he was arguably the best player on our team last year. I'm so pissed off at him.
But I hope he gets his shit together and figures it out. I'm glad he's out of the NFC and I hope he grows up in Baltimore. He could be an All Pro if he ever gets his priorities straight.
Being cut could be the kick in the ass he needed Â
"Football, discipline, life discipline — it's all the same thing," Harbaugh said. "It's pretty hard to be successful in any walk of life without great self-discipline. So, we talk to these guys; we tried to get out in front if it with those guys.
"A couple of things we told them [Wednesday]. ... You've got to understand that while you may be 22, 23, 25, 26, it's not your 22- and 23-year-old buddies. You're not in the same position they are in. You have to grow up faster than your pals, so you can't go home and run with your pals and think you're in the same place that they're in. It's a privilege to have a job like this."
It comes down to winning...the Ravens need safeties
@RavensInsider: Ozzie Newsome on Will Hill: 'If we need it, Will will provide depth in the middle of the season.'
@BenVolin: #Ravens sign Will Hill. Ozzie Newsome loves those #Gators safeties
@RapSheet: The #Ravens sign talented and suspended safety Will Hill. He’ll sit out the first 6 games. But seems like he found a good landing spot
@art_stapleton: Remember: Will Hill was not solely released by #NYG because of drug suspension despite what some would like to believe. It was reliability.
some team in the division. It will suck if he turns this around for another team in the football sense. It would really suck if he turned it around for the Eagles, Cowboys, or Redskins.
as the Will Hill cut. I thought Joey in VA's thread about the "going to c**p" offseason was premature when he posted it, but after Hill's departure, I was pretty much of the same mind.
The non-selection of Aaron Donald may overtake the Hill cut, if Donald turns into a star, though. But ODB's gametape sure looks terrific.
...an organization noted for the support it provides to players, why would he suddenly change when he goes to an loose franchise that currently is seeing a spate of arrests?
RE: if Will Hill couldn't get his shit together with the Giants.... Â
...an organization noted for the support it provides to players, why would he suddenly change when he goes to an loose franchise that currently is seeing a spate of arrests?
...an organization noted for the support it provides to players, why would he suddenly change when he goes to an loose franchise that currently is seeing a spate of arrests?
Because sometimes, it finally clicks with certain guys and they realize they're really down to their last chance.
I wouldn't bet on it or say the odds are in his favor but it's entirely possible and won't surprise me at all. If he blows this, he'll never get another chance and his NFL career is over.
could clean his act up and become a HOF player, and I still wouldn't fault the Giants for cutting him. They gave him one chance after another, after another, after another. He has awesome talent, but he's just an irresponsible, selfish, pothead.
RE: if Will Hill couldn't get his shit together with the Giants.... Â
...an organization noted for the support it provides to players, why would he suddenly change when he goes to an loose franchise that currently is seeing a spate of arrests?
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Glad he's not in the NFC East.
It wouldn't surprise me if he turned things around....also wouldn't surprise me to hear he failed another test though
Just don't see it. Not getting drafted didn't seem to help. Nor his last suspension. Wasted ability which is sadly not uncommon. Maybe he turns it around but I don't think he gets it.
Will Hill was seen celebrating after signing with the Ravens. Â
and I'm disappointed that the Giatns had to cut him but Stapleton is probably on the money saying that it wasn't just the weed so let's not make it out to be only that. What we already know is already is his past behavior in college during his original draft interviews, his failure to pay child support and his reported trashing of the apartment he was renting. He didn't kill anybody (that we know of) but the Giants made a decision that he wasn't worth the aggravation despite his amazing talent.
certain situations for it to happen. The Giants organization in no heaven. Not everyone that played for this team was devoid of drug problems. They have had their share also..
I just hope for the person, Will Hill get's his stuff together and becomes a better, drug-free individual..
You can see that it made a huge difference once he came back. We should have kept him, but regardless staying in Jersey he was never gonna improve... Hopefully he gets it together in Baltimore... Any how with the improvements in our secondary I have no problems letting him go...
My guess is that Hill comes back and plays great Â
Any of you have kids? Think they've ever done pot? It's not quite the same as rape or murder. If either of my sons smoked weed (probably have) I think I'd still be on their side and wouldn't be ready to write them off.
Personally, I hope Will can stay clean and reach his potential as a football player in Baltimore. I was sorry to see the Giants let him go, but certainly understood the decision....he's not someone you can count on. Nonetheless I wish him good luck in football and in life.
was a rash decision and they should have kept him. A correct decision won't haunt you just because he comes back and plays well for another team. The Giants took a chance on him and he repaid them with repeated stupidity. You don't look back and regret ridding yourself of a guy who repeatedly screws you, no matter what.
I hope he gets his life together. He cleaned up some portions of his act and that was very positive, but he couldn't lay off the weed and after he failed a drug test for the umpteenth time they cut him.
I was making fun of the Ravens, who generally deserve the scorn for the parade of great citizens that are or have been a part of the organization.
New set of friends away from home(Jersey City) He'll be a top safety in this league over the next 4 years or so. Hes out this year. If he can just stop smoking pot, which is easy, no physical withdrawal symptoms, he will be a playmaking safety. I understand the Giants had to bag him after all his mistakes. But if, its a big if, one that will probably come true, he will be balling if he keeps a straight head. People put all the credit on Beason saving the Giant's defense last year, but I give as much credit to Hill. He plays sideline to sideline 100 percent. I would take the risk if I was a GM, get him away from his friends, have a vet shadow him, etc.
Or it could be a flop. But being the way it is, he will probably be returning a pick 6 against us next time we play him. Giants luck
wow arent't we all glad the giants are such an honorable, first class organization, cutting the best player on our defense because he smokes the devil's plant?
he's so f#cking good people will keep giving him chances. he isnt just a pothead who is getting his balls busted about weed, he is truly a low-life. lots of guys on the team blaze, its not about that
wow arent't we all glad the giants are such an honorable, first class organization, cutting the best player on our defense because he smokes the devil's plant?
/sarcasm
This is gonna screw us.
They cut him because his stupid ass can't stay on the field and is facing a yearlong suspension the next time he fails a drug test.
...an organization noted for the support it provides to players, why would he suddenly change when he goes to an loose franchise that currently is seeing a spate of arrests?
Him changing has nothing to do with the org and everything to do about himself.
To say with certainty he won't turn things around is about as silly as saying with certainty that he will haunt the Giants.
they cut him because his ostensible addiction (to a plant that plenty of the MJ-philes in our midst insist isn't addictive) was keeping him off the field, and because they couldn't rely on him to stay on the field when he is a backslide away from a year-long suspension. This isn't the prudery of the FO at work. This was a business decision and, painful though it is and likely will be, the right one.
wow arent't we all glad the giants are such an honorable, first class organization, cutting the best player on our defense because he smokes the devil's plant?
/sarcasm
This is gonna screw us.
They cut him because his stupid ass can't stay on the field and is facing a yearlong suspension the next time he fails a drug test.
I understand that.
So cut him if/when he's suspended for a year. He was dirt cheap. Why pre-emptively cut him?
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To say with certainty he won't turn things around is about as silly as saying with certainty that he will haunt the Giants.
Once someone needs more than, say, a third chance, I think it's an exceedingly good possibility that said person is not going to change their life anytime soon.
You cut him now because actions have consequences Â
to bury him on the depth chart and let guys get reps ahead of him then see what the best option is week 7. And if he fails a test again its a year suspension and then you cut him.
Nothing could come of it but if injuries make safety extremely thin and not very talented this season it will look like a terrible decision in hindsight
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to bury him on the depth chart and let guys get reps ahead of him then see what the best option is week 7. And if he fails a test again its a year suspension and then you cut him.
Nothing could come of it but if injuries make safety extremely thin and not very talented this season it will look like a terrible decision in hindsight
They told him no more second chances. They actually gave him another second chance. Your ultimatums become less believable the more you ignore them. He had ample opportunity to succeed here long-term and failed. Hopefully he will have better luck as a Raven.
I do understand the decision and why they made it. Â
(if I may), I think he is saying that it was a mistake for the Giants to issue the ultimatum to Hill in the first place. I agree that if you issue the ultimatum, you need to follow through on it.
(if I may), I think he is saying that it was a mistake for the Giants to issue the ultimatum to Hill in the first place. I agree that if you issue the ultimatum, you need to follow through on it.
I don't think there was anything wrong with the ultimatum. They take fliers on troubled players on a regular basis, and it really worked out with Will Hill. But the next guy who comes along under a similar cloud, whether or not he has Will Hill's talent level, needs to know that they're serious when they say A second chance.
Like I said before, the Giants just had no choice here. It's unfortunate because I still think there's a chance he turns it around and has an awesome carer. But you really can't fault NYG at all. They did all they could to accommodate this guy. At some point, you have to put your foot down.
RE: Being cut could be the kick in the ass he needed Â
Not getting drafted didn't seem to help. Nor his last suspension. Wasted ability which is sadly not uncommon. Maybe he turns it around but I don't think he gets it.
Thank you. Let's see if we can follow Hill's timeline...
Character problems and marijuana kept him from being drafted by ALL 32 NFL teams.
Giants give him a chance.
PED suspension in 2012.
Giants don't like it, but give him another chance.
4 game suspension for weed in 2013
Giants still don't like it, but give him another chance.
6 game suspension for weed in 2014.
The end.
Yet some folks, blinded by talent, still wanted the Giants to give him another chance after they already gave him THREE and he still couldn't show the teams some respect and keep himself on the straight? Really?
Some people will think it wasn't the right move to cut such a talented player who actually got off a tad easy with only six games as opposed to a full season.
Some people think it would greatly impact the organization's credibility with its players and personnel by letting someone fuck up over and over again and not have any consequences.
Neither answer is wrong. These are opinions, folks.
Its not the weed, he has a history of destructive behavior Â
He kept at it until he got suspended again, this time for 8 games. At some point you just get fed up with it. As pointed out, the next stop is a 1 year suspension. If he didn't stop at 1/2 a year what confidence is there that he would stop now? No matter how good he is physically, if he isn't on the field it doesn't help.
Isn't physically addictive, that's the argument I normally see. It's closer to gambling and shopping addiction than heroin or nicotine and their chemical dependency.
"Some drugs are very physically and psychologically addictive and have obvious, terrible withdrawal symptoms. These are easy to identify, such as heroin, barbiturates or alcohol. Others like marijuana are psychologically addictive, and the withdrawal includes psychological symptoms like anxiety, mood swings and depression. "
When asked if he's done with marijuana, Hill replied: "Everything is behind me."
"Good football player, got a chance to get to know him, I like where his head's at this time right now," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "So, we'll see how he does."
When asked if he's done with marijuana, Hill replied: "Everything is behind me."
"Good football player, got a chance to get to know him, I like where his head's at this time right now," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "So, we'll see how he does."
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I hope so for the kid's sake, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't think he'll ever get it. Too bad because he is a force on the field. But just when he is making an real impact he fucks up again. Sad
him. He's been suspended for marijuana and adderall, not exactly america's most wanted.
He'll probably join the Ravens after the 6 game suspension do well and then be suspended for 1 year/indefinitely in the off-season after his next incident.
Low risk for the Ravens, the Giants could no longer rely on him and the Ravens are planning it like they don't have to.
Not sure why the butthurt feelings, the regrets, or the surprise.
that he deserves sympathy because it's an addiction. And you have other people saying that not only is it not addictive but it cures hemorrhoids and smooths out your skin. Well what is it? Is it an addiction or is he an idiot? There are of course some middle grounds (compulsion/mental problems, for one) but at least one of those assertions would seem to be wrong.
that he deserves sympathy because it's an addiction. And you have other people saying that not only is it not addictive but it cures hemorrhoids and smooths out your skin. Well what is it? Is it an addiction or is he an idiot? There are of course some middle grounds (compulsion/mental problems, for one) but at least one of those assertions would seem to be wrong.
It's not about being kind to Will Hill. It's about having one of the best safeties in football for the last ten games.
get why the giants parted ways, but given how he played last year, it really sucks that it ended up that way. time will tell whether he gets his act together or hangs out with bubbles in hamsterdam.
team as being similar to a military unit. When you can't trust a team member, when you can't count on a team member, when you give them multiple chances and they continue to fail, eventually you cut your losses and get rid of that person. I do it in my unit and I'm glad the Giants did it in theirs.
Today was just the anticipated blow. Baltimore has their new Ed Reid. You don't cut guys with Will Hill's demonstrated talent just for a 6 game suspension
Jon Beason surely made a difference when we signed him, but guess who returned at the same time?
He did not give a shit at Florida and got suspended. He did not give a shit before the draft and went un-drafted. He did not give a shit with the Giants and got suspended not 1 time, not twice, but 3 times. Plus all the other crap he does not give a shot about.
He happens to be very good at playing football, but the only thing he really cares about is lighting up.
if he plays the last 10 games, he will have played 34 and been suspended for 14. You can not rely on that
Nicks caught nothing but shit for being hurt each year and managed to miss only 10 games in 5 years
There was this real scumbag who played for the Giants. Â
He was always in trouble. He twice tested positive for marijuana - oh, no - that was cocaine that he tested positive for and was one more positive test away from a year long suspension. The last we heard of him he was being charged with soliciting sex from a minor.
In contrast to Taylor’s glory and fame on the gridiron, his personal life has been marred and ravaged by drug addiction and controversy. Taylor admitted that he had a problem with alcohol, however his drug of choice was Cocaine. Taylor tested positive for cocaine while playing in the NFL in 1987, and was suspended for 30 days from the league, and tested positive again in 1988. After testing positive twice, he supposedly gave up drugs for the next five years as a third positive test would have ended his career.
Why did the Giants keep this low life?
Because they wanted to win the Super Bowl and needed him.
Then there was this WW2 general who probably belonged in a psycho ward. Twice within a week he committed one of the most reprehensible acts that any general could do to a soldier?
On August 10, a similar scene took place at the 93rd Evacuation Hospital when Patton again encountered a soldier he believed was malingering. Screaming that the man was "a goddamned coward" and a "yellow son of a bitch," Patton declared that, "I won’t have these brave men here who have been shot seeing a yellow bastard sitting here crying." Patton then pulled his pistol and shoving it in the terrified soldier’s face, slapped the soldier and ordered the hospital commander to "get that man out of here right away. I won’t have these boys seeing such a bastard babied."
Had Patton been a lesser general his career most certainly would have ended after Sicily. The reason that his superiors elected to retain him was best summarized by Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy who told Eisenhower: "Lincoln’s remark when they got after Grant comes to mind when I think of Patton – ‘I can’t spare this man – he fights.’"
Why did the army let him keep his rank and his command?
Because they wanted to win the war in Europe and they needed him.
policy in the beginning is not like it is now. He admitted that when he did get suspended he had used another teammates urine that tested positive. He said if that where using his urine he would have been suspended for many years or life because he was using some many drugs at the time. Hey it was the 80s the beginning of the crack epidemic.
It's revisionist history to say LT would've missed this or that Â
Or maybe LT would have stopped doing coke during the season? How the hell do you know? The fact is (and that is all we have are the facts) that LT rarely missed games, and none for drugs. He knew the rules and played within them.
to Will Hill. If you can poke holes in it, please fire away.
Paterson, I don't want to disillusion you, but LT was suspended for violation of NFL drug policy.
LT sat out the fist four games of 1988.
Lawrence Taylor, the New York Giants' All-Pro linebacker, has been suspended for 30 days by the National Football League for violating the league's substance abuse policy, the NFL announced today.
The suspension will cause Taylor to miss the first four games of the season, starting with Monday night's game against the Super Bowl champion Washington Redskins.
Like Hill, a third violation would have resulted in a full year suspension. Unlike Hill, LT, we know, substituted teammates' urine on at least one occasion to avoid that third strike. And, at least to some, the fact that the drug of choice was cocaine might be an additional reason to say that LT was a badder dude than Hill.
Did LT play in games when on coke? I don't know that that's ever been proven. We have seen some of the acts that he has committed after retirement, and they are not very pretty.
I love LT as much as anyone. He had personal weaknesses (don't we all) that drove him to substance abuse. I'm glad that the Giants stayed with him and probably kept him out of more trouble. Like Patton, hated by a great many, kept his job because the US Army discovered in the North Africa campaign and Sicilian campaign that they were very short of competent army commanders in the field. The needed Patton out there to play a big part in the war after the Normandy invasion.
I don't think that the loss of Hill is likely to cost a Super Bowl, but he was a very good player and just maybe he deserved the same treatment as Taylor.
Giants chose to move on from hill, end of story. Its amazing how some or you fuckers will go on and on and on about hill and weed and all this other bullshit. Isn't anybody looking forward to this season or will it be mid-december and you bitches will still be fucking carrying on about hill and weed?
this topic has been beaten to death when they officially announced his suspension. I will add that I understand the rules are the rules, and we could no longer depend on Hill to be there, but I do think the NFL should look into revisiting their marijuana policy. After hearing about how pervasive the painkiller culture in NFL locker rooms is, marijuana doesn't sound like a bad option when you compare it to oxycontin, and vicodin. It is debatable whether or not pot is truly addictive, however it is not debatable that pot is much safer than popping oxycontin, and I'd argue to the death that those pills are much more addictive.
I wish him nothing but the best. He's an awesome player on the field, and I think it's bullshit that Ray Rice gets a slap on the wrist, when what he did is 100s of times worse.
is more about reliability and consistency. Why not let a reliable guy gain experience and cohesiveness with the D and not worry about him getting suspended in the middle of a run. Leading to a defensive collapse.
With Hill you had to worry about injuries AND suspension. Not saying he was injury prone, just saying any player can get injured.
Main reason for bringing it up was Beason injury, which history tells us is going to be a lot harder for him to fully recover from than they are saying. Instead of two hard hitters running around behind the line we may have zero.
Hope there is no reason to bring him up again this year. But I've got to believe that Parcells and Accorsi would have acted differently. What good is a roster of Eagle Scouts if they only take you to the playoffs once in seven years.
Reese's Pieces: They've made the playoff three times in seven years. Â
Personally, I would have kept him, because pot is already evolving into such a minor offense--or no offense at all--in most of this country. And he was very good indeed.
The comparison with LT is eminently fair. The drug policy in the NFL may have been weak back then, but possession of coke was a felony, not a misdemeanor like pot, or as in many states, an offense below a misdemeanor.
The mitigating factor is that Hill showed himself to be a douchebag in other ways, like the infamous on-line photo with, um, women of lesser virtue. We have no way of knowing what else the Giants were taking into account about Hill other than his possession charges and and suspensions.
Compared to LT, Hill is a little peice of snot... Â
What matters is how the league views it. There are plenty of legal, over the counter drugs that are banned by the league. The only time we hear about them is when a player doesn't ask "Can I take this?" and gets in trouble for taking a cold medicine.
why would you have kept Hill? Doesn't matter what he used as it relates to our Laws..What matters MOST is that he was told NOT to do it again and was informed of the consequences if he did, yet, he STILL did it anyway, so he's gone..
is a terrible one. For starters, LT stayed within the rules of the league - Hill did not.
LT did not let teh organization down time and again - he lifted them up.
For the people talking about this being a pot issue, what about Hill's derelict behavior towards payment of child support, his treatment of rented property, or his inability to abide by league and team rules?
If Will Hill is going to fuck us from another Conference, he'll have to stay clean and free until the Super Bowl. Those odds are much better against him staying clean than the Giants-Ravens meeting in the title game.
Hill won't even make it to Game 7 for the Ravens Â
(except that one time he was caught, and all the times he wasn't), while committing repeated felonies of possession of a controlled substance, was better?
Of course it was, because LT was a far greater player.
But I hope he gets his shit together and figures it out. I'm glad he's out of the NFC and I hope he grows up in Baltimore. He could be an All Pro if he ever gets his priorities straight.
It wouldn't surprise me if he turned things around....also wouldn't surprise me to hear he failed another test though
"Football, discipline, life discipline — it's all the same thing," Harbaugh said. "It's pretty hard to be successful in any walk of life without great self-discipline. So, we talk to these guys; we tried to get out in front if it with those guys.
"A couple of things we told them [Wednesday]. ... You've got to understand that while you may be 22, 23, 25, 26, it's not your 22- and 23-year-old buddies. You're not in the same position they are in. You have to grow up faster than your pals, so you can't go home and run with your pals and think you're in the same place that they're in. It's a privilege to have a job like this."
It comes down to winning...the Ravens need safeties
this sucks.
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@RapSheet: The #Ravens sign talented and suspended safety Will Hill. He’ll sit out the first 6 games. But seems like he found a good landing spot
@art_stapleton: Remember: Will Hill was not solely released by #NYG because of drug suspension despite what some would like to believe. It was reliability.
I know this is a BBI mantra that gets picked on, but I'm going to use it for the first time.
Cutting Will Hill is going to come back to haunt us.
That said, I won't be surprised at all if he winds up being a stud in BAL.
That said, I won't be surprised at all if he winds up being a stud in BAL.
Yeah I don't blame the Giants (anymore), but I still think we would have been better off with him than without.
The non-selection of Aaron Donald may overtake the Hill cut, if Donald turns into a star, though. But ODB's gametape sure looks terrific.
The "war on drugs" still throwing people into prison for smoking weed? Thought they figured out better ways to waste our tax money?
In Baltimore,and with his relaxation method, someone is likely to.
If it doesn't work out no harm no foul
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if he's in prison by Christmas.
The "war on drugs" still throwing people into prison for smoking weed? Thought they figured out better ways to waste our tax money?
Probably not, but with the Ravens there's a fighting chance he'll graduate to something more serious.
He won't
Will Hill is much more likely to haunt whatever team he's on.
Because sometimes, it finally clicks with certain guys and they realize they're really down to their last chance.
I wouldn't bet on it or say the odds are in his favor but it's entirely possible and won't surprise me at all. If he blows this, he'll never get another chance and his NFL career is over.
What if he loves irony even more than weed?
It wouldn't surprise me if he turned things around....also wouldn't surprise me to hear he failed another test though
Just don't see it. Not getting drafted didn't seem to help. Nor his last suspension. Wasted ability which is sadly not uncommon. Maybe he turns it around but I don't think he gets it.
I just hope for the person, Will Hill get's his stuff together and becomes a better, drug-free individual..
But if someone were giving odds on him getting a one year suspension, I know which way I would bet. Large.
I was a big supporter, and hope I am wrong, for Hills sake, but the reason he isn't a Giant isn't for lack of second chances.
Personally, I hope Will can stay clean and reach his potential as a football player in Baltimore. I was sorry to see the Giants let him go, but certainly understood the decision....he's not someone you can count on. Nonetheless I wish him good luck in football and in life.
I was making fun of the Ravens, who generally deserve the scorn for the parade of great citizens that are or have been a part of the organization.
Or it could be a flop. But being the way it is, he will probably be returning a pick 6 against us next time we play him. Giants luck
Phil was right on with his post..
Ive liked will hill since he was in college, giants took a gamble and it was a pleasure to watch him every game just dominating the game
wow
/sarcasm
This is gonna screw us.
/sarcasm
This is gonna screw us.
They cut him because his stupid ass can't stay on the field and is facing a yearlong suspension the next time he fails a drug test.
Him changing has nothing to do with the org and everything to do about himself.
To say with certainty he won't turn things around is about as silly as saying with certainty that he will haunt the Giants.
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wow arent't we all glad the giants are such an honorable, first class organization, cutting the best player on our defense because he smokes the devil's plant?
/sarcasm
This is gonna screw us.
They cut him because his stupid ass can't stay on the field and is facing a yearlong suspension the next time he fails a drug test.
I understand that.
So cut him if/when he's suspended for a year. He was dirt cheap. Why pre-emptively cut him?
Once someone needs more than, say, a third chance, I think it's an exceedingly good possibility that said person is not going to change their life anytime soon.
Nothing could come of it but if injuries make safety extremely thin and not very talented this season it will look like a terrible decision in hindsight
Nothing could come of it but if injuries make safety extremely thin and not very talented this season it will look like a terrible decision in hindsight
They told him no more second chances. They actually gave him another second chance. Your ultimatums become less believable the more you ignore them. He had ample opportunity to succeed here long-term and failed. Hopefully he will have better luck as a Raven.
again..next time year suspension. ..rather see
other guys make team
I don't think there was anything wrong with the ultimatum. They take fliers on troubled players on a regular basis, and it really worked out with Will Hill. But the next guy who comes along under a similar cloud, whether or not he has Will Hill's talent level, needs to know that they're serious when they say A second chance.
Thank you. Let's see if we can follow Hill's timeline...
Character problems and marijuana kept him from being drafted by ALL 32 NFL teams.
Giants give him a chance.
PED suspension in 2012.
Giants don't like it, but give him another chance.
4 game suspension for weed in 2013
Giants still don't like it, but give him another chance.
6 game suspension for weed in 2014.
The end.
Yet some folks, blinded by talent, still wanted the Giants to give him another chance after they already gave him THREE and he still couldn't show the teams some respect and keep himself on the straight? Really?
You only get so many chances to lie to your co workers and your employer.
- Ray Rice
-Ray Lewis
Some people think it would greatly impact the organization's credibility with its players and personnel by letting someone fuck up over and over again and not have any consequences.
Neither answer is wrong. These are opinions, folks.
"Some drugs are very physically and psychologically addictive and have obvious, terrible withdrawal symptoms. These are easy to identify, such as heroin, barbiturates or alcohol. Others like marijuana are psychologically addictive, and the withdrawal includes psychological symptoms like anxiety, mood swings and depression. "
When asked if he's done with marijuana, Hill replied: "Everything is behind me."
"Good football player, got a chance to get to know him, I like where his head's at this time right now," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "So, we'll see how he does."
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When asked if he's done with marijuana, Hill replied: "Everything is behind me."
"Good football player, got a chance to get to know him, I like where his head's at this time right now," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "So, we'll see how he does."
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I hope so for the kid's sake, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't think he'll ever get it. Too bad because he is a force on the field. But just when he is making an real impact he fucks up again. Sad
He'll probably join the Ravens after the 6 game suspension do well and then be suspended for 1 year/indefinitely in the off-season after his next incident.
Low risk for the Ravens, the Giants could no longer rely on him and the Ravens are planning it like they don't have to.
Not sure why the butthurt feelings, the regrets, or the surprise.
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they cut him because his ostensible addiction (to a plant that plenty of the MJ-philes in our midst insist isn't addictive)
And this little thing called "science". You should check it out.
Condescension from potheads. I will cry myself to sleep tonight.
No, but he has shown an addiction to stupidity that he can't seem to kick.
It's not about being kind to Will Hill. It's about having one of the best safeties in football for the last ten games.
And he might still be playing.
He's probably a complete douchebag though, so as fans at least we get the satisfaction of knowing that.
Nice rental history, Will.
Jon Beason surely made a difference when we signed him, but guess who returned at the same time?
Nothing to do but look forward now....
He happens to be very good at playing football, but the only thing he really cares about is lighting up.
if he plays the last 10 games, he will have played 34 and been suspended for 14. You can not rely on that
Nicks caught nothing but shit for being hurt each year and managed to miss only 10 games in 5 years
In contrast to Taylor’s glory and fame on the gridiron, his personal life has been marred and ravaged by drug addiction and controversy. Taylor admitted that he had a problem with alcohol, however his drug of choice was Cocaine. Taylor tested positive for cocaine while playing in the NFL in 1987, and was suspended for 30 days from the league, and tested positive again in 1988. After testing positive twice, he supposedly gave up drugs for the next five years as a third positive test would have ended his career.
Why did the Giants keep this low life?
Because they wanted to win the Super Bowl and needed him.
Then there was this WW2 general who probably belonged in a psycho ward. Twice within a week he committed one of the most reprehensible acts that any general could do to a soldier?
On August 10, a similar scene took place at the 93rd Evacuation Hospital when Patton again encountered a soldier he believed was malingering. Screaming that the man was "a goddamned coward" and a "yellow son of a bitch," Patton declared that, "I won’t have these brave men here who have been shot seeing a yellow bastard sitting here crying." Patton then pulled his pistol and shoving it in the terrified soldier’s face, slapped the soldier and ordered the hospital commander to "get that man out of here right away. I won’t have these boys seeing such a bastard babied."
Had Patton been a lesser general his career most certainly would have ended after Sicily. The reason that his superiors elected to retain him was best summarized by Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy who told Eisenhower: "Lincoln’s remark when they got after Grant comes to mind when I think of Patton – ‘I can’t spare this man – he fights.’"
Why did the army let him keep his rank and his command?
Because they wanted to win the war in Europe and they needed him.
Will Hill will be missing 14 of 48 games - almost 1 full season out of 3. They do not belong in the same conversation as players
Paterson, I don't want to disillusion you, but LT was suspended for violation of NFL drug policy.
LT sat out the fist four games of 1988.
Lawrence Taylor, the New York Giants' All-Pro linebacker, has been suspended for 30 days by the National Football League for violating the league's substance abuse policy, the NFL announced today.
The suspension will cause Taylor to miss the first four games of the season, starting with Monday night's game against the Super Bowl champion Washington Redskins.
Like Hill, a third violation would have resulted in a full year suspension. Unlike Hill, LT, we know, substituted teammates' urine on at least one occasion to avoid that third strike. And, at least to some, the fact that the drug of choice was cocaine might be an additional reason to say that LT was a badder dude than Hill.
Did LT play in games when on coke? I don't know that that's ever been proven. We have seen some of the acts that he has committed after retirement, and they are not very pretty.
I love LT as much as anyone. He had personal weaknesses (don't we all) that drove him to substance abuse. I'm glad that the Giants stayed with him and probably kept him out of more trouble. Like Patton, hated by a great many, kept his job because the US Army discovered in the North Africa campaign and Sicilian campaign that they were very short of competent army commanders in the field. The needed Patton out there to play a big part in the war after the Normandy invasion.
I don't think that the loss of Hill is likely to cost a Super Bowl, but he was a very good player and just maybe he deserved the same treatment as Taylor.
Why because he smokes weed? Some people need to get there shit together, and I don't think it's people that smoke weed.
With Hill you had to worry about injuries AND suspension. Not saying he was injury prone, just saying any player can get injured.
Hope there is no reason to bring him up again this year. But I've got to believe that Parcells and Accorsi would have acted differently. What good is a roster of Eagle Scouts if they only take you to the playoffs once in seven years.
Seems to me that two of the years they didn't make it, Will Hill was on the team.... when he wasn't suspended.
Personally, I would have kept him, because pot is already evolving into such a minor offense--or no offense at all--in most of this country. And he was very good indeed.
The comparison with LT is eminently fair. The drug policy in the NFL may have been weak back then, but possession of coke was a felony, not a misdemeanor like pot, or as in many states, an offense below a misdemeanor.
The mitigating factor is that Hill showed himself to be a douchebag in other ways, like the infamous on-line photo with, um, women of lesser virtue. We have no way of knowing what else the Giants were taking into account about Hill other than his possession charges and and suspensions.
You wanted to go there. It never works out very well.
LT did not let teh organization down time and again - he lifted them up.
For the people talking about this being a pot issue, what about Hill's derelict behavior towards payment of child support, his treatment of rented property, or his inability to abide by league and team rules?
If Will Hill is going to fuck us from another Conference, he'll have to stay clean and free until the Super Bowl. Those odds are much better against him staying clean than the Giants-Ravens meeting in the title game.
He got suspended as well. Not three times and not for 6 games but he definitely broke the rules
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Of course it was, because LT was a far greater player.
what??