Let's crank the hate and discontent up to 11!
In many of our previous police brutality threads, a common response from their defenders is how there are only a few bad eggs that are responsible for these cases. So, with that in mind, peruse the comments left at PoliceOne and Thee Rant, message boards open only to law enforcement (IOW, you cannot register to post there without proving you are a current or former cop)......
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Forget losing their jobs...they should be tried for the crime they committed just like anybody else would be.
Forget losing their jobs...they should be tried for the crime they committed just like anybody else would be.
I agree wholeheartedly, but I figured I would toss out "how about we at least fire them?" to see if there'd be a defense force for even that level of repercussion for killing another man.
Sadly, there is...
And i guess it's ok that they know this guy has been selling cigarettes that can just shake him down again and arrest him..And when he saying, "I can't breathe", maybe he's lying and has a shotgun in his wait and going to pull it out and shoot all 5 police officers..
it's all well and dandy until you find yourself consistently frisked and harassed by police when at some point, you get tired of it..Or find yourself getting arrested for doing nothing but breaking up a fight..
He had committed no crime. He was helping break up a fight. I assume they presumed him to be involved but by all accounts, he actually did nothing wrong here.
Sorry, this is pretty much BS.
They do somewhat share a worldview based on where they work. They absolutely do not lack reasonable judgement and intelligence, unless you want to go on an individual by individual basis.
The difficulty IMO with the police and their "worldview" is that it is entirely shaped by their environment. When you deal day in and day out with (for the most part) the dregs of society it can be very difficult for it to not change your view towards people in general.
I have a friend who is an officer that went from "working the beat" to vice, to finally a cushy desk job working directly for the commissioner. In our conversations about this type of stuff he always tells me that when he was on the street and working vice, his view of people completely changed- especially working vice. I'm not sure about other cities, but here in KC most of the police work in vice involves children. Try to deal with that day in and day out and not have you view changed.
Now that said- it absolutely doesn't absolve cops like the one's in this instance- they still have to act within the law.
It does, however add a little understanding as to why the police have this different worldview in the first place.
What's the answer? I have no idea. But to just label the police as stupid, ignorant brutes is absolutely not it.
And as to the OP: those comments are absolutely horrid and I really hope they aren't a good representation of what most officers think of this particular incident.
What is the story behind that gif? It's really disturbing.
If this gif is from Austin, TX, then that girl may have been a jogger who jaywalked. The cop was calling out to her but, she had on headphones and couldn't hear him until it was too late. The Spirit of Justice then Ray Riced her.
He of course very well may have died anyway, but how do they act do cavalier about the mans life?
The arrest, the choke hold all of that can possibly be explained away to some extent because of his size and maybe resisting arrest, so even if you put that aside how do they just let a man die and apparently if what I read was correct do little to nothing? I find the lack of concern or compassion is disgusting.
The top 5, imo, are the sergeant at the scene who made no attempt to control the situation or have his condition checked
while his was lying there moaning "I can't breathe," and the medical technicians who made no attempt to intervene in order to check his vitals. They killed him, not a pretty weak-assed choke-hold.
All the BS that this was a racially motivated arrest is just that. This was a very large albeit small-time career criminal.
Btw, I still don't see why a tazer wouldn't have been preferable to wrestling with a grizzly bear. Less risk to all involved, and they surely would have checked his vitals after a taze.
All the BS that this was a racially motivated arrest is just that. This was a very large albeit small-time career criminal.
Btw, I still don't see why a tazer wouldn't have been preferable to wrestling with a grizzly bear. Less risk to all involved, and they surely would have checked his vitals after a taze.
Do they carry tazers? I thought someone above mentioned that they do not.
Your corect its not right to label an entire group, but in cases where they weild significant power I don't think its wise to consider it any other way.
If MO is for Missouri, have you had a chance to speak to any NYPD about the case? Even the upstanding officers are very dismissive. One went into great detail about how the officer attempted to grad him around the shoulders, but the guy was so big it inadvertantly became a chokehold - honest mistake in the line of duty. Another's issue wasn't defending the officer, but was extremely upset that Braxton wnet public before any investigation was complete - police will never be able to police anymore. And these are guys I like...
Your corect its not right to label an entire group, but in cases where they weild significant power I don't think its wise to consider it any other way.
If MO is for Missouri, have you had a chance to speak to any NYPD about the case? Even the upstanding officers are very dismissive. One went into great detail about how the officer attempted to grad him around the shoulders, but the guy was so big it inadvertantly became a chokehold - honest mistake in the line of duty. Another's issue wasn't defending the officer, but was extremely upset that Braxton wnet public before any investigation was complete - police will never be able to police anymore. And these are guys I like...
Yeah- I wasn't clear. The part I thought was BS was labeling them all as not being intelligent and not being able to reason.
Acevedo contends the woman knew full well that officers were trying to stop her, but she still decided to act the way she did. Acevedo said to reporters that if he were the attending officer, he would have probably arrested her for resisting arrest.
Speaking via Twitter about the incident, Acevedo noted that Austin police made 28 contacts, issued seven citations, and handed out warnings to offenders during the initiative which Stephen became a part of.
A UT student named Christopher Quintero began taking pictures and video of the developing scene, which escalated into Stephen crying on the ground in handcuffs. She reportedly refused to give the officers her name. Stephen was eventually put into a squad car, where on the video you can hear her screaming at police. She was then taken to jail for booking.
Quintero's video and pictures quickly went viral once he put them up on his own blog Thursday. He later told the Austin American-Statesman that he thought Stephen handled the situation "poorly" with police.
Handling it badly or not, nothing justified a full body tackle from behind, of course.
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My friend said alright, I'll go down to the station, let me get my crutches. At that point the cop grabbed him, threw him to the ground and yelled "you don't need no God damned crutches". Cop turned him over, pushed his knee into my friend's spine and cuffed him, then threw him into the car. My friend objected to what he felt was an unwarrented trampling on his rights when he was at his house doing nothing wrong. But that aside, the key is that he did not resist arrest, he was complying and only asked to get his crutches.
I have no doubt some of you will say its his fault, he should have produced an ID. I disagree, and again, he did not resist arrest and the officer's action was TOTALLY unwarranted.
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Acevedo reiterated that the woman was placed under arrest because she failed to identify herself, not for resisting arrest. But still the criticism on social media is that the officers used excessive force...
Acevedo contends the woman knew full well that officers were trying to stop her, but she still decided to act the way she did. Acevedo said to reporters that if he were the attending officer, he would have probably arrested her for resisting arrest.
Speaking via Twitter about the incident, Acevedo noted that Austin police made 28 contacts, issued seven citations, and handed out warnings to offenders during the initiative which Stephen became a part of.
A UT student named Christopher Quintero began taking pictures and video of the developing scene, which escalated into Stephen crying on the ground in handcuffs. She reportedly refused to give the officers her name. Stephen was eventually put into a squad car, where on the video you can hear her screaming at police. She was then taken to jail for booking.
Quintero's video and pictures quickly went viral once he put them up on his own blog Thursday. He later told the Austin American-Statesman that he thought Stephen handled the situation "poorly" with police.
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No it's not. The Austin woman was blonde. Here is an image of the Austin Woman. I have the right backstory:
What a crock of shit.
Dude immediately runs her down and gives her the atomic impact push as soon as he arrives on the scene.
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Dude immediately runs her down and gives her the atomic impact push as soon as he arrives on the scene.
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He's a real hero, and a real human being.
Dude immediately runs her down and gives her the atomic impact push as soon as he arrives on the scene.
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Guy gets out of the truck at 1:46 and takes her out by 1:59.
13 seconds evidently was more than enough time to get her to stop and come back to the scene as well as determine that she was some sort of threat I guess.
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Backstory : PHOENIX - An officer is under investigation for using excessive force after YouTube video is posted of him pushing a teenage girl against a wall, knocking her to the ground. Phoenix Police Officer Patrick Larrison has been placed on administrative while the criminal and internal investigation is underway. The use-of-force case incident caught on tape. A Phoenix Police employee saw the video and told supervisors. Back in January, at Ombudsman Charter School, the 15-year-old girl was caught drinking at school. When her mom arrived, she and her mom got into a physical fight, and the police were called. She was apparently belligerent and walked away from officers. That's when Officer Larrison used an 'impact push' to stop her and handcuff her.
Impact push. I'm going to put that one in the memory bank for later.
Apparently the off-duty officer was never tested for alcohol consumption by his fellow officers at the scene, who also used the off-duty officer's undercover alias on the accident report which prevented the injured victim from identifying the man that caused his accident. The officer was later identified and found to have been treated for his own injuries at a nearby hospital at which time he also registered a BAC more than three times the legal limit.
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It should be illegal to be that hammered off only having 3 beers. So in that perspective, the cop went easy on him. Right?
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It should be illegal to be that hammered off only having 3 beers. So in that perspective, the cop went easy on him. Right?
Trollolololol
Every situation is different, of course. And I'm sure sometimes you could see a situation where a police officer looks to be using excessive force, and is really acting appropriately, but the video makes it seem like the cop(s) are being overly aggressive.
But, it certainly does seem now like the burden of physical violence has gone from when they are in fear for the safety of themselves and others, down to just people not fully, immediately complying with everything they say. I don't think we should be content with an answer of "Do what the cops say and you won't get beat" in this society.
Bill Maher had a great thing the other night about the militarization of these small town police forces, that now have tanks and grenade launchers they got from the military. And his point was basically that if you give someone a grenade launcher, they're going to find a reason they need to use a grenade launcher.
Doesn't totally correlate to these stories, which are about human force, but same principal I think. It does seem like all too often you really feel like they want you to disobey or question something they tell you to do so they can throw you to the ground and rough you up.
True of every cop in every situation? No, of course not. But I do think there's becoming more and more of it, and there's still a large percentage of people who could see 6 cops kicking an old woman for jaywalking, and would say "Well she shouldn't have been talking back."