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NFT: Jacob deGrom

Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 11:22 am
is a beast.

The kid has been dominant. Oh and lemme tell ya, this kid is an athlete - he can handle the bat.
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he has been great  
oipolloi : 7/23/2014 11:25 am : link
but we also have to see how he does the second and third time through the league

So... who is getting packaged for Tulo  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 11:25 am : link
??

Niese, d'Arnaud or Plawecki, & Montero or Syndergaard
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arcarsenal : 7/23/2014 11:26 am : link
He's AWASOM.
Recently surpassed Joe Smith  
kmed : 7/23/2014 11:27 am : link
as the best young pitcher in the game.
Tulo  
pjcas18 : 7/23/2014 11:27 am : link
on the DL at the worst time for the Rockies.

Injuries are a concern with him.
Niese's  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:33 am : link
shoulder suppresses his trade value.
I'd move Gee before Niese  
jlukes : 7/23/2014 11:34 am : link
need a lefty in the rotation
Aside from Tulo  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 11:37 am : link
who is another young bat that the Mets can trade some assets for? A guy that changes the face of a franchise already trending in the right direction.

Free agents in the MLB aren't what they used to be. Most are locked up early by the team that brought em up - gotta acquire a legit bat via trade and then maybe a solid vet in FA.

Shortstop, corner OF, maybe First Base are the targets.
Convince Arizona  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 11:40 am : link
to move Goldschmidt?!
Gee gets moved over Niese  
Shecky : 7/23/2014 11:41 am : link
And that's because of the finances. They were smart enough to wrap up Niese early. Her is still controllable for two yard but is entering the Murohy area. He will no longer be grossly underpaid. Her ha surprisingly high value around the league as well.
Stanton is the seem scenario  
Shecky : 7/23/2014 11:42 am : link
Perfect fit. Would be a star in NY. And Alderson wants him badly. A shame it isn't likely to happen.
Niese is a tough guy to trade  
Deej : 7/23/2014 11:43 am : link
He and Matz (ETA 2016, maybe mid/late 2015?) are the only lefty SPs on the 40 man. Only other notable lefty SP arm in the system right now might be Blake Taylor (DOB 8/95), who will not see the majors before 2017 (more likely in 2018 or after, if ever).
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:45 am : link
looking to debate Carlos Gonzalez again but I suspect he's the "best" young bat who will be available.
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:46 am : link
see any way the Mets could land Stanton. The price would likely START with Wheeler and Thor. A team like Pittsburgh, Chicago or Texas likely lands Stanton (if he's traded at all).
Goldschmidt  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:47 am : link
has the best contract in baseball. Never gonna be able to land him.
Goldschmidt  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:49 am : link
is signed through 2019 for 43.3 million, for comparisons sake Wright will make 95 million over the same period.
Never say never  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 11:50 am : link
but you're prob right on Goldschmidt.

Cargo could help for the right price.
Matt Reynolds  
PA Giant Fan : 7/23/2014 11:54 am : link
Is this guy for real? Seems like a breakout year, doesnt have a lot of power but hitting 300 and young at AAA.

Looks like he is a slump right now but how does he project?
It's  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:54 am : link
pretty close to "never" on Goldschmidt unless again you are emptying out the cupboard for one player aka Wheeler AND Thor. What's the incentive for Arizona to deal a cost-controlled MVP caliber, young player without being ridiculously blown away? Sure any player is attainable if you pay a crazy price but would that even be a smart move? Fangraphs has him already worth 21.9 million this year through 100 games.

2015: $3M, 2016: $5.8M, 2017: $8.8M, 2018: $11M
2019 Team Option: $14.5M ($2M buyout)
Do we have a Victor Zambrano  
Mike in NY : 7/23/2014 11:55 am : link
that we can move for someone's top prospect?
keep dreaming on  
sshin05 : 7/23/2014 11:55 am : link
Goldschmidt, he's arguably better than Stanton. Arizona's only real asset to bring a tremendous haul.
Since  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:55 am : link
opening day 2013 6 players in baseball have been more valuable than Goldschmidt.
2013+2014  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:57 am : link
wRC+ leaders-

Trout
Cabrera
McCutchen
Puig
Goldschmidt


wOBA
Cabrera
Trout
Tulo
Goldschmidt
RE: It's  
sshin05 : 7/23/2014 11:57 am : link
In comment 11777914 DanMetroMan said:
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pretty close to "never" on Goldschmidt unless again you are emptying out the cupboard for one player aka Wheeler AND Thor. What's the incentive for Arizona to deal a cost-controlled MVP caliber, young player without being ridiculously blown away? Sure any player is attainable if you pay a crazy price but would that even be a smart move? Fangraphs has him already worth 21.9 million this year through 100 games.

2015: $3M, 2016: $5.8M, 2017: $8.8M, 2018: $11M
2019 Team Option: $14.5M ($2M buyout)


Yes keep dreaming, that contract is ludicrously team friendly. Mets have to give up too much for him.
Reynolds  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 11:58 am : link
still profiles as a good utility player. Zero power, not much speed. Excellent contact, average-ish at SS
Really  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 12:00 pm : link
a ridiculously good contract for Arizona. Which is why the Astros tried doing the same with Springer etc
Whoever we move, it shouldn't be Jake.  
Ira : 7/23/2014 12:00 pm : link
He's a tough kid who has the mentality of a winner as well as the talent. He's a guy you want on your team for as long as you can keep him.
Incredibly impressed with deGrom's performance last night.  
Phil in Joisey : 7/23/2014 12:03 pm : link
He appears to have the complete package. I would not be surprised if he turns out to be the #1 ace on the Mets' extremely talented pitching staff in the years to come.
I would not include this young man in any trade for anyone.
Reynolds  
PA Giant Fan : 7/23/2014 12:03 pm : link
Sounds a bit like the guy we already have
It seems the real game changer FA's these days  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 12:04 pm : link
come from Cuba.

Maybe we should get one of those guys
RE: Reynolds  
sshin05 : 7/23/2014 12:06 pm : link
In comment 11777950 PA Giant Fan said:
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Sounds a bit like the guy we already have


I'm just hoping Rosario is the real deal but he's still years away. I would think moving Herrera to SS would be the better move eventually since the team has no confidence in Flores playing competent SS.
What about Dickerson?  
SchindlersFist : 7/23/2014 12:09 pm : link
Wouldn't be a "new face of the franchise" move, but he can hit. Rockies have a pretty crowded outfield and a need for pitching. Is this too logical of an avenue for the Mets to pursue?
RE: What about Dickerson?  
Mike in NY : 7/23/2014 12:14 pm : link
In comment 11777972 SchindlersFist said:
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Wouldn't be a "new face of the franchise" move, but he can hit. Rockies have a pretty crowded outfield and a need for pitching. Is this too logical of an avenue for the Mets to pursue?


Problem with Dickerson is that the Rockies like him and by having him they do not need to overpay CarGo in Free Agency and can use that money to fill other needs
Sherman  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 12:21 pm : link
is reporting if Colon's contract were expiring there would be significant interest, Carig says the mets are not inclined to eat much money to move him so if he's moved it sounds like a salary dump.
RE: Sherman  
Deej : 7/23/2014 12:40 pm : link
In comment 11777998 DanMetroMan said:
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is reporting if Colon's contract were expiring there would be significant interest, Carig says the mets are not inclined to eat much money to move him so if he's moved it sounds like a salary dump.


That makes a lot of sense. But in that case I'd hold him until the offseason. Right now 2015 seems like a downside to Colon's contract for a 2014 competitive team. In the offseason, the market changes completely -- more teams looking (not just competitors) and Colon's 2015 contract looks like a non-overpriced short term play to plug a SP need. Some GMs are going to have no money to spend on high priced UFA SPs and will seek out Colon types to put together credible rotations (ala Harvey-less Mets circa 2014).
.  
arcarsenal : 7/23/2014 12:40 pm : link
Moneyball with money.

All year, baby!
I read that  
Metnut : 7/23/2014 12:43 pm : link
teams were concerned that Colon's velocity has been declining as the season has gone on and obviously he's in horrific condition.

I really hope he has a good start today and we trade him because I don't want to be on the hook for that $11M next year when we have a small market $80Mish payroll.
Ace?  
Greg from LI : 7/23/2014 12:47 pm : link
aaahahahahahaha....I get that Mets fans are starved for success but cmon - a hot month by a 26 year old rookie with a good fastball but weak secondary stuff = ace? Please.
Colon should be moved asap  
oipolloi : 7/23/2014 12:48 pm : link
he pitched well for about two months, but his ERA is now 4.12, significantly above the NL average of 3.70, and he has begun to struggle (as one would expect a 40 year old to do, getting into the dog days)

if you get rid of him that would presumably leave his 10m +7m from Young to sign a FA next year. If Murphy is moved that would leave enough to get a quality bat



Huge  
DanMetroMan : 7/23/2014 12:52 pm : link
start for Colon tonight. Deadline coming up and Seattle is a perfect fit for him/the Mets as trade partners. Do it!
Greg  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 12:55 pm : link
he has a pretty effective changeup and a decent slider. It appears that you haven't watched him pitch - but that type of mockery post is par for the course on BBI these days from a select few. Why bother?
would you give Melky 4/65?  
oipolloi : 7/23/2014 12:56 pm : link
put him in LF
All Melky does is hit  
Lafferty, Daniel : 7/23/2014 1:00 pm : link
which I love. But not enough pop.
is this a fair trade?  
CMicks3110 : 7/23/2014 1:08 pm : link
Gee, Plawecki, and Tejada to LAD for Corey Seager, Andre Ethier and another prospect?
RE: would you give Melky 4/65?  
Metnut : 7/23/2014 1:12 pm : link
In comment 11778099 oipolloi said:
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put him in LF


I'd like Melky for a 2 year type of deal. I didn't realize that he'd be up for that type of money.
pitch values for superstar ace Jacob DeGrom  
Greg from LI : 7/23/2014 1:13 pm : link
Fastball: 5.8
Slider: -0.9
Curve: -2.0
Changeup: 0.3

So he has a good fastball, below average breaking stuff and an average change.

And, again, he's 26 years old. Ivan Nova was a better pitcher than him last year at the same age, and there sure as hell wasn't anyone touting him as an emerging ace. It's even more ridiculous when you consider the kind of pitching prospects the Mets have.
good to see Yankees fans threatened by deGrom  
chris r : 7/23/2014 1:15 pm : link
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Good to see that you're still a disingenuous nitwit  
Greg from LI : 7/23/2014 1:16 pm : link
And since that's your response to the actual evidence I provided, I'll go ahead and assume you're not actually disagreeing with me.
RE: pitch values for superstar ace Jacob DeGrom  
gmen9892 : 7/23/2014 1:18 pm : link
In comment 11778146 Greg from LI said:
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So he has a good fastball, below average breaking stuff and an average change.

And, again, he's 26 years old. Ivan Nova was a better pitcher than him last year at the same age, and there sure as hell wasn't anyone touting him as an emerging ace. It's even more ridiculous when you consider the kind of pitching prospects the Mets have.


I think most Mets fans would agree that hes not going to be our Ace on a staff that might include Harvey, Thor and Wheeler.
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arcarsenal : 7/23/2014 1:20 pm : link
Meh. 99% of the Met fans aren't calling him an "ace" and aren't delusional. I have no interest in diving into a Yankee thread and finding the one unrealistic guy and trying to laugh him off the board. But.. slow day, I guess.
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