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NFT: Americans not good with arithmetic?

DanMetroMan : 7/28/2014 9:54 am

"One of the most vivid arithmetic failings displayed by Americans occurred in the early 1980s, when the A& W restaurant chain released a new hamburger to rival the McDonald’s Quarter Pounder. With a third-pound of beef, the A& W burger had more meat than the Quarter Pounder; in taste tests, customers preferred A& W’s burger. And it was less expensive. A lavish A& W television and radio marketing campaign cited these benefits. Yet instead of leaping at the great value, customers snubbed it.

Only when the company held customer focus groups did it become clear why. The Third Pounder presented the American public with a test in fractions. And we failed. Misunderstanding the value of one-third, customers believed they were being overcharged. Why, they asked the researchers, should they pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as they did for a quarter-pound of meat at McDonald’s. The “4” in “¼,” larger than the “3” in “& #8531;,” led them astray."

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maybe they should have called it  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/28/2014 9:56 am : link
the .333 burger versus McDonald's .250 burger?

Still very sad though.
Haha that's classic  
gmen1234 : 7/28/2014 9:57 am : link
As a middle school math teacher that is spot on. The kids are even worse with number sense now.
Maybe we ain't so dumb.  
TheBigBlueOne : 7/28/2014 10:01 am : link
Maybe we just wanted to eat healthier.
LOL! One small step in the war against obesity  
jcn56 : 7/28/2014 10:04 am : link
and it turned out to be an arithmetic error.
RE: LOL! One small step in the war against obesity  
GIANTSr01 : 7/28/2014 10:06 am : link
In comment 11783664 jcn56 said:
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and it turned out to be an arithmetic error.


I'm surprised someone has tried the "fifth burger". And they could probably charge the same as a quarter-pounder.
I never watch the O'Reilly factor  
Bill L : 7/28/2014 10:07 am : link
but I guess I should change that to "almost never". For some reason I was too lazy to search the cushions to find the remote the other day and it came on.

Anyway, the entire show was devoted to a reporter, Jesse Waters (?), going to various places (the street and beaches) and asking folks general and fairly simple questions about the country and about real simple American history. Nothing original. Stern has done it for years. Taxi quiz show made tons of money doing it, magazines do those tests every so often, etc...but it was hilarious and troubling how stupid...wrong word, ignorant people are about basic elementary school stuff. And the majority of the respondents were people still enrolled in (good) colleges too.

Not really a surprise. I've asked young folk around me things that they should know but don't. Supra 3.0 gpa kids at good schools who can't name their senators or congressmen, a Cabinet member (including Biden), or simple historical facts. So, I don't think the O'Reilly thing was a put on at all. Sad and astounding, all at the same time.
"The Kids are even worse with numders sense now"!  
Some Fan : 7/28/2014 10:12 am : link
That is great. Seems like we have a couple of generations where most will barely have the intellectual capacity to be a barista, cashier (though count your change), or burger flipper.
RE: I never watch the O'Reilly factor  
jcn56 : 7/28/2014 10:12 am : link
In comment 11783678 Bill L said:
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but I guess I should change that to "almost never". For some reason I was too lazy to search the cushions to find the remote the other day and it came on.

Anyway, the entire show was devoted to a reporter, Jesse Waters (?), going to various places (the street and beaches) and asking folks general and fairly simple questions about the country and about real simple American history. Nothing original. Stern has done it for years. Taxi quiz show made tons of money doing it, magazines do those tests every so often, etc...but it was hilarious and troubling how stupid...wrong word, ignorant people are about basic elementary school stuff. And the majority of the respondents were people still enrolled in (good) colleges too.

Not really a surprise. I've asked young folk around me things that they should know but don't. Supra 3.0 gpa kids at good schools who can't name their senators or congressmen, a Cabinet member (including Biden), or simple historical facts. So, I don't think the O'Reilly thing was a put on at all. Sad and astounding, all at the same time.


Without wanting to discount the sadness of the situation, I wonder how different it is in other countries. I was in London on business and remember watching a sketch similar to what Chris Rock used to do asking people on the street basic questions, and the Londoners didn't fare any better than you'd expect the average New Yorker would.
I am not as concerned with kids not knowing history  
Some Fan : 7/28/2014 10:16 am : link
as with kids not knowing basic math. I think it is laziness.
RE:  
GIANTSr01 : 7/28/2014 10:17 am : link
In comment 11783683 Some Fan said:
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That is great. Seems like we have a couple of generations where most will barely have the intellectual capacity to be a barista, cashier (though count your change), or burger flipper.


That's why some fast food joints have automatic change dispensers in place. Bill cost $4.86. Patron pays with a $5, and the dispenser spits out the $0.14
They should ask which would give you a bigger piece of pie  
Some Fan : 7/28/2014 10:18 am : link
1/3 of a pie or 1/4 of a pie?
RE: RE: I never watch the O'Reilly factor  
GIANTSr01 : 7/28/2014 10:19 am : link
In comment 11783684 jcn56 said:
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In comment 11783678 Bill L said:


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but I guess I should change that to "almost never". For some reason I was too lazy to search the cushions to find the remote the other day and it came on.

Anyway, the entire show was devoted to a reporter, Jesse Waters (?), going to various places (the street and beaches) and asking folks general and fairly simple questions about the country and about real simple American history. Nothing original. Stern has done it for years. Taxi quiz show made tons of money doing it, magazines do those tests every so often, etc...but it was hilarious and troubling how stupid...wrong word, ignorant people are about basic elementary school stuff. And the majority of the respondents were people still enrolled in (good) colleges too.

Not really a surprise. I've asked young folk around me things that they should know but don't. Supra 3.0 gpa kids at good schools who can't name their senators or congressmen, a Cabinet member (including Biden), or simple historical facts. So, I don't think the O'Reilly thing was a put on at all. Sad and astounding, all at the same time.



Without wanting to discount the sadness of the situation, I wonder how different it is in other countries. I was in London on business and remember watching a sketch similar to what Chris Rock used to do asking people on the street basic questions, and the Londoners didn't fare any better than you'd expect the average New Yorker would.


These skits have been parts of comedy shows forever. I always wondered how many people they actually interview/tape before they get the idiotic responses they want. Though sadly, I always imagined it's far less than you'd hope.
I agree  
Big Al : 7/28/2014 10:23 am : link
110%.
This is a fail by A&W. Once they  
TheBigBlueOne : 7/28/2014 10:23 am : link
realized that customers thought 1/3 is smaller than 1/4, they should have made pie charts for everyone to see. Everyone likes pie.
Ever notice how these clips are always talked about, laughed at, etc  
Kyle : 7/28/2014 10:25 am : link
and reference to how many people are like that out there, and yet there's never someone in the discussion saying "hey I'm like that?" Somehow, everyone thinks the world is full of these idiots yet these idiots seem to only exist in the video and some random anecdote about a store clerk.

I couldn't name my House representative in Jersey, then in Morningside, Queens, UWS, or now back in Jersey.

Referring to the post about O'Reilly's segment, not the 1/3 < 1/4 post.
there are three type of people in the world....  
Kevin999 : 7/28/2014 10:25 am : link
Those that can count, and those who cannot.
O'Reilly asked him that  
Bill L : 7/28/2014 10:27 am : link
and I believe that the answer was that the interviews were fairly representative, although for the beach sequences there was an obvious selection for hot coeds in bikinis. I also think that, over the entire respondent pool, the not know/did know was skewed in favor of not knowing by at least 10%.
Surely this would've worked?  
TheBigBlueOne : 7/28/2014 10:27 am : link

Put me in the  
Blue Baller : 7/28/2014 10:28 am : link
"I have no idea who congressmen or reps are" camp

I was going to say Frank Lautenburg but apparently he is dead

Kyle,  
Bill L : 7/28/2014 10:30 am : link
Can you name your US senators or your governor? I went to visit my son at Geneseo last year and we took 5 students out to dinner. None of the 5 could name both of their Senators and 2 out of the 5 could not name the gov. I was actually embarrassed for my own kid. All 5 had made the Dean's List that semester. Maybe Geneseo is a suckass school?
When my kids were in HS  
Bill L : 7/28/2014 10:35 am : link
I was amazed at how little the knew about US history, while taking US history. They was short-shrift given to things that I thought were important, especially significant events in the Revolutionary era or Civil War (excluding social and economic aspects of slavery). I swear they learned more about the genesis of the Revolution by taking a walking walking with some guy in Costume at the Boston Commons than they did in the history class of one of the highest ranked high schools in the NY Capital Region.
You don't walk into college and take Who Are My Senators 101  
Kyle : 7/28/2014 10:40 am : link
I can name the Senators and Governor, but I was a Political Science & History major and then went to law school, so that realm interests me more than most. But I don't have the damnedest clue who my representative has been for the past years, and that's not something to be proud of, but I will admit it.

I have smart friends who wouldn't have the slightest clue beyond the governor and if the state politicians are in the news very frequently, let alone much of anything about history. It's not appealing to them and they didn't study it or care to read about it. Just like I don't know shit about how to run their lab or conduct their financial transactions or model weather or what have you.
I know who my Congressional rep is  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 7/28/2014 10:50 am : link
Partly because I hate him so so very much.

Governor and both US Senators, sure that's easy.

Couldn't tell you my State Senator or State Assemblyman is though.
37th in Math and Science  
bt : 7/28/2014 10:51 am : link
So that is why we are 37th in the world in Math and Science??
I guess I would consider Senators being something that  
Bill L : 7/28/2014 10:55 am : link
you wouldn't need to be a Poly Sci major to know. Not the Vice-President, another person less than half of that group knew.

The current civics stuff is a concern, IMO, because it reflects a general lack of awareness of what's going on around you. Remember, these people have to go out and vote at some point (although I get the feeling none of them do).

It's not kids either, actually. I was talking with a friend of mine last week. She's 40 or so. I mentioned something about the VA scandal and she asked me what that was.
People view Politics/Civics/Gov't as just another area of interest  
Kyle : 7/28/2014 11:00 am : link
like economics or the NFL.

Ideally it wouldn't be seen that way, but it is.
RE: You don't walk into college and take Who Are My Senators 101  
Moondwg : 7/28/2014 11:03 am : link
In comment 11783748 Kyle said:
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I can name the Senators and Governor, but I was a Political Science & History major and then went to law school, so that realm interests me more than most. But I don't have the damnedest clue who my representative has been for the past years, and that's not something to be proud of, but I will admit it.

I have smart friends who wouldn't have the slightest clue beyond the governor and if the state politicians are in the news very frequently, let alone much of anything about history. It's not appealing to them and they didn't study it or care to read about it. Just like I don't know shit about how to run their lab or conduct their financial transactions or model weather or what have you.


It would be great to have a practical-civics required class for underclasspersons though. That would be something that actually helps them.
Some of these people interviewed don't know who  
buford : 7/28/2014 11:05 am : link
the VP is.

When I was that age, I at least knew that.
I gave up all hope on us when Leno asked what State is  
gtt350 : 7/28/2014 11:11 am : link
west of California and the respondent said Catalina Island
Maybe if we didn't spend a year teaching kids cursive  
mac attack : 7/28/2014 11:15 am : link

the math and science stats would see a spike.
RE: Maybe if we didn't spend a year teaching kids cursive  
section125 : 7/28/2014 11:24 am : link
In comment 11783835 mac attack said:
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the math and science stats would see a spike.


Probably sarcasm, and some places no longer teach hand writing, but what to do if the computer breaks?
Printing?
I agree with Kyle  
Maximus, Esq. : 7/28/2014 11:24 am : link
Math is definitely more of an objective field necessary for everyday function - and simple arithmetic like 1/3>1/4 is something everyone really should know just to get by in the world. When it comes to politics, other areas - those can be seen more "subjective" areas of interest (obviously everyone should know the President/VP) - but it's probably not strange, or horrible, that many on this board would likely know the Giants depth chart back and forth, but may not know their US Representative, because that is what interests you more.
I'm not that bright...  
Bill L : 7/28/2014 11:31 am : link
so maybe I shouldn't talk

But off the top of my head...Chuck Schumer (Sen), Kirsten Gillibrand (Sen), Paul Tonko (Rep), Andrew Cuomo (Gov). I honestly couldn't tell you who the Lt. Gov is or who my state legislators are. The last are familiar names during election season but then I forget. I've never not known who my current Pres and VP and Secretary of State, at a minimum are. COuld probably get most but not all SCOTUS justices but could always knew the Chief Justice. That's all television and radio and newspaper stuff, so it's not like it's inaccessible or something more than osmosis for people.
That is why I am not as concerned with kids not knowing  
Some Fan : 7/28/2014 12:05 pm : link
people in politics. You will do better in life knowing math as opposed to the names of the liars and cretins in politics.
I had 2 guys in 10th grade woodshop (1980)  
if_i_knew : 7/28/2014 12:28 pm : link
that could not read a ruler. One at least must have figured out something about fractions (or at least decimals) as he was arrested a few years later for selling crank

I also once had a girlfriend (for about a week when I was 22) that that could not figure out how to use a measuring cup
I think it is a big problem  
Mr. Nickels : 7/28/2014 12:40 pm : link
many do not know who their representatives are (let alone what they are really up to) and a reason why things are so rotten in this country.
What is bigger?  
Big Al : 7/28/2014 1:22 pm : link
The Moon or an elephant? A lot of people get that wrong.
Bill O'Reilly shouldn't talk;  
oke49 : 7/28/2014 2:01 pm : link
He twice famously blamed the US Army for the Malmedy massacre, asserting that they killed Nazi prisoners, exactly the opposite of what happened. On the air , on 2 separate occasions. You'd think he'd learn. So, I take his attempts to make people look stupid w/ a BIG grain of salt. I think the clips are still on Youtube.
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