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NFT?: Ohio State fires band director over sexualized culture

Mike in Long Beach : 7/24/2014 2:50 pm
Not sure what to make of this. From the examples cited in the article, some of the things the students did, while a little over the top, don't strike me as anything too removed from what many college students do to have fun.

Not defending it per se, just saying I'm not sure how I feel about firing the band director over this...

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Examples of abuse include an annual midnight band practice at Ohio Stadium in which men and women were expected to march wearing only their underwear. In one recent year, a student suffered alcohol poisoning at the practice. Students led the rehearsal, but staff members, including Waters, were there, too.

Some other traditions: All new band members, or “rookies,” were given nicknames, many of which were sexually explicit. Rookies were forced to perform “tricks” on command. In one case, a female student was told to imitate a sexual act on the laps of other band members, including her brother.

Several witnesses said that students performed a “flying 69” on tour buses, in which band members hung from the luggage racks and posed in a sexual position. Waters was on the bus when that happened as recently as last fall, according to a band staff member who quit last year.

The staff member told investigators she resigned from the band because Waters would not address alcohol abuse on that trip.

An “unofficial” songbook was part of the evidence that investigators provided to university leaders, with raunchy lyrics set to school songs at other colleges.

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actually  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 12:27 pm : link
both you and YAJ used it incorrectly.

chris r then fucked up when trying to correct you or YAJ (or both of you).

the difference is, adults can admit when they made a mistake, children can't.

and for those of you who are wondering why i'm making a big deal of this, or are just clueless in general (AGF), chris r follows me around from thread to thread pointing out that i don't capitalize words properly.
RE: no it's not  
chris r : 7/25/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11781323 M in CT said:
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because it wasn't a spelling or logical error.

so, to answer my question from before, yes, you are this dumb. thanks.


Certainly you can't be this obtuse by accident.

From what I've already quoted: "or other matter that might otherwise be taken as an error of transcription."

And you are correct about brackets vs parentheses. Its kind of like scoring a TD down 44 - 0 at the two minute warning.

holy shit  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 12:31 pm : link
it wasn't an error in transcription, nor could it reasonably be taken as an error in transcription. it wasn't a fucking typo.

how many fucking times were you dropped on your head as a child?
Appreciate the shout out  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/25/2014 12:38 pm : link
Unfortunately, your original point was you saying he wasn't correcting an error at all. You actually made sure to dismiss the spelling side of it. Now you're back to "nitpicking".

If only they gave black belts for back tracking.
well  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 12:44 pm : link
it's a good thing you're here to piggyback on someone else's argument as usual, Salacious.

one of these days you'll be all grown up and you can have a debate all by yourself.
You're the one that wanted to make this thread about you  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/25/2014 12:48 pm : link
You're welcome.

Plus, I'm not even having the same argument as chris r. I don't give two shits how sic is used. It's the fact that you came on this thread swinging your dick around and completely whiffed. But this is just me addressing another one of your posts where you're dodging and/or backtracking the topic at hand that you started.

If you have a problem with people replying to posts on a public forum, you're free to leave.
RE: RE: yes  
BMac : 7/25/2014 12:52 pm : link
In comment 11781254 chris r said:
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In comment 11781245 M in CT said:


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one of us makes a conscious decision not to capitalize because he's not being graded on his BBI posts, and the other of us doesn't know what "sic" is used for in modern English, but just throws it into a sentence anyway in an attempt to look smart.

fair point.



It surely does reflect better on you that you are too lazy to capitalize and that I may have slightly misused sic. Kudos.

But I'm actually not willing to concede that I've misused sic that easily. It is used to denote that an error is being reproduced from the original. Kindly point out how I've misused it.

Or if you'd rather, we could meet and throw down about it.


Nerd fight!
if you think i whiffed  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 12:53 pm : link
then you are just as dumb as chris r and thus, not worth any more of my time this afternoon.

catch you on the next thread where you jump in late to pile on even though you added nothing of substance yourself. or, to put it more concisely, any thread you post on.
for clarification for your argument  
YAJ2112 : 7/25/2014 12:55 pm : link
I simply re-used the phrase that FEK already used, without giving any thought to it's appropriateness.
RE: holy shit  
chris r : 7/25/2014 12:56 pm : link
In comment 11781342 M in CT said:
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it wasn't an error in transcription, nor could it reasonably be taken as an error in transcription. it wasn't a fucking typo.

how many fucking times were you dropped on your head as a child?


For the millionth time, its not about an error in transcription, its about what could be perceived as an error in transcription.

Its not a very subtle distinction. You can do it.
of course, YAJ  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 12:57 pm : link
and it's a common misuse of that phrase, so don't sweat it. it definitely wasn't a typo though (or an "error in transcription"), wouldn't you agree?
RE: RE: holy shit  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11781388 chris r said:
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For the millionth time, its not about an error in transcription, its about what could be perceived as an error in transcription.

Its not a very subtle distinction. You can do it.


explain to me how typing an entire four-word phrase can be perceived as an error in transcription.

this should be good.
I'll take nothing of substance over this shit show  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/25/2014 1:00 pm : link
Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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LOL
M in CT : 11:43 am : link : reply
yes, now that you've looked it up, i see you now understand that it is used to correct an error - in most cases a spelling error, but i won't nitpick.


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but somehow you still don't understand how this:
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turning the other cheek (sic: looking the other way)
is not an example of you having corrected an error?


But wait...change of heart once told that there was an error?

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sorry
M in CT : 11:56 am : link : reply
sic is used for spelling errors and errors in logical progression. not to correct misused idioms.


Tool.
certainly not a typo  
YAJ2112 : 7/25/2014 1:02 pm : link
I typed exactly what I intended to type and didn't misspell anything.
lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/25/2014 1:11 pm : link
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if you think i whiffed
M in CT : 12:53 pm : link : reply
then you are just as dumb as chris r and thus, not worth any more of my time this afternoon.


I love this because:

1) You've committed a grotesque amount of time to this argument (one in which you are wrong).

2) It implies that this would be worth your time if AnotherGiantsFan "wasn't as dumb as Chris," ...and yet, if Chris is so dumb, why has he gotten so much of your precious time? Do you like him more than AnotherGiantsFan? Why is a dumb Chris worth your time but a dumb AnotherGiantsFan isn't?
so  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 1:40 pm : link
the two dumbest posters on the entire board - chris r and Mike in Long Beach - both think i'm wrong.

man, it is going to be rough to get through the rest of this day.
RE: I blame that movie American Pie  
eli4life : 7/25/2014 1:42 pm : link
In comment 11780251 Cam in MO said:
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and "One time at band camp" for creating this disgusting culture.




This has been going on long before American Pie
RE: so  
chris r : 7/25/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 11781454 M in CT said:
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the two dumbest posters on the entire board - chris r and Mike in Long Beach - both think i'm wrong.

man, it is going to be rough to get through the rest of this day.


No. You are incontrovertibly wrong according to reason and have been throughout most your multi-handled posting history.
RE: so  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/25/2014 2:04 pm : link
In comment 11781454 M in CT said:
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the two dumbest posters on the entire board - chris r and Mike in Long Beach - both think i'm wrong.

man, it is going to be rough to get through the rest of this day.


lmao, and apparently AnotherGiantsFan too.'

Why is it going to be rough getting through your day? And I'm still waiting for an explanation on why Chris R's futility is something you're OK delving into, but AnotherGiantsFans "you don't have time for.
I wonder if I should have been in the band and  
Some Fan : 7/25/2014 2:09 pm : link
not on the football team.
well  
M in CT : 7/25/2014 2:11 pm : link
you're going to be waiting quite a while. similar to how you're waiting for a woman who can actually stand to be in the same room as you.

don't worry, just send out another singing telegram next Valentine's Day. those always work out well.
RE: well  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/25/2014 2:15 pm : link
In comment 11781509 M in CT said:
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you're going to be waiting quite a while. similar to how you're waiting for a woman who can actually stand to be in the same room as you.

don't worry, just send out another singing telegram next Valentine's Day. those always work out well.


lol, noted buddy. Good work on this thread.
Worst...  
Chris in Philly : 7/25/2014 2:18 pm : link
fight...ever.
There is a metric fuck-ton of wtf on this thread.  
shepherdsam : 7/25/2014 2:19 pm : link

Totally unexpected, wonderful surprise. Thanks all.
Sik thred  
Wuphat : 7/25/2014 2:22 pm : link
Eet Fuk
RE: Worst...  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/25/2014 2:52 pm : link
In comment 11781520 Chris in Philly said:
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fight...ever.


lmao
One member of the band  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/27/2014 1:08 pm : link
thinks OSU making the big deal of this that it has is actually the issue. Quotes below:

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ABC 6/FOX 28 talked to a woman, who is identified with a sexually explicit nickname in the university's 23 page report. She did not want to be identified. "The people who gave me this name were the same people who taught me and coached me for a whole summer, who gave me pep talks when I thought I just wasn’t going to cut it, who became and still are my best friends and a family to me," the woman said.

She goes on to say the name was not shameful or sexist, but a preferred name. Now, she says she feels objectified and sexualized from the way the university and media handled the situation. "And despite being mentioned several times in this report, not once was an attempt made by any on the investigating team to contact me and find out if anything that was being written about me was accurate," the woman said.

The woman adds, Waters never referred to her as her nickname, only her first name.


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OSU's marching band and the Columbus Symphony Orchestra performed at Picnic with the Pops, Saturday night, in the Columbus Commons. As the crowd gathered, a plane flew a banner over the event, saying, "We Stand With Jon." Kyle Hudson started a campaign on the website, indiegogo.com, taking donations for the banner. He says they met their financial goal in two hours.

As the pilot flew the banner over the event, the crowd clapped. ABC 6/FOX 28 talked to band members parents in the crowd. Scott Mills says this year will mark his son's third year in the band. "I thought it was great. Wed saw everybody pointing and we looked up there and it was like. Jon's a great guy and the kids are devastated," Mills said.

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Eh, I have no doubt that a large number of the band's  
Rob in NYC : 7/27/2014 1:12 pm : link
members don't have a problem with this, but the University's potential liability or public relations issues don't stem from the many, but the few.
I've been pretty out of the loop for awhile  
GMenLTS : 7/27/2014 1:48 pm : link
has it been confirmed that M in CT is the jake reincarnate?

He's like a carbon copy.
To circle back to the Paterno comparison  
Wuphat : 7/27/2014 2:17 pm : link
I think we can all agree that the Penn State situation was far worse, yet there were sill examples of students that didn't see what all the fuss was about.

Color me un-surprised that young adults with (most likely) little real world experience outside of institutionalized education systems haven't yet developed a complete sense of the gravity of these situations.

We certainly have examples of just that thing here on this website.

Metlz -- I'm pretty sure he denies it, but I do believe that is the prevailing hypothesis.
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