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NFT: The movie Munich

I Love Clams Casino : 7/23/2014 3:47 pm
In light of what is going on in Israel, I felt compelled to watch this movie again.

If you've never, or even if you have seen it, I highly recommend it. It's a very emotionally charged movie.

I'm not sure how accurate Mossad's response was depicted, but the massacre itself seemed to be spot on.

The thing that intrigued me the most was Salameh's supposed relationship with the CIA. If there's any truth to it, it's hard to believe.

The assassinations were real  
Greg from LI : 7/23/2014 3:53 pm : link
The Israelis did carry out an operation to kill members of Black September in retaliation for the Munich killings. The particulars of how it happened and the men who carried it out involved a great deal of dramatic license.
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It was a great performance  
spike : 7/23/2014 3:53 pm : link
by Eric Bana.
RE: It was a great performance  
Nick in LA : 7/23/2014 4:09 pm : link
In comment 11778597 spike said:
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by Eric Bana.


His best film IMO
RE: It was a great performance  
steve in ky : 7/23/2014 4:12 pm : link
In comment 11778597 spike said:
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by Eric Bana.


Don't get Joey started
wasn't Munich  
Bleedin Blue : 7/23/2014 4:17 pm : link
a remake of an earlier film with Stephen Bauer, The Sword of Gideon?? On the Military Channel newly renamed American Heroes Channel there's a show called black ops, they just did the story on an Israeli assassination of the supposed mastermind of the Munich murders, it turned out that the person they killed fabricated his involvement. He was still a bad guy and deserved to get his, but they went after him thinking he was the mastermind, I guess he paid the ultimate price for stolen valor!
The Sword of Gideon was made as a ...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/23/2014 5:20 pm : link
TV movie and wasn't shown in theaters but it is based on the same story...
Someone I work works father  
JayBinQueens : 7/23/2014 5:31 pm : link
Was ex Mossad and helped Spielberg with the details etc.
he told me his father got angry at Spielberg for trying to show the softer side of the agents when they were debating to kill them. As he put it "we don't feel sympathy for those who kill out brothers"
an underrated film  
GiantNatty : 7/23/2014 5:43 pm : link
imho

spoiler alert question: at the very end of the movie, why wouldn't jeremy rush's character go to the home of bana's character and break bread with him? is there a rule against eating with a killer? why was he disassociating with him after inviting him back to israel? i didn't quite catch that...
didn't Bana's character...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/23/2014 6:07 pm : link
decide to leave Mossad and not go back to Israel...I guess he was disassociating himself from Bana...
Good movie, well made  
mfsd : 7/23/2014 6:13 pm : link
and thought provoking

I personally found the film was a little too laced with Spielberg's limousine liberal politics, but the same could be said for much of the dreck that comes out of Hollywood...Munich was a very good movie
can't help but shake my head  
M in CT : 7/23/2014 6:25 pm : link
at anyone who can't separate a movie from the director's political leanings.

i'm pretty liberal and yet i find a way to enjoy mel gibson's movies because...and this may shock you...he makes really great fucking movies. he may have some views i don't agree with and may even be a fucking lunatic, but i'm not having him over for a BBQ, i'm just watching a movie that he made.

if you watch Munich and you're distracted by Spielberg's "limousine liberalism" then you're missing the entire point of going to the movies in the first place.
RE: can't help but shake my head  
mfsd : 7/23/2014 6:31 pm : link
In comment 11778895 M in CT said:
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at anyone who can't separate a movie from the director's political leanings.

i'm pretty liberal and yet i find a way to enjoy mel gibson's movies because...and this may shock you...he makes really great fucking movies. he may have some views i don't agree with and may even be a fucking lunatic, but i'm not having him over for a BBQ, i'm just watching a movie that he made.


if you watch Munich and you're distracted by Spielberg's "limousine liberalism" then you're missing the entire point of going to the movies in the first place.


Your little rant is off base, and you completely misinterpret my point. I said I found there to be a bit of a political message in the movie that I didn't like, but said I still liked the movie a lot and found it very thought provoking. In other words, I had no trouble separating the politics and enjoying the movie.
overall liked it - the killing of the dutch female assassin is  
Nitro : 7/23/2014 6:45 pm : link
particularly brutal and consistent with the tone of the film.

Not sure how I felt about the end of it, where banging leads to 9/11 allusions.
Yeah...  
Chris in Philly : 7/23/2014 8:33 pm : link
Worst...sex scene...ever.
"limousine liberalism" of Hollywood  
Motley Blue : 7/23/2014 9:14 pm : link
haha that's pretty funny when talking about Hollywood and in reference to Steven "I directed mutha fuckin Schindler's List" Spielberg.

enjoyable flick  
weeg in the bronx : 7/23/2014 10:05 pm : link
I actually like chairman Hines the most but great cars, great story (as a result of an awful terrorist act). Sure there was some artistic license but what film based on fact doesn't?
Why was Germany so ill-prepared to deal with  
EmpireWF : 7/24/2014 9:07 am : link
the hostage crisis from beginning to end?
RE:  
mfsd : 7/24/2014 9:32 am : link
In comment 11779065 Motley Blue said:
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haha that's pretty funny when talking about Hollywood and in reference to Steven "I directed mutha fuckin Schindler's List" Spielberg.


OK my comment was a little obnoxious, guilty as charged...to clarify, as it bears on the OP's comment on how the theme of the movie lends itself to discussion of current state of affairs...I felt like the movie tried a little too hard to paint both sides, Israeli commandos and terrorists, as the same, guys fighting for a cause they believe in.

To me there's a big difference between soldiers or commandos carrying out orders to kill enemy soldiers, versus some guys intentionally killing innocent people to further their cause

The most interesting part of the movie IMO was how it showed the personal side effects the Israeli commandos suffered from, through the course of doing their duty

Culminating, of course, with the most uncomfortably weird sex scene in recent movie history.

The screenplay  
Don 70 : 7/24/2014 11:09 am : link
Tony Kushner wrote the screenplay. He is very anti Israel in his political outlook and it shows in his depiction of the moral equivalence of the PLO (terrorists) with the Mosad.
At the end of the film there is a scene where the Mosad agent is near the World Trade Center and talking about a possible disaster. A subtle suggestion that the Israel was responsible for the bombing.
Munich is pure fiction and defames the innocent athletes that were murdered in 1972
Munich was a good movie,  
Dave : 7/24/2014 11:17 am : link
but I'm waiting for a movie about The Trial of Soghomon Tehlirian...
What about Eric Roth?  
EmpireWF : 7/24/2014 1:12 pm : link
He cowrote the screenplay with Kushner

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The screenplay
Don 70 : 11:09 am : link : reply
Tony Kushner wrote the screenplay. He is very anti Israel in his political outlook and it shows in his depiction of the moral equivalence of the PLO (terrorists) with the Mosad.
At the end of the film there is a scene where the Mosad agent is near the World Trade Center and talking about a possible disaster. A subtle suggestion that the Israel was responsible for the bombing.
Munich is pure fiction and defames the innocent athletes that were murdered in 1972
RE: Why was Germany so ill-prepared to deal with  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2014 1:22 pm : link
In comment 11779341 EmpireWF said:
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the hostage crisis from beginning to end?


They had no existing counterterrorism agency. The post-WWII German constitution forbade military involvement in civilian affairs, so the Munich police were the only agency permitted to deal with the hostage crisis. They weren't trained for such an event, didn't have proper weapons or communication equipment and politicians were the ones making the tactical decisions.

As a result of Munich, the German counterrorism agency GSG 9 was founded and soon was one of the best in the world, famously raiding a hijacked Lufthansa plane in Somalia in 1977 and rescuing all the passengers.
RE: The screenplay  
M in CT : 7/24/2014 1:54 pm : link
In comment 11779601 Don 70 said:
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Tony Kushner wrote the screenplay. He is very anti Israel in his political outlook and it shows in his depiction of the moral equivalence of the PLO (terrorists) with the Mosad.
At the end of the film there is a scene where the Mosad agent is near the World Trade Center and talking about a possible disaster. A subtle suggestion that the Israel was responsible for the bombing.
Munich is pure fiction and defames the innocent athletes that were murdered in 1972


ha, that scene IN NO WAY suggested that Israel was responsible for 9/11. that is absurd.

since when do posters put both their name and their IQ in their handle?
re  
Don 70 : 7/24/2014 2:56 pm : link
To M in Ct.

I suggest you read Stefan Kanfer's review in the City Journal Jan. 2006 issue. He also suggests that Kushner uses the back drop of the WTC for political purposes.
I also resent your snide remark about IQ.
I just read...  
Chris in Philly : 7/24/2014 3:40 pm : link
the Kanfer review. He did not say that the movie suggested Israel was involved.
I put Munich in my queu.  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 3:41 pm : link
Should I take it fucking back off??
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