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Eli's supposed lack of mobility

NYBEN : 7/23/2014 12:03 pm
I listened to BBKL this morning and it seemed every caller was complaining about how the new offense did not fit Eli because he is not as mobile as Aaron Rodgers. While this is clearly true,Eli is hardly a feet cemented to the ground statue. Eli moves around in the pocket extremely well and does a very good job avoiding the rush. He was sacked 39 times last season, which was a career high. If not for his pocket awareness and ability to move within the pocket that number could easily have been doubled. Eli will never be a running QB but he doesn't have to be in order to run WHAT WE THINK this new offense is going to be.So many people are assuming that the new offense will be a carbon copy of what they run in GB and are trying to match our players to the guys over there. Thankfully I don't think the coaches are looking at it like that and they are creating a playbook based on the talent and skills of the players here.
personally I think Eli is going to excel in this new offense just as he did in the old offense. Protect him and run the right routes for him and we should have a top 10 offense again.
I think it's 2 different things.  
kmed : 7/23/2014 12:08 pm : link
His pocket awareness is what keeps him upright in the pocket(before last year), but he most certainly has a lack of mobility. Will it hinder him in this offense? I highly doubt it. One would think they are fully aware of his limitations and they will build the offense around his strenghts which are his brain, awareness and ability to throw the ball.
anita marks simply said he's not mobile  
mattlawson : 7/23/2014 12:11 pm : link
and underscored that as a major concern of hers vs aaron rodgers. I think any time you get the ball out in under 2 seconds, like opposing teams make a point to do against us, it's hard on the DL and makes the OL look good. Rodger has a quick release, but every year they talk about how in the Green Bay offense it's a quick, uptempo offense.

I think Eli will be fine with that after he gets his confidence in the system, I think the pass catchers will be faster and the ball will get there. He wont be aaron rodgers but you'd be foolish not to think the offense will be in a better position this year.

and, look at it like this - he can't possibly do any worse than last year.
out of the 32 starting QBs  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/23/2014 12:13 pm : link
Eli is definitely among the 10 least mobile, and probably among the 5 least mobile (Peyton, Brady, maybe Palmer and and Rivers?).

Aaron Rodgers on the otherhand is very mobile and his greatest skill may be his ability to throw dimes on the run.

I love Eli and I do expect him to bounceback in this offense, but there are definitely questions about how his mediocre mobility will play in McAdoo's offense that relied so heavily on Rodgers' mobility.
i'm not worried about his mobility  
GiantsFan84 : 7/23/2014 12:39 pm : link
you don't ask players to do things they aren't good at. if he's not good at throwing on the run you call less roll outs. from everything I've read about McAdoo he seems like a bright guy who will fit his offense around his players
Rodgers  
NYBEN : 7/23/2014 12:44 pm : link
did not play in McAdoo's offense ..he played in Mike McCarthy's offense.BM was the QB coach not the OC, which is one of the biggest mistakes some of us are making
QB Mobility is ALWAYS an issue on third and long  
Marty in Albany : 7/23/2014 12:46 pm : link
Eliminate the third and long and you don't need so much mobility and you don't get sacked or throw interceptions. I'm guessing that the Giants already know this.
Eli  
NYBEN : 7/23/2014 12:56 pm : link
moves around well enough and throws on the run well enough to play in any offense. He will never lead the team in rushing(if he ever does we are really doomed)like Rogers did in the 2 games he played against us in 2011.I'm sure those were not his only games leading them in rushing but those 2 stand out.
why would macadoo come here  
ANGPASS : 7/23/2014 12:57 pm : link
if he didn't think eli could run that offense? This is his first shot at OC and you think he would blow it? Macadoo could of gone other places. he knows eli is a great QB. Who cares about mobility that much to say that is the deal breaker for the season? if the passes are suppose to be quicker, that will slow down the pass rush. Eli's Mobility shouldn't be a concern. the OL should be. Mike Vick was always the most sacked QB. i think he was mobile. Tannehill is WAAYY mobile than eli, he got sacked too. David Carr was mobile. Vince young too. All those guys got sacked and are 100 times more mobile than eli. difference is, eli is 100 times better at QB than them.
is this about whether or not Eli is mobile  
chris r : 7/23/2014 12:59 pm : link
or whether or not the offensive system can work without a mobile QB?
Most important quality for a QB in West Coast offense  
Fred in Atlanta : 7/23/2014 12:59 pm : link
is not mobility, but the ability to make quick decisions. A quality that Eli is very good at.
Eli gets rid of the ball  
oipolloi : 7/23/2014 1:01 pm : link
that's why he is generally among the least sacked

and also one of the main reasons he has never missed a game

the idea that Eli should learn to take sacks was one of the most misguided i have heard. Every time a QB is sacked, there is a chance he gets injured.

doesn't matter how good you are if you are watching the game in street clothes
so, to answer the question  
oipolloi : 7/23/2014 1:07 pm : link
Eli's mobility is not a concern. He has just about as good "planned" mobility as Rodgers. He can roll out etc . . .

Where Rodgers is superior is using his legs to make first downs when nobody is open. But those are unplanned plays. In other words, they are not part of the gameplan or designed. They are just spontaneous creative plays on Rodger's part. That's why when Rodgers is healthy, he is better than Eli. But Eli is not as likely to get injured
planned or unplanned  
JOMO25 : 7/23/2014 1:14 pm : link
Eli is not on the same planet as Rodgers mobility wise
Not sure  
NYBEN : 7/23/2014 1:17 pm : link
there was a question...some of you should read the entire original post
JOMO  
NYBEN : 7/23/2014 1:19 pm : link
I think we all know that...but he doesn't need to be
It doesn't matter  
snumber6 : 7/23/2014 1:25 pm : link
I believe MacAdoo and TC will put in an offense that will use the abilities of the players ... and not put in an offense that unilaterally will make the players do things they can't do well ...
As Mara said last year ... the offense was broke ... broke because linemen were askedto hold pass blocks longer than they were able to ... broke because WR's were asked to make decisions about routes beyond their capabilities of reading the defense ... etc.

It would be ludicrous to think that after last year we'd ask Eli - our franchise QB ... to run an offense which needs talents he's weak on to run ... that would be an offense that is even more broke than last year's ...

I am sure however the new offense develops ... it will use Eli's skills not make him do things he's not good at ...

RE: It doesn't matter  
NYBEN : 7/23/2014 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11778180 snumber6 said:
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I believe MacAdoo and TC will put in an offense that will use the abilities of the players ... and not put in an offense that unilaterally will make the players do things they can't do well ...
As Mara said last year ... the offense was broke ... broke because linemen were askedto hold pass blocks longer than they were able to ... broke because WR's were asked to make decisions about routes beyond their capabilities of reading the defense ... etc.

It would be ludicrous to think that after last year we'd ask Eli - our franchise QB ... to run an offense which needs talents he's weak on to run ... that would be an offense that is even more broke than last year's ...

I am sure however the new offense develops ... it will use Eli's skills not make him do things he's not good at ...
EXACTLY!!!Like I said we need to stop thinking our new offense will be a carbon copy of the Packers offense, that is not going to be the case.
RE: anita marks simply said he's not mobile  
Mike in Philly : 7/23/2014 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11777975 mattlawson said:
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and, look at it like this - he can't possibly do any worse than last year.

JINXED!!
Eli best asset is pre-snap reads and adjusting blocking schemes  
WideRight : 7/23/2014 1:50 pm : link
That makes up for his lack of mobility.

Eli  
NYBEN : 7/23/2014 1:58 pm : link
Moves well enough he is not the statue that some of you make him out to be
RE: Eli  
Kyle : 7/23/2014 2:04 pm : link
In comment 11778283 NYBEN said:
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Moves well enough he is not the statue that some of you make him out to be


He moves well enough, but on a scale of 1-32 of NFL QBs, he's certainly much closer to least mobile than most mobile.

As noted, his pre-snap reads and pocket presence are what enable him to elude the rush. It's certainly not his being nimble.
darn it!  
Randy in CT : 7/23/2014 2:17 pm : link
I only wish that the new coordinator and management and coaches figured out what would work best for Eli by evaluating his abilities. Darn it to heck!!
Thats the same management that canned the old offense  
WideRight : 7/23/2014 2:27 pm : link
that Eli was excelling in.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 7/23/2014 3:24 pm : link
1) Eli's pocket presence and ability to avoid sacks is more about strength, awareness, and decision making than mobility.

2) Mobility is more about running with the ball and/or throwing on the run. Eli sucks at both. Even in designed rollouts, the Giants have run more of a moving pocket with him rolling and stopping than trying to throw while moving.

3) You don't have to be mobile to run the West Coast offense. If anything, I think it is less a requirement. Most important is command of the offense and quick decision making. These are 2 areas I have no doubt Eli will excel at.

4) Also, the lack of WR options should cut down on all the miscommunications between Eli and the WRs drastically.

5) The Giants now have a number of WRs actually well suited for this offense for a variety of reasons. They are either big and can control the physical matchup, or speedy and elusive, or precise route runners, or excellent after the catch, or a combination. I honestly think the combination of Eli at the helm and the WR corps we have can be deadly.
I am not worried about his mobility nor do I care what  
Victor in CT : 7/23/2014 3:39 pm : link
Anita Marks thinks. Just show us the bolt ons.

Eli has excellent pocket awareness and is able to move in and out of the pocket to buy time to make a throw. To me, that it all the mobility a QB needs.
I think the issue you are getting at (OP) is mechanics...  
bradshaw44 : 7/23/2014 3:48 pm : link
Does Eli have the proper speed release and accuracy. I think people worry, that because Eli throws some pretty ugly short passes that he won't be able to hit the quicker/shorter developed routes that the WC offense tends to favor.

Personally, the thought has crossed my mind. But as others have mentioned, I think MaCadoo will develop the right compliment of plays that he believes Eli can run properly.
some of Eli's greatest throws were  
blakjedi : 7/23/2014 4:49 pm : link
rollouts. Particularly to his left.
They were?  
Jimmy Googs : 7/23/2014 4:58 pm : link
.
he cant throw  
SBlue46 : 7/23/2014 9:16 pm : link
Short passes which will be 80% of O....
Seriously?  
Bramton1 : 7/23/2014 9:54 pm : link
Do you think McAdoo brought over the Packers' offensive play book, crossed off "Green Bay Packers" with a permanent marker, and wrote "New York Giants?"

McAdoo has designed a play book that is built around players' strengths, while masking their weaknesses. Anything less and this guy would not be a coach in the NFL.
Pretty funny..  
The Tempest : 7/24/2014 1:32 pm : link
when you consider not a single fan knows exactly what to expect from the offense this September except that it will be different.
RE: They were?  
blakjedi : 7/25/2014 11:52 pm : link
In comment 11778746 Jimmy Googs said:
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Manning to Boss 2008 versus the steelers
Manning to Bradshaw 2011 San Fran
Manning to Manningham 2011 SB
Eli's lack of mobility  
montanagiant : 7/26/2014 12:31 am : link
Has never been an issue...I highly doubt that it will now, especially given the fact that NO ONE knows what exactly our offense will be.
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