink bars?
“If they pass this gay marriage bill ... this will be the beginning of our country sliding toward — it’s a strong word — but anarchy. The moment we have, and if you trace back to other cultures, other countries, that will be the moment where our society itself loses its grip with what’s right. ... Marriage is the backbone of society, so if you redefine it, it changes the way we educate our children, it changes the perception of what is good, what is right, what is just,” Tyree said in a videotaped interview.
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Tyree continues his crusade against same-sex marriage, telling the New York Daily News that he’d be inclined to trade one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history to prevent men from legally marrying other men.
“The catch was a gift, it’s not like I’d try to do it. I couldn’t do it again so that was a miracle,” Tyree told Kenneth Lovett of the Daily News. “There’s nothing worth more than [maintaining heterosexual marriage] right here for me.”
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‘I don’t want my kids to think homosexuals are normal.’”
4%of americans are homosexuals.$% is not considered a norm in any case study or demographic.
Hysterics. What crusade? where are his legions? Has be brought seige engine to the walls of soho and chelsea? has his armies landed on fire Island?Have his divisions taken san francisco. His crusade, you say.
This is why I laugh. all is bullshit, hysterics, histrionics womans wailing and crying and lamentations and wringing of hands. What next, will you present the bodies of those slain By Tyree the fearsome, the fagslayer, and ululate in public over the corpses?Nothing you say has any bearing on anything vaguely resembling reality. Just all bullshit and hysterics to play the victim, the poor wilted flowers, who seek to destroy our institutions, and way of life, as they vilify those who would oppose them.Phooey on you.
You never want ‘I don’t want my kids to think homosexuals are normal.’” to be on your permanent public record.
Why?Actually, I wouldn't say that. I might say " I don't want my kids to think homosexuality is normal." there is a difference to me between saying the person isn't normal, and the choice of lifestyle isn't.Kinda like alchoholism, crminality, drug addiction, or simply a choice or never bathing are also abnormal lifestyle choices
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I don't think it's so mysterious. Tyree is a guy who overcame drug problems to have a successful football career amidst the temptations of playing in NY.
If that's the criteria, LT would have been a better choice.
Really, in your infinite wisdom, that's who your choice of head of player development would be? Lawrence Taylor? I think that says all we need to know about your judgement
hey, why should they be any different and not suffer miserably in the courts trying to extricate themselves from a love affair gone wrong?
That said, anyone who thinks that there isn't a very significant percentage of people who think gay marriage is wrong is outright wrong. Heck, when I merely suggested it's ok to people who haven't set foot in a church in years (other than to watch someone get married or buried) I was told how wrong it was. legal rights are ok, but call it marriage? No way.
I'm really mixed on this. On the one hand I hold the view that non conformity makes it hard for someone to get a job, so I'm intolerant. On the other hand, I think you have a right to non conformity, and most people agree with this right. And I think most of these people will come up with all kinds of faulty reasoning for rationalizing that they don't demand conformity. Here, a non conformist (to the PC correct world) espouses his views, gets a job, and there's a sizeable portion of people who claim it's a problem when there is zero evidence that it is.
Let's get real. No one here is going to stop rooting for the Giants because of Tyree's views. The gay world in general or the gay NFL world is not going to be set back a generation because Tyree is now the guy who advises players on whatever the the position advises them on. Just like Charles Way, it's going to be a story when the guys gets the job, and no one will ever think of it again unless they have an agenda they want to push.
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There is a large segment of the population that I could totally be banging if only I could figure out how to make myself get aroused. Fat chicks need love too, ya know?
I think some of those comments are nuts and idiotic. Let's not dilute the issue by waving away how oddball they are. Should someone be professionally harmed for holding non-mainstream views on a subject?
Definitely not. Westboro Baptist Church should have snapped him up years ago.
shouldn't you be in the office printing posters to elect Gus Hall?
Sure, populist cries for firing may not be uniformly desirable, but it's the private equivalent of voting enfranchisement on the public side.
Either you agree with me, because I have the only valid opinion possible, or you cannot be gainfully employed.
Perfectly reasonable, no?
A more apt analogy would be petitioning employers to fire all blacks. Though it would be funny to watch that one backfire...
And an employer can certainly try to choose a homogeneous political ideology. But the economic harms can go both ways...
Who is saying he shouldn't be gainfully employed? Good gravy, people are really trying to not get it now...
Seeing as how there are millions of people with differing viewpoints who hold his views, he can easily find a job. That's not limiting gainful employment. He had a job before in the NFL, and that's acceptable.
I don't think he suits this position, and I certainly have the right to complain.
How this translates to employment on a broader scale is pure fantasy.
Either you agree with me, because I have the only valid opinion possible, or you cannot be gainfully employed.
Perfectly reasonable, no?
"reasonable" is a loaded term in this context. you are certainly within your legal rights to make a petition of that nature and the company is certainly within its legal rights to either respond to the petition and discipline or fire the employee(s) in question or, more likely, completely ignore you.
whether either party is acting "reasonably" in your scenario is a matter of opinion. you think it would be unreasonable to make such a petition, but others who are actually offended by what Tyree said probably don't agree. would you begrudge them their freedom of speech in choosing to write to the team? or are you suggesting that their speech should be suppressed because you don't agree with it?
bullshit and will fight it wherever I find it.who the hell is graziano to be telling us what we should or shouldn't approve of.I leave you alone, you leave me alone, but go fuck yourselves wheb you want to tell me how to think or nake moral judgements on it, cause guess what, then ill start passing moral judgements on other people for being dicksucks. And i don't really give a shit who it offends anymore. those who are offended tend to be the most vile sorts of people anyway.most parts of the world fagotism is treated as a mental illness, or a crime.i don't really give a shit is some closeted fag in the giants locker room was thinking about coming out and now feels he can't. Maybe we get lucky and he asks to be traded, and furthermore others of their ilk avoid signign with us in the future. If Mara and Tasxh had that in mind, Bravo.The whole soncept of them " scrambling for damage control" is hirseshit. The did it, and they don't give 2 shits who is butthurt over it.Theyw ant to hire a gay player, go right ahead. They want to hire 20, thats fine too.They want to hire a gay GM< i'm down with that also. But don't presume to tell me how to feel about it. What a man thinks in his own head id his own fucking business, and he has a right to express it if he wants.
You wanna call me a bigot, go right ahead.Doesn't make me one.somehow now saying anything other than promoting fagotry is a hate crime. i call bullshit.Also tyree is right. Go find the fag gene, otherwise shut the fuck up about how you were born this way and can't help yourself.Bigots make you sick? Fagots make me sick. too bad.If me saying thst is a crime, then I think you are a sick twisted bastard.Tyree has every right to hisd opinion and doesnt owe his integrity as a man and a human being to an employer. There are plenty of ameerican men whio think homosexuality is sick and disgussting, but they simply wont say so in public because they might be adversely affected. these men are characterless weasels. At least Tyree has the courage of his convictions.anyone don't like my opinion can go pound it up their ass along with whatever else they like to shove up there.Graziano makes me sick.
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
Not allowing gay people to get married is by itself anti-gay.
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
Not allowing gay people to get married is by itself anti-gay.
I would think it has been made clear to him that his religious views/views on homosexuality aren't to be brought to work.
I'm really hoping that the 'hoopla' about this is just that, and that his personal views won't have any effect on how well he does his job.
If you can differentiate between lack of approval, and persecution, then you are the problem, not the other fellow.
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That's true, but the "there's no scientific evidence that you're born gay" is beyond moronic.
I totally agree. That is a very dumb statement.
Hey, make you choice, thats your right. live how you are happy. just stop trying to tell other people how to feel about you or judge you. If I commit no crime, show no discrimination in hiring or business practices, and for the most part keep my views on your lifestyle to myself, then it's really nomn of your fucking business what I think or how I view it. I am as free to say a homsexual lifestyle is a matter of choice ny damaged individuals are you are gree to say that it isnt, and we both have the same right to call each other mentally ill. ( except I'm right and you're not). I'm not afraid of an argument with a militant homophile.most of you are hysterics anyway and easy to deal with.
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
No. Enough. Being against gay marriage is the symptom of you thinking them to be lesser people who are living their lives incorrectly.
o tired of your whining " I'm a victimized little flower' horsehit.
You don't have the courage of your convictions. you cant, and never could make your case without resorting to hysterics and insults. you're an empty.to many of you arounbd here like that, and then comes the disgusting part where you all weep on each other shoulders and console each other. Why\ because Tyree got hired as head of player development and doesnt share your politics? Please, just fuckoff
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And not be anti-gay or a homophobe.
I don't think you'll find a gay person to agree with you.
I'm sure I won't. But for some it is about their views on what marriage is. It doesn't have to be about disliking people who are gay.
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It's mostly a legal contract. Which is why they can be held just about anywhere other than a church.
"mostly a legal contract" to who?Again, it is amazing how progressives feel quite free to define what other peoplemnthink, feel and believe.Me, my family, everyone I know views it as a religious sacrament.you however say otherwise. Based on what authority? certainly not gods, you're an atheist?other than power, and the ability to enforce your rules, your logic, your outlook, your definitions of what is or isn't marraige, or law for that matter, by force, where do you derive an authority from?
Legally, same sex unions are legal in NY and NJ, so there is that. Where I live that is not the case.My point is you dont recognize god, so the ability to govern comes simply from power, in all its forms, including the ability to ridicule and marginalize oppposition.It just sound so very much like george bush" you're either with us or againbst us"..
It's been stated very early in thge thread, if you do no support same sex marraige then you are discriminating against them and pesecuting them and denying them theur rights, ) whilst at the same time redefining an institution thousands of years old simply so you can get tax benifits) after all, you yourself said it's simply a "legal" matter, that comes down to the preservation and dispensation of material assets. Thats how you view it.you see yourselves as persecuted, denied your rights and liberties. I understand that, and I dont think anyone should be denied employment because of their sexual preferences.Once again, I'll try and make the point that I'm sure will get lost, always gets lost, because the one side has a NEED to villify the other ( and i think thats frankly because their case doesnt stand up under Close inspection, so any real discussion must be squelched at the outset by advocates of gay rights)If for my part am very willing to consider other peopels views, and needs, and even to make movements to meet their needs, if and when i see i am dealinh with good faith partners. I dont find progressives, or most gay rights activists to be such partners.Same reason we cant have an honest discussion about racism in this country and probably won't ever be able to.
One mans contract is another mans sacrament, whether you ridicule or respect it or not. the part that cracks me up is the latent inherent hypocrisy, where you mock and bellittle others beliefs and then get indignant when people dont supoort your own warped agenda.
But as soon as he expressed it publicly, he opened himself up to criticism for it, and given the position he's been hired for, I think it's reasonable to question whether or not that belief will interfere with his ability to perform that job.
Maybe I'm seeing this with blue shades on, but I have to think that the Giants addressed this during their vetting process and he gave them some indication that he wouldn't let his beliefs interfere with the job should such an occasion arise. Who knows, maybe he's had a change of heart. I certainly hope so, at least.
Why would it have been better?What if he felt strongly about it and it was important to him.What if he thought that taking thre institution of marriage, and desanctifying consitutued a direct attack on his church, his faith, his religious beliefs, and that furthermore, it would help shape the values of a nation where you no longer had a seperation between church and state, but rather a SUBJUGATION of church to state.you dont know what thought, what importance, what assesments he put into his comments. They my have been very well thought out.He may not have been seeking to avoid criticisism. he may have wanted an open debate.Furthermore, I don't know you can be so very sure that his attitudes and values do not reflect those of thwe Giants organization. I think the Tisaches and Maras being devoutly religious, he may in fact reflect their views.
Further still, it is quite possible those views are misrepresented.Just becayse certain parties try and force others to make a choice, to put them on the horns of a dilemna, so to speak, by saying you either support gay marraige or you are an evil bigot ( which is kinda funny, coming from a crowd of atheists), mybe thats there way of saying no, that is not the case.Most people I know thiin k like me
they oppose gay marriage, think homosexuality is disgusting, would work with gay people, would hire them, would socialize with them, and just simply avoid that aspect of their life that the dont approve of, the same way I have feinds that like to get high. I dont. i thik itsa illegal, dangerous and stupid. doesnt affect my relationshp, i just avoid that aspect of it.
The fact is the homosexual; community seems to display some deep need for not only tolerance, which is all we really owe each other over anything, but open outright acceptance, and if you dont you are evil.to me it is it's own sort of tyranny, and to try and impose that on david tyree is bullshit.
what you dont get is that most people, fpor the most part simply ignore the sexual habits of other people, and dont really give a shit. but it doesnt mean i should teach my children it's a valid lifestyle choice.Plain and simply, for any practicing montheist of any Abrahamic religion, it isn't.And that's not my say so.
Are all gays atheists? or do they just cherry pick what parts of their religions to practice?
It's Bucky.
Does he have much else going for him?
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I think you have to look to how he does his job. If he discriminates, or tries to "cure" a gay player, it would be a firing offense. If he spends most of his free time at anti-gay marriage rallies it might affect his ability to do his job. But merely holding an unpopular belief should not be a disqualifying act.
Tyree is a fucking Hero. Did nothing wrong. BUT there re those. even on here, who whould make politicl hay, and seek to politicize the job( as if it was some sort of federallly appointed job that we as voters had some say over).
Americans are idiots, plain and simple. we've just lost 2 wars ( does anyone think that in 10 years time we will be allied with either Iraq or afghanistan)Gaza burns, rockets rain down on Israel, More and more russian troops pour into the Ukraine every day, the Japanese are now talking to the north koreans and telling us that we would have to ask permission from japan to delpoy any of our units based on jap soil, Americam Brigades, squadrons, ships, decomission before the end of their service life to fund one program( the F-35) that doesnt work, cant turn, is slow as fuck, cant carry any real paylod, has no range, and it's the one thing we as a nation are spending money on. Oh yeah, and importing hordes of Mexican children.These are partisan issues. These are universal issues that will affect our future, but what concerns us is whether or not David Tyree, a goddamn hero whobrought you the best moment of sports entertainament any of you ever saw in yor lif, is fit to behead of developing the character of young players, and preparing them for life after the NFL. Is the great fear that he will leave out the part where they teach how to cruise Twink bars?
On the money. A shitstain, for sure. And since when is the use of "fag" an acceptable term here?
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leaving all others behind, old man has shown up to win the dumb.
I had no idea what was coming our way.
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Because he had to get over Tyree being black before he could support him for hating homosexuality. Decisions, decisions.
On the money. A shitstain, for sure. And since when is the use of "fag" an acceptable term here?
Based on the post above, right around the same time "jap" became acceptable.
Which one?
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“If they pass this gay marriage bill ... this will be the beginning of our country sliding toward — it’s a strong word — but anarchy. The moment we have, and if you trace back to other cultures, other countries, that will be the moment where our society itself loses its grip with what’s right. ... Marriage is the backbone of society, so if you redefine it, it changes the way we educate our children, it changes the perception of what is good, what is right, what is just,” Tyree said in a videotaped interview.
Or here….
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Tyree continues his crusade against same-sex marriage, telling the New York Daily News that he’d be inclined to trade one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history to prevent men from legally marrying other men.
“The catch was a gift, it’s not like I’d try to do it. I couldn’t do it again so that was a miracle,” Tyree told Kenneth Lovett of the Daily News. “There’s nothing worth more than [maintaining heterosexual marriage] right here for me.”
And definitely here….
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‘I don’t want my kids to think homosexuals are normal.’”
Hysterics. What crusade? where are his legions? Has be brought seige engine to the walls of soho and chelsea? has his armies landed on fire Island?Have his divisions taken san francisco. His crusade, you say.
This is why I laugh. all is bullshit, hysterics, histrionics womans wailing and crying and lamentations and wringing of hands. What next, will you present the bodies of those slain By Tyree the fearsome, the fagslayer, and ululate in public over the corpses?Nothing you say has any bearing on anything vaguely resembling reality. Just all bullshit and hysterics to play the victim, the poor wilted flowers, who seek to destroy our institutions, and way of life, as they vilify those who would oppose them.Phooey on you.
Which is a huge win for humanities genetic pool.
A limited vocab will do that.
You never want ‘I don’t want my kids to think homosexuals are normal.’” to be on your permanent public record.
Why?Actually, I wouldn't say that. I might say " I don't want my kids to think homosexuality is normal." there is a difference to me between saying the person isn't normal, and the choice of lifestyle isn't.Kinda like alchoholism, crminality, drug addiction, or simply a choice or never bathing are also abnormal lifestyle choices
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Not sure what makes Tyree so special.
I don't think it's so mysterious. Tyree is a guy who overcame drug problems to have a successful football career amidst the temptations of playing in NY.
If that's the criteria, LT would have been a better choice.
That said, anyone who thinks that there isn't a very significant percentage of people who think gay marriage is wrong is outright wrong. Heck, when I merely suggested it's ok to people who haven't set foot in a church in years (other than to watch someone get married or buried) I was told how wrong it was. legal rights are ok, but call it marriage? No way.
I'm really mixed on this. On the one hand I hold the view that non conformity makes it hard for someone to get a job, so I'm intolerant. On the other hand, I think you have a right to non conformity, and most people agree with this right. And I think most of these people will come up with all kinds of faulty reasoning for rationalizing that they don't demand conformity. Here, a non conformist (to the PC correct world) espouses his views, gets a job, and there's a sizeable portion of people who claim it's a problem when there is zero evidence that it is.
Let's get real. No one here is going to stop rooting for the Giants because of Tyree's views. The gay world in general or the gay NFL world is not going to be set back a generation because Tyree is now the guy who advises players on whatever the the position advises them on. Just like Charles Way, it's going to be a story when the guys gets the job, and no one will ever think of it again unless they have an agenda they want to push.
Is there a trick to it? If so, please share.
There is a large segment of the population that I could totally be banging if only I could figure out how to make myself get aroused. Fat chicks need love too, ya know?
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I think some of those comments are nuts and idiotic. Let's not dilute the issue by waving away how oddball they are. Should someone be professionally harmed for holding non-mainstream views on a subject?
Definitely not. Westboro Baptist Church should have snapped him up years ago.