NFT: Stephen A. Smith: Don't give a man "elements of provocation"

you sluts!

gets him fired. Doubt it though

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bitch had it coming?

The rant is so incoherent that it's not even fair to say he took a position. He doesn't sound smart enough to link thoughts together and actually form a position.

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But at the same time, we also have to make sure that we learn as much as we can about elements of provocation. Not that there's real provocation, but the elements of provocation, you got to make sure that you address them, because we've got to do is do what we can to try to prevent the situation from happening in any way. And I don't think that's broached enough, is all I'm saying. No point of blame.

Since when has that been a bad thing to say?

In comment 11781402 Wuphat said:

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Awesome alliteration.

because one of the hosts called Erin Andrews a "gutless bitch" and in his non-apology apology went on to say that if she was 15 lbs heavier she would be a waitress at Perkins. Curious to see what he'll do in that he works for ESPN.

instead of doing something with consequences, like fixing an electrical line or operating a forklift.

But I can agree with the idea that a porkier Erin Andrews sure as hell isn't scoring a gig on the #1 Fox NFL broadcast.

presumably the Boston hosts wanted her to do some hard-hitting journalism during the ASG and get him to admit that he had grooved a pitch to Jeter because of course the Captain couldn't double on a real Adam Wainwright fastball.

I so fervently wish for Boston to sink into the Atlantic.

to women..."hey, if you don't want to get hit back, don't hit a man"

Of course, due to the nature of the way he speaks, I could be wrong.

but the good news for him is that he explained his stance so poorly that it almost gives him more of a chance to recover from this.

than just saying "don't hit your man and expect that he won't hit you back."

than Stephen A Smith? Genuinely curious if someone can come up with anyone (let's say not counting politicians since they're too obvious).

He's brutal.

sub out women for men in this, and you'd probably say it's sound advice - don't provoke someone to the point where physical violence seems their likely reaction. If you've ever been in an argument with a certain type of dude, you know there's a point where you can cross a line and that's what's coming. There's ways to avoid that.

As cluttered as Screamin's statement is, prevention advice does not equal victim blaming.

Assuming the person your talking to is capable of this, act accordingly. Whether they should or shouldn't be this way is irrelevant.

Now, a few comedians making the same point, since this is the only way you're actually allowed to voice this sort of opinion:

Jim Jefferies

Chris Rock - Don't hit women - ( New Window )

Stephen A. Smith isn't a brain surgeon or a politician, to be sure, but he is in the business of giving his opinion and in this case his opinion is pretty ----ing close to victim-blaming.

I love the reference in that article to "my boys...". His boys are gonna mess someone up. Yikes. Who exactly are his boys? And when did being l gangsta become cool? I really wish we could go back in time and delete the day THAT happened...

I hope he is on drugs

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and putting the quoted snippet in context - there's nothing contraversial about what he said. Men shouldn't hit women, and women shouldn't provoke men. I'm not sure where the wires are getting crossed for some of you.

talk about how what RR did was incredibly wrong, but we also don't know what happened in the elevator, and that he was likely provoked.

He was all over RR and talked about being raised by his mom and 4 older sisters. The full context isn't being given, in this case.

being raised by his mom and sisters, and would never hit a woman nor condone it. Says men that do need to be dealt with which is pretty much a verbatim quote.

In comment 11781439 BigBlueShock said:

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I love the reference in that article to "my boys...". His boys are gonna mess someone up. Yikes. Who exactly are his boys? And when did being l gangsta become cool? I really wish we could go back in time and delete the day THAT happened...

Being a gangster has pretty much always been cool.

In comment 11781460 eclipz928 said:

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and putting the quoted snippet in context - there's nothing contraversial about what he said. Men shouldn't hit women, and women shouldn't provoke men. I'm not sure where the wires are getting crossed for some of you.

It implies that women are at fault for domestic violence because they provoke men. While that may be true in some cases, most abusers are 'provoked' by things like not having goat for dinner.

In comment 11781427 Nitro said:

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sub out women for men in this, and you'd probably say it's sound advice - don't provoke someone to the point where physical violence seems their likely reaction. If you've ever been in an argument with a certain type of dude, you know there's a point where you can cross a line and that's what's coming. There's ways to avoid that. As cluttered as Screamin's statement is, prevention advice does not equal victim blaming. Assuming the person your talking to is capable of this, act accordingly. Whether they should or shouldn't be this way is irrelevant. Now, a few comedians making the same point, since this is the only way you're actually allowed to voice this sort of opinion: Jim Jefferies Chris Rock - Don't hit women - ( New Window )

Double standards exist. I get the point about equality but it's just how it is. Especially when the example is a pro football player built like a tank and his wife who is half the size of him.

If you actually felt physically threatened by a woman, I can atleast understand where you're coming from if you hit her. If Ronda Rousey went insane and attacked you, ok I get punching her to protect yourself from having your arm ripped off. If a woman tried to stab you with a knife, I understand if you punched her.

But you can't hit a woman for talking shit and getting under your skin. Double standard or not, it's just not a valid enough excuse for a man to hit a woman.

And there's just no way Ray Rice could ever feel physically threatened by his wife unless she pulled a weapon out on him, and heels don't count.

is one of the dumbest people I have ever seen or heard.

In comment 11781474 buford said:

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In comment 11781460 eclipz928 said: Quote: and putting the quoted snippet in context - there's nothing contraversial about what he said. Men shouldn't hit women, and women shouldn't provoke men. I'm not sure where the wires are getting crossed for some of you. It implies that women are at fault for domestic violence because they provoke men. While that may be true in some cases, most abusers are 'provoked' by things like not having goat for dinner.

His comments don't imply that at all.

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But you can't hit a woman for talking shit and getting under your skin. Double standard or not, it's just not a valid enough excuse for a man to hit a woman.

I know you don't condone it and are just talking about "prevention advice".

that deserved cold-cocking a woman basically in public. I would like to know when it is appropriate for me to do that.

In comment 11781483 eclipz928 said:

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In comment 11781474 buford said: Quote: In comment 11781460 eclipz928 said: Quote: and putting the quoted snippet in context - there's nothing contraversial about what he said. Men shouldn't hit women, and women shouldn't provoke men. I'm not sure where the wires are getting crossed for some of you. It implies that women are at fault for domestic violence because they provoke men. While that may be true in some cases, most abusers are 'provoked' by things like not having goat for dinner. His comments don't imply that at all.

Yes they do. What provokes each man? How does a woman know if she is provoking? What is provoking? Again, it places the onus on the victim in this case.

to hitting if your wife provokes you that badly that you are considering a physical response....you can leave the room, take a long walk and a deep breath and figure out whether your marriage is still worth it.

Some people say or do things on the assumption that there are no consequences. If you're way out of your weight class, sometimes you have to be a little careful. If I'm in a bar and one of the Gracie's really pisses me off, I'm going to laugh it off and call it a night.

would probably be the stupidest way to live your life. That, and saying "I don't judge" would be a close second.

to rumors that she may have spit in his face or something like that.

said poorly - think wt he was trying to get across - if you try to take advantage of the fact that men should not hit women and spit in someone's face, kick them in the nads, etc. it may precipitate a violent act, and any consequences the man receives will not undo the damage his violent act committed.

can be omitted when rendering an opinion or judgement on someone..

include water, saliva and chewing gum?

He needs to make it clear that they don't include words. Even then, no excuse, but you can add back a few IQ points. As it stands, I don't think the SC would permit him to be executed, based upon highly diminished capacity. Maybe he is aiming for that.

In comment 11781403 Cam in MO said:

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Quote: But at the same time, we also have to make sure that we learn as much as we can about elements of provocation. Not that there's real provocation, but the elements of provocation, you got to make sure that you address them, because we've got to do is do what we can to try to prevent the situation from happening in any way. And I don't think that's broached enough, is all I'm saying. No point of blame.

WTF... I think the man has talked himself stupid.

that women shouldn't behave belligerently but that's part of a broader point that all people should act in a civilized way towards each other. That obligation obviously extends to guys like Rice not hitting women.

would be if she had a weapon of some kind and I had to defend myself or another person from serious harm. That's it. There"'s no other provocation of any kind that warrants knocking a woman unconscious. None.

nothing that woman could say, and for that matter nothing she could do with her hands, could justify all 200+ pounds of him knocking her unconscious and dragging her through a hotel. This isn't a shove, or a grab, or a smack, serious though those of course are. There isn't a ton of nuance here.

And as a pathetic postscript to this story, SAS's Twitter faithful are besieging Michelle Beadles with all manner of cursing and garbage for pointing out the blatantly obvious.

I'm no Smith fan but he actually made it pretty clear that he agrees 100% with your statement above

and again, we're not discussing an incident that didn't result in injury, "minor" as DV goes. We're talking about brutality from a much larger man. It's the equivalent of bringing up the length of a woman's hemline in discussing a rape case when the rapist came in through her bedroom window.

we know they are wrong
we know they are criminal
we know they probably deserve to be put in jail

referring to anyone who puts their hands on a woman

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their hearts.