I don't care whether it's just the first week of camps, we absolutely should have taken Donald. He is a better DT than Beckham is a WR. DT is a position of need. Oh, and Donald is blowing people up while Beckham nurses a hamstring.
I don't care whether it's just the first week of camps, we absolutely should have taken Donald. He is a better DT than Beckham is a WR. DT is a position of need. Oh, and Donald is blowing people up while Beckham nurses a hamstring.
but he's going to naturally be more productive on the rams dline then he would have over here because they have 3 other 1st picks playing beside him. He's likely going to be singled over there.
DT is not worth a first-round pick but OG is? OK.... Donald will prove that DT IS worth a first rounder.
And BTW, I like Beckham, have warmed to him, but again, Donald better at his position than Beckham at his, and we need DT.
It's become a catch phrase here that we'll trust the brass, deferring to their perceived excellent performance in recent drafts. But the fact of the matter is, our drafts under JR have largely sucked. Go back and look at how many of even our upper round picks are even in the league, let alone on the team. That's a documented fact.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I've said it before; you don't take a Guard with the 12th pick. I wish people would understand that. Martin's gonna be a career Guard (a very good one, I suspect) but we needed a viable receiving threat more than yet another OL (aside from a LT).
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I've said it before; you don't take a Guard with the 12th pick. I wish people would understand that. Martin's gonna be a career Guard (a very good one, I suspect) but we needed a viable receiving threat more than yet another OL (aside from a LT).
Pfft, right over your head.
The point is Zack Martin (whatever position he plays OG or OT) would have been a better choice than Aaron Donald for the Giants.
Beckham could be and should be a better pick than either.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
I don't care whether it's just the first week of camps, we absolutely should have taken Donald. He is a better DT than Beckham is a WR. DT is a position of need. Oh, and Donald is blowing people up while Beckham nurses a hamstring.
I'm impressed with your magical powers to see into the future about how both of their carriers will turn out.
Bravo! Having it all figured out into 1 week into their rookie camps
knew that getting Eli more weapons and fixing the offensive line were the two top priorities during the offseason. Donald could become a Geno Atkins type DT but DT wasn't exactly a huge need for this team.
Question every pick, with a modicum of info, prior to at least a couple years worth of data?
My favorite part is that we haven't missed on a first round pick since William Joseph in 2003 (David Wilson hasn't yet lived up to his draft status but it would be silly to write him off given his youth).
This guy is a game changer and this was a need for the Giants as well. I really feel this should have been the pick for the Giants especially since the Giants fortified the secondary and LB corps. Donald would have help this Dline create pressure and even help the improved secondary thus making this defense tough. Giants could have gone with a WR in the 2nd like Matthews who is also looking very good for the Eagles.. I will say this if Donald turns out to be the next Suh and blows up, the Giants will be kicking themselves for missing the boat on this guy.. Reese will be second guessed again for another bad draft..
This guy is a game changer and this was a need for the Giants as well. I really feel this should have been the pick for the Giants especially since the Giants fortified the secondary and LB corps. Donald would have help this Dline create pressure and even help the improved secondary thus making this defense tough. Giants could have gone with a WR in the 2nd like Matthews who is also looking very good for the Eagles.. I will say this if Donald turns out to be the next Suh and blows up, the Giants will be kicking themselves for missing the boat on this guy.. Reese will be second guessed again for another bad draft..
What about if any of the 20 other 1st round players drafted after Beckam turn out to be All Pro? Will Reese be second guessed or only if Donald turns out to be All Pro?
WTF, he could have drafted any one of those guys...
did the other 11 GMs, who picked players before the Rams picked Donald at #13. Why pick only on Reese- by the same logic all of the other GMs who passed on Donald are just as stupid?
Reese has done really well with 1st Round picks- it's just the other Rounds where he's been fair to terrible.
Actually, IMO this year's draft, except for Berhe, looks very good so far and the UDFAs also look very good. (My issue with Berhe is that he's small, 194 lbs., to play Safety- IMO it's like drafting a 234 lb. to play TE (Beckum)).
Plus we had so many holes to fill after last year, one of which was WR. The way I look at it, Nicks left and so we drafted Beckham because we had no suitable replacement. Linval Joseph left but we have Hankins as a replacement.
IMO we needed a WR more than a DT, especially one who only weighs 285 lbs. Let's see how Donald holds his ground against a double-team block.
Let's wait a few years before we criticize Reese for drafting Beckham over Donald.
1st off the 11 GM's picked players that where higher ranked then Donald and had other position of higher need. 2nd the Giants had a chance for Donald which was also a
high need for the Giants. I said Reese would be questioned again because of his drafts "overall" not just 1st rounds. He's done pretty good with 1st rounds but the rest has been not so good with the past few drafts.
I get what your saying about WR being a high need for the Giants, but I think DT was as well. Pass rush is very important right now for the Giants, it's a huge question mark now without Justin Tuck, JPP coming back from injury, a rookie DE, and DT positon needing to fill the void after losing Linval Joseph.
A strong Defense is very important now with the NFL being a passing league. Look how the Giants got their 2 Superbowls, with a strong pass rush and solid defense. Look what the Seahawk's defense did to the Denver's high powered Offense? The Seahawks are built around a strong defense, and their offense didn't have great WR's?
I just think imo Donald would have been a better pick for the Giants defense. I could be wrong about Donald or Beckham, who knows who turns out better?? I would of still taken my chances with Donald with the 1st rd pick, But that's my opinion..
the giants made the wrong decision. I also wanted donald. The draft was very deep at WR. They could have taken donald in the 1st and drafted a good WR in the 3rd RD.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I've said it before; you don't take a Guard with the 12th pick. I wish people would understand that. Martin's gonna be a career Guard (a very good one, I suspect) but we needed a viable receiving threat more than yet another OL (aside from a LT).
Pfft, right over your head.
The point is Zack Martin (whatever position he plays OG or OT) would have been a better choice than Aaron Donald for the Giants.
Beckham could be and should be a better pick than either.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
Try stating it clearly and you won't be "misunderstood." Had you included the line regarding Beckham in the first statement, it would have provided that clarity.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
You can feel what you want. So can "some scouts". "Some scouts regarded Kelcy Quarles pretty highly, but no team bothered to draft him. The proff of the pudding is that Martin is playing Guard, not Tackle. Guess everyone's wrong but you though.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
You can feel what you want. So can "some scouts". "Some scouts regarded Kelcy Quarles pretty highly, but no team bothered to draft him. The proff of the pudding is that Martin is playing Guard, not Tackle. Guess everyone's wrong but you though.
You can be narrow sighted all you want, but Martin can play either tackle or guard. The team that chose him placed him at guard (they have two starting tackles). At position where those same scouts (feel free to go the archives and read the reports posted on BBI) said he has perennial All Pro potential or at tackle where he'd be at Justin Pugh's level or better.
I know Donald rates out well. The point is Martin would have had a bigger impact on the Giants long term than Donald. Think not? Look at what happened to Linval Joseph and William Beatty. Joseph is gone, Beatty is still in blue.
Let's see how effective is he when the hitting starts.....don't get me wrong I liked him too.....but very happy with our choice..if he gets on the field
That the Giants didn't draft a guy you wanted them to, or making your case that the Giants would have been better off drafting said guy (even though the draft is over and what's done is done).
Where it goes off the rails for me, though, is all of the ridiculous Beckham-bashing. It's July 27 and some of you have him done for the year already. Don't you think that's a little premature? I do.
and giving him a chance to prove he can be a force. It is way early to be talking about other would be picks. I did not want him and was angry about the pick too. I feel the Giants replaced Cruz perfectly when the 'need' was to replace Nicks.
I am hoping Smurphy McHammy proves me wrong and starts on opening day and makes plays all year. But I would feel alot better if he were on the field now.
and giving him a chance to prove he can be a force. It is way early to be talking about other would be picks. I did not want him and was angry about the pick too. I feel the Giants replaced Cruz perfectly when the 'need' was to replace Nicks.
I am hoping Smurphy McHammy proves me wrong and starts on opening day and makes plays all year. But I would feel alot better if he were on the field now.
oh well..
the best or top 3 in the NFL. Doesn't Hurt to play with guys who are that good
In comment 11782575 lugnut said:
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
"He's doing well in camp! OMG! The Giants fucked up!"
Stop with the ridiculous bullshit.
And BTW, I like Beckham, have warmed to him, but again, Donald better at his position than Beckham at his, and we need DT.
It's become a catch phrase here that we'll trust the brass, deferring to their perceived excellent performance in recent drafts. But the fact of the matter is, our drafts under JR have largely sucked. Go back and look at how many of even our upper round picks are even in the league, let alone on the team. That's a documented fact.
He's been awesome...
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I've said it before; you don't take a Guard with the 12th pick. I wish people would understand that. Martin's gonna be a career Guard (a very good one, I suspect) but we needed a viable receiving threat more than yet another OL (aside from a LT).
And you know this how? Absolutely ridiculous statement at this point in their respective careers.
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a 1st round pick.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I've said it before; you don't take a Guard with the 12th pick. I wish people would understand that. Martin's gonna be a career Guard (a very good one, I suspect) but we needed a viable receiving threat more than yet another OL (aside from a LT).
Pfft, right over your head.
The point is Zack Martin (whatever position he plays OG or OT) would have been a better choice than Aaron Donald for the Giants.
Beckham could be and should be a better pick than either.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
I'm impressed with your magical powers to see into the future about how both of their carriers will turn out.
Bravo! Having it all figured out into 1 week into their rookie camps
Our first round pick looks like a wash out for year one.
My favorite part is that we haven't missed on a first round pick since William Joseph in 2003 (David Wilson hasn't yet lived up to his draft status but it would be silly to write him off given his youth).
Our first round pick looks like a wash out for year one.
Got that all figured out after a week into camp
Great job Nostradamus
Amazing some of the dumb things people post
"He's doing well in camp! OMG! The Giants fucked up!"
Stop with the ridiculous bullshit.
You can ask, but you shall not receive.
pads just came out today
so the rave reviews were for walk thrus and such
What about if any of the 20 other 1st round players drafted after Beckam turn out to be All Pro? Will Reese be second guessed or only if Donald turns out to be All Pro?
WTF, he could have drafted any one of those guys...
Please make it stop.....
Reese has done really well with 1st Round picks- it's just the other Rounds where he's been fair to terrible.
Actually, IMO this year's draft, except for Berhe, looks very good so far and the UDFAs also look very good. (My issue with Berhe is that he's small, 194 lbs., to play Safety- IMO it's like drafting a 234 lb. to play TE (Beckum)).
Plus we had so many holes to fill after last year, one of which was WR. The way I look at it, Nicks left and so we drafted Beckham because we had no suitable replacement. Linval Joseph left but we have Hankins as a replacement.
IMO we needed a WR more than a DT, especially one who only weighs 285 lbs. Let's see how Donald holds his ground against a double-team block.
Let's wait a few years before we criticize Reese for drafting Beckham over Donald.
high need for the Giants. I said Reese would be questioned again because of his drafts "overall" not just 1st rounds. He's done pretty good with 1st rounds but the rest has been not so good with the past few drafts.
I get what your saying about WR being a high need for the Giants, but I think DT was as well. Pass rush is very important right now for the Giants, it's a huge question mark now without Justin Tuck, JPP coming back from injury, a rookie DE, and DT positon needing to fill the void after losing Linval Joseph.
A strong Defense is very important now with the NFL being a passing league. Look how the Giants got their 2 Superbowls, with a strong pass rush and solid defense. Look what the Seahawk's defense did to the Denver's high powered Offense? The Seahawks are built around a strong defense, and their offense didn't have great WR's?
I just think imo Donald would have been a better pick for the Giants defense. I could be wrong about Donald or Beckham, who knows who turns out better?? I would of still taken my chances with Donald with the 1st rd pick, But that's my opinion..
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a 1st round pick.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I've said it before; you don't take a Guard with the 12th pick. I wish people would understand that. Martin's gonna be a career Guard (a very good one, I suspect) but we needed a viable receiving threat more than yet another OL (aside from a LT).
Pfft, right over your head.
The point is Zack Martin (whatever position he plays OG or OT) would have been a better choice than Aaron Donald for the Giants.
Beckham could be and should be a better pick than either.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
Try stating it clearly and you won't be "misunderstood." Had you included the line regarding Beckham in the first statement, it would have provided that clarity.
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a 1st round pick.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
You can feel what you want. So can "some scouts". "Some scouts regarded Kelcy Quarles pretty highly, but no team bothered to draft him. The proff of the pudding is that Martin is playing Guard, not Tackle. Guess everyone's wrong but you though.
Giant rookie gets raves
Let's see how he does when the hitting starts
Guy Giants didn't draft gets raves
OMG Reese should be fired I wanted that guy
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In comment 11782593 section125 said:
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a 1st round pick.
Zack Martin would have been a better pick for the Giants than Donald.
I still feel Martin would be a fine Tackle on either side. Some scouts have already said he is likely to be better than Justin Pugh and I think Pugh is pretty good.
You can feel what you want. So can "some scouts". "Some scouts regarded Kelcy Quarles pretty highly, but no team bothered to draft him. The proff of the pudding is that Martin is playing Guard, not Tackle. Guess everyone's wrong but you though.
You can be narrow sighted all you want, but Martin can play either tackle or guard. The team that chose him placed him at guard (they have two starting tackles). At position where those same scouts (feel free to go the archives and read the reports posted on BBI) said he has perennial All Pro potential or at tackle where he'd be at Justin Pugh's level or better.
I know Donald rates out well. The point is Martin would have had a bigger impact on the Giants long term than Donald. Think not? Look at what happened to Linval Joseph and William Beatty. Joseph is gone, Beatty is still in blue.
Where it goes off the rails for me, though, is all of the ridiculous Beckham-bashing. It's July 27 and some of you have him done for the year already. Don't you think that's a little premature? I do.
I am hoping Smurphy McHammy proves me wrong and starts on opening day and makes plays all year. But I would feel alot better if he were on the field now.
I am hoping Smurphy McHammy proves me wrong and starts on opening day and makes plays all year. But I would feel alot better if he were on the field now.
That may help soften the blow for some of you chuckleheads...