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capone : 7/24/2014 1:47 pm
I live in foothills of the Sierra Nevadas in California. Gated community 1.5 acres typical parcel a 1/2 mile from a major highway. My neighbor has seen the lion twice in a week and warned us when it went into our yard. We found a deer carcass in our yard last week. My 10 year old daughter saw it in our driveway at 5:00 last night. She is scared to death now. Not sure if it is the same lion that has been seen over the years but now its hunting in the neighborhood.

I called CA fish and game and was told I cant harass the lion by hiring a guy with hounds without getting a permit first- that could take weeks and I may have to appear before them. They said that I was more likely to be killed by lightning to which I said not really as there is no lightning in my yard but there is a lion. I was also told that " if I feel threatened I can take appropriate action" .. which I think means I should get a rifle locked and loaded and if I do see him I should pop him. I will deal with it mafia style and dispose of the body. has anyone else dealt with this issue? I am not a hunter and don't like the idea of killing him but a bunch of cats and small dogs have disappeared over the year and while the odds are long I don't want to see a tragedy.
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RE: The fish and game folks  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 3:49 pm : link
In comment 11780342 capone said:
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said don't pick up a rock because the moment you "get small" to pick it up you are at risk. they said don't startle the animal by running out of the house. they said if you and your neighbors have seen it 5 times he has seen you 500 times. She is pretty shook up even this morning wouldn't leave the house. people have taken picture of this thing walking down the street - its crazy. I don't live in a very rural area but there is open land just a mile away as is a Honda dealer, subway shop etc.
As an animal lover I say this with peace and love, peace and LOVE. For a while, I'd always have something with me if I were you. Air horn, knife...something. And I don't mess around when discussing my kids and potential wild animal invading our space. A gun should be discussed. BTW, out yard is fenced in but the fox jumped over the 4 foot high part. Next part of the project is continuing the 6' stockade in its place.

capone, you have a fence? You might want to seriously consider.
Randy  
Micko : 7/24/2014 3:57 pm : link
Could be a fox though. We've had foxes take out a couple of neighborhood cats over the last few years. I'm in CT as well.
.....  
Micko : 7/24/2014 4:00 pm : link
I also disagree w/ a lot of the sentiment around here. Something comes into the moutain lion den and the moutain lion kills it. Moutain lion comes into my den - and my den also has my children - I sure as F plan on killing it or finding some way to get rid of it. It's an animal - we're human.
Micko, don't worry.  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:00 pm : link
The foxes were already on my shit list because of the chickens.
The HOA would never allow a Fence sufficient to work  
capone : 7/24/2014 4:05 pm : link
and even if they did it would be very expensive and make my house look like a prison. I am borrowing a shotgun from my friend and will load 2 bean bags and the rest slugs. Will also carry a 9mm - all the sightings have been late afternoon so I'm going out the next few days looking for him- enufs enuf
There is a pro-wildlife ideology in CA  
oipolloi : 7/24/2014 4:05 pm : link
Not surprised at all by the response of the Wildlife and Gaming people.

The problem with getting a gun is that mountain lions are tough to shoot. Most likely, you will not get a kill-shot unless she is charging you. Instead, you will wound her and there is nothing more dangerous on the planet earth than a wounded lion. You would have to call in experts to make sure the lion was dead and then you would be in big trouble legally.

I'd get a gun but would not shoot unless it was a life threatening situation. Just having the gun will make you feel safe.

Also, be careful because mountain lions hunt in pairs. So, while you are looking at one of them, the other one is sneaking up behind you. They kill by getting you in the neck from behind. You want to have your back against a good thick tree.

I know a guy who was attacked by a mountain lion. She sprang and he was able to fight her off with a thick branch he had picked up. He started hollering for his brother and and when his brother came running down yelling his head off, the lion ran off. All he had were some scratches. The lesson of the story is don't be alone in mountain lion territory.

This was right below Half Moon Bay. The guy was a cop and was berry picking with his brother. So, don't believe the crap about lion attacks not happening. They do happen. Not frequently but they do happen.



RE: The fish and game folks  
okiegiant : 7/24/2014 4:06 pm : link
In comment 11780342 capone said:
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said don't pick up a rock because the moment you "get small" to pick it up you are at risk. they said don't startle the animal by running out of the house. they said if you and your neighbors have seen it 5 times he has seen you 500 times. She is pretty shook up even this morning wouldn't leave the house. people have taken picture of this thing walking down the street - its crazy. I don't live in a very rural area but there is open land just a mile away as is a Honda dealer, subway shop etc.


capone, I always try to find a way to let wildlife just be wildlife. With me, when I lived in rural areas, it was always with the dogs. However, if this animal is settling in and getting comfortable, and if the noise/lights/movement ideas fail to achieve good results, don't discount a weapon.

Only you can decide if it becomes aggressive enough to warrant this action.
Depending on your budget/interest,  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:08 pm : link
you can also install motion-sensitive lighting and perhaps a game cam to see what's happening where.
Btw,  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:08 pm : link
I'm going the game-cam route to see what's around the yard at night.
Might want to get a can of bear spray  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2014 4:08 pm : link
I'm sure it would work on a big cat. The trick would be hitting it since they're so fast and agile.
last summer my brother in law visited  
capone : 7/24/2014 4:09 pm : link
and he was on eastern time - got up really early to drink his coffee on the front steps and the thing walked right through my yard .. it pisses me off that I have not seen it but I am long past the idea that people are mistaken , dreaming it up , confusing it with a dog etc
Randy  
Micko : 7/24/2014 4:14 pm : link
Just last night I went outside to throw away some garbage (maybe 11PM). I'm walking through my yard and 3 coyotes start barking or whining or whatever it's called. Felt like they were no more than 20 feet away from me. I remember being told to walk away all calm like if you encounter coyotes. I on the other hand ran like a school girl into my house. A pack of coyotes? C-ya!
I'm a city boy with no advice.  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/24/2014 4:16 pm : link
But this thread is terrifying to me.
I ran across a surprisingly large bobcat once while hiking  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2014 4:17 pm : link
That was frightening enough. A mountain lion twice as big as that bobcat? Yikes.
RE: Randy  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:23 pm : link
In comment 11780408 Micko said:
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Just last night I went outside to throw away some garbage (maybe 11PM). I'm walking through my yard and 3 coyotes start barking or whining or whatever it's called. Felt like they were no more than 20 feet away from me. I remember being told to walk away all calm like if you encounter coyotes. I on the other hand ran like a school girl into my house. A pack of coyotes? C-ya!
Nice. You should hear a fox calling (presumably its cubs or mate). Never heard anything like it.
If the game commision is telling you  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/24/2014 4:25 pm : link
to shoot it, well shoot it.

Apparently it has found good hunting and has claimed the area as it's own.

Randy, a coyote. You haven't coon and foxed proofed your hen house yet? Don't be lazy. Actually shut the door every night and open it in the morning.

RE: If the game commision is telling you  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11780430 ctc in ftmyers said:
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to shoot it, well shoot it.

Apparently it has found good hunting and has claimed the area as it's own.

Randy, a coyote. You haven't coon and foxed proofed your hen house yet? Don't be lazy. Actually shut the door every night and open it in the morning.
Yes, the coop is completely safe. Where we got lazy was sometimes shutting access to it. Fox looked for an opening and found it.
Amazing  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/24/2014 4:29 pm : link
how that happens. :)
RE: RE: Randy  
okiegiant : 7/24/2014 4:30 pm : link
In comment 11780421 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 11780408 Micko said:


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Just last night I went outside to throw away some garbage (maybe 11PM). I'm walking through my yard and 3 coyotes start barking or whining or whatever it's called. Felt like they were no more than 20 feet away from me. I remember being told to walk away all calm like if you encounter coyotes. I on the other hand ran like a school girl into my house. A pack of coyotes? C-ya!

Nice. You should hear a fox calling (presumably its cubs or mate). Never heard anything like it.


Again, I like foxes, but a crying fox in the middle of the night, or a bobcat wailing, will set your hair on end!

A mountain lion in the dark...with their low kinda rumbling growl will make you sit up and start paying attention real quick.
My cats have chased foxes out of the yard  
buford : 7/24/2014 4:31 pm : link
but chickens they would be afraid of.
RE: Amazing  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:35 pm : link
In comment 11780439 ctc in ftmyers said:
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how that happens. :)
Let my fucking guard down!
RE: RE: RE: Randy  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:35 pm : link
In comment 11780443 okiegiant said:
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In comment 11780421 Randy in CT said:


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In comment 11780408 Micko said:


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Just last night I went outside to throw away some garbage (maybe 11PM). I'm walking through my yard and 3 coyotes start barking or whining or whatever it's called. Felt like they were no more than 20 feet away from me. I remember being told to walk away all calm like if you encounter coyotes. I on the other hand ran like a school girl into my house. A pack of coyotes? C-ya!

Nice. You should hear a fox calling (presumably its cubs or mate). Never heard anything like it.



Again, I like foxes, but a crying fox in the middle of the night, or a bobcat wailing, will set your hair on end!

A mountain lion in the dark...with their low kinda rumbling growl will make you sit up and start paying attention real quick.
Fisher cats too sound pretty creepy. Why do I live in the woods again?
I've had them in my yard several times  
OlyWAJintsFan : 7/24/2014 4:42 pm : link
and usually they are just moving through and are most active at dawn and dusk. Noise and staying in open spaces helps as they like to stalk and surprise. I have children, dogs, cats, chickens and ducks and have not had a problem with the cougars - raccoons and coyotes are a far bigger issue.

I am not aware of them hunting in pairs in either suburbia or the wild, mountain lions are solitary animals that do not form packs or prides. They do have a huge roam radius so chances are that it will leave at some point. Washington Fish and Game has a good primer on encounters...link below.
Cougars...the feline kind - ( New Window )
Randy, you live in the woods because its great...  
okiegiant : 7/24/2014 4:45 pm : link
just think, you have chickens, and you can go out and take a whiz at night without getting arrested. Really, does it get much better than that?
okie, true.  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 4:55 pm : link
Yeah, I didn't think mountain lions hunted in twos either. He's thinking of velociraptors.
This is for  
buford : 7/24/2014 5:00 pm : link
Randy
Link - ( New Window )
velociraptors will mess you up...  
okiegiant : 7/24/2014 5:00 pm : link
but I haven't seen one of those around here since maybe the 70's? I don't honestly remember the year...but I remember it was back when I was drinking heavily.
RE: velociraptors will mess you up...  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 5:04 pm : link
In comment 11780496 okiegiant said:
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but I haven't seen one of those around here since maybe the 70's? I don't honestly remember the year...but I remember it was back when I was drinking heavily.
They slice you here and here! Your entrails spill out. Point is...you are still alive when they are eating you...
RE: This is for  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 5:05 pm : link
In comment 11780494 buford said:
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Randy Link - ( New Window )
That was pretty cute.
.  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 5:08 pm : link
Clevah  
Randy in CT : 7/24/2014 5:08 pm : link
guhl...
Some there isa daughter  
eli4life : 7/24/2014 5:19 pm : link
I'd shoot it without hesitation but I would also let the authorities know immediately and tell them your family was in danger. I understand those arguing your in their habitat and hopefully he moves on but he's already killed there so odds are against it. But make sure you tell the authorities immediately. I had a rattlesnake in the field next to us last year and I got my shotgun and took care of it I called the cops told them I had a dog that goes out plus other dogs on neighborhood and some of the neighbors have small children. COps came and took a statement and aid I did the right thing. Turns out at least 2 neighbors called as well. When they found out why they thanked me and and older lady naked me a pie. They also did of I didn't call them I could of been in some trouble
RE: Some there isa daughter  
Patrick77 : 7/24/2014 5:27 pm : link
In comment 11780522 eli4life said:
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I'd shoot it without hesitation but I would also let the authorities know immediately and tell them your family was in danger. I understand those arguing your in their habitat and hopefully he moves on but he's already killed there so odds are against it. But make sure you tell the authorities immediately.


I'm not saying you didn't do right or this wouldn't work out in a lot of places. But... I would never ever alert authorities.

Kill it and bury it deep. The last thing I want is a green conservation or police officer making my life hell over protecting myself or others.
eli4life  
capone : 7/24/2014 5:28 pm : link
the old lade naked me a pie? holy crap ! pics or GTFO
young females hunt together  
oipolloi : 7/24/2014 5:28 pm : link
kittens stay with their mothers for a long time.

maybe Conn and Okl mountain lions don't hunt together, but if you are in CA and you encounter a mountain lion, trust me, you should keep your back protected and keep your eyes on the lion in front of you.


!  
Bluenatic : 7/24/2014 7:11 pm : link
Update: Cat is alive and well and home.  
Randy in CT : 7/26/2014 9:40 pm : link
And no, I'm not testing out a story to see if you guys think I should turn this into a screenplay...You remember when I started a thread about the new neighbors who were never home (renters) and there were weird smells so we were paranoid about them using the house as a meth lab or something (yes, we loved Breaking Bad).

So, cat missing since last Sunday. I put out flyers Tuesday. I get a call 5 hours ago, "Randy? Hi, this is **** next door and I think we have your cat!"

So she brought her to the vet (no charge for some reason) and had her at the house all week? Again, several people around here lost their cats recently (including the landlord of these assmonkeys!)

Did I land in Bizarro world because for the life of me I'd like to be gracious to these fucknuts for returning my cat but why not KNOCK ON MY DOOR TO SEE IF I'M MISSING A CAT before taking it to the vet (everything was fine, apparently, btw)...Why go through all that trouble and not ask the neighbors??

I am more angry than grateful.

Bring it on fuckers! :)
Are you going to clear out  
fkap : 7/26/2014 10:10 pm : link
the entire county of cougar? They're there, so killing this one will just give you a false sense of security. You're just one of the relative few who actually see these.

Unless you're familiar with, and proficient with, guns, you shouldn't go that route. you don't want a wounded cougar, or a neighbor with a hole in his house.
Wow Randy, that is a monster swing and a miss  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/26/2014 10:22 pm : link
So they're supposed to go knocking door to door hoping it's one of the neighbors cats? As soon as they saw your flyer they called you. And they took your cat to the vet.

What the fuck are you complaining about?
It's customary when you find a pet animal to  
buford : 7/26/2014 10:26 pm : link
put up posters to see if anyone is missing them.
RE: It's customary when you find a pet animal to  
steve in ky : 7/27/2014 12:17 am : link
In comment 11782650 buford said:
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put up posters to see if anyone is missing them.


It is customary to make posters and walk around town posting them if you find a pet?
RE: Update: Cat is alive and well and home.  
steve in ky : 7/27/2014 12:20 am : link
In comment 11782619 Randy in CT said:
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And no, I'm not testing out a story to see if you guys think I should turn this into a screenplay...You remember when I started a thread about the new neighbors who were never home (renters) and there were weird smells so we were paranoid about them using the house as a meth lab or something (yes, we loved Breaking Bad).

So, cat missing since last Sunday. I put out flyers Tuesday. I get a call 5 hours ago, "Randy? Hi, this is **** next door and I think we have your cat!"

So she brought her to the vet (no charge for some reason) and had her at the house all week? Again, several people around here lost their cats recently (including the landlord of these assmonkeys!)

Did I land in Bizarro world because for the life of me I'd like to be gracious to these fucknuts for returning my cat but why not KNOCK ON MY DOOR TO SEE IF I'M MISSING A CAT before taking it to the vet (everything was fine, apparently, btw)...Why go through all that trouble and not ask the neighbors??

I am more angry than grateful.

Bring it on fuckers! :)


Glad your family has it pet back.

What ever did come from those neighbors? Did they assimilate into normal neighbors or still the same? Did you ever find out what the story behind it was?
Steve,  
buford : 7/27/2014 7:18 am : link
yes, have you ever seen 'Found Dog or Cat' posters? Also, now there are plenty of websites where you can search for lost cats and dogs. I would have gone that route before I took a cat that showed up in my yard to the vet and kept it in the house for a week.
Mike, they know we have a black cat  
Randy in CT : 7/27/2014 7:56 am : link
and why not knock on our door?

Steve, they still have the strange lifestyle of the house being seemingly empty for a few days at a time. No, they are not "normal".
Randy, what about the  
bob in tx : 7/27/2014 10:06 am : link
Love Thy Neighbor stuff? Seems like you're breaking one of Joey's commandments.
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GP : 7/27/2014 10:33 am : link
Gotta love the crowd giving the advice to leave the animal alone. Hey, maybe you can pet it some day!

Get a shotgun and shoot the thing. It's become a threat. Survival of the fittest .. or something like that.

I'm not a hunter and I don't like killing animals, but this is an easy call when your children are at risk.
GP wants me to shoot  
Randy in CT : 7/27/2014 10:37 am : link
my cat?
Randy, you can always get another one.  
GP : 7/27/2014 10:41 am : link
Been looking for three days  
capone : 7/27/2014 5:13 pm : link
Got those annoying stickers in my clothes - but no lion sightings - I have a shotgun with bean bags and a rifle ready to go as needed .. My daughter was hoping we could trap it and give it to the zoo so she could visit it - now she's crying that I may shoot it - should have had all boys she's a pain in the ass
RE: Been looking for three days  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/27/2014 6:04 pm : link
In comment 11783258 capone said:
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Got those annoying stickers in my clothes - but no lion sightings - I have a shotgun with bean bags and a rifle ready to go as needed .. My daughter was hoping we could trap it and give it to the zoo so she could visit it - now she's crying that I may shoot it - should have had all boys she's a pain in the ass


lmao, love this post.

Good luck buddy.
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