NFT: Mets trade rumors

In comment 11784174 81_Great_Dane said:

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They should be making contenders overpay for their guys, not overpaying for somebody else's guys.

Mets can be buyers as long as its not a piece for just this year

In comment 11784225 CGiants07 said:

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Thor Plawecki Montero/Niese or Gee Flores Rosario or Herrera for tulo especially if Colorado would pick up some of the contract

different strokes for different folks. Lets put it that way. Remember those players you named so we can look back and see how they are all doing in a couple years compared to Tulowitzki

In comment 11784185 Ira said:

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In comment 11784097 DanMetroMan said: Quote: unless I'm reading it wrong, Tulo doesn't have a "first' no trade, he can be traded once without his consent. 0 years/$157.75M (2011-20), plus 2021 club option signed extension with Colorado 11/30/10, replacing final 3 years and option in previous contract 11:$5.5M, 12:$8.25M, 13:$10M, 14:$16M, 15-19:$20M annually, 20:$14M, 21:$15M club option ($4M buyout) salaries for 2020 and 2021 may increase by $6M annually based on MVP votes, Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers or All-Star selections award bonuses, including $25,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star selection $2M assignment bonus if traded may be traded only once during contract So, if we traded for him, we wouldn't be able to trade him again.

Can you put that type of clause in a contract?

the Mets go after OF Rusney Castillo? Considering that we badly need OF help, and that we have a payroll in the bottom 10 amongst MLB teams, why not add an OF with major upside without costing ourselves any prospects?

In comment 11784225 CGiants07 said:

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Thor Plawecki Montero/Niese or Gee Flores Rosario or Herrera for tulo especially if Colorado would pick up some of the contract

See, if that's the price I don't think I'm ok with it. That's a LOT.

In comment 11784225 CGiants07 said:

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Thor Plawecki Montero/Niese or Gee Flores Rosario or Herrera for tulo especially if Colorado would pick up some of the contract

Good lord, you've gone insane.

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Flores has little value,montero's value is down off this year.Niese and Gee are injury risks. so Thor,plawecki,Herrera or Rosario and a sp of choice is not a ton its a good amount but I don't consider that a lot. They could ask for Wheeler,Degrom,Plawecki and Herrera and I wouldn't do that

In comment 11784269 Metnut said:

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the Mets go after OF Rusney Castillo? Considering that we badly need OF help, and that we have a payroll in the bottom 10 amongst MLB teams, why not add an OF with major upside without costing ourselves any prospects?

Mets along with pretty much every other team were at his workout last week. Philly and Yankees have private workouts setup

As a fan, why do you care about the Rockies picking up part of that contract? There is really no reason we should just accept that fact that this is a low payroll team. Its certainly not a long-term low revenue team. #3 in TV audience. A winning Mets team (or even a decent one) will easily support $130-160 million in payroll, adjusting up in the future for inflation.

In comment 11784329 CGiants07 said:

Mets along with pretty much every other team were at his workout last week. Philly and Yankees have private workouts setup [/quote]

If our scouts think he's the real deal, then we should be able to outbid the other teams since we have such a low payroll and have all the financial advantages of playing in NY with a new stadium and owning most of our own network that is in top 3 in MLB TV ratings.

CarGo on the other hand

I'd rather up the ante and push hard for Stanton. He's the perfect fit, but not on the trading block. Exact same situation as Tulo. But if you are packaging four top prospects, I'd up the anti And throw in a 5th prospect for Stanton.

Marlins balk, fine. Trim back the trade and work on acquiring one of their other three young OF. I'd love to see Yelich a Met. Wouldn't mind Ozuna. And Marisneck (sp?) is an interesting prospect.

Do the same with the Rockies, but reverse. Push hard for Dickerson. If they refuse to move him then you know they want to dump CarGos $$.

Call each SS stacked team and create a reverse bidding war. Rockies for Tulo, Rangers, DBacks, Mariners etc. We want a SS, in this priority of names. Here's our offers. First one to accept, deal.

In comment 11784336 Deej said:

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As a fan, why do you care about the Rockies picking up part of that contract? There is really no reason we should just accept that fact that this is a low payroll team. Its certainly not a long-term low revenue team. #3 in TV audience. A winning Mets team (or even a decent one) will easily support $130-160 million in payroll, adjusting up in the future for inflation.

sandy will never move payroll north of 130mil. I'm not convinced this a low payroll team . I think wilpons knew this year with no Harvey was going to be a challenge so they didn't go crazy in free agency

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that I give up stupid amounts for. That fits the bill to me.

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Andy Martino þ@MartinoNYDN · 28s
#Mets #Yankees #Cardinals amd #RedSox seen as teams to watch for Tulowitzki this winter, though Mets still see it as unlikely

and Red Sox have scheduled private workouts for the Cuban OF

why wouldn't a player be allowed to have such a clause? His contract was ratified when he signed it.

for the year. Less than 2 million? What was it last year?

Wow, that is amazing. Good for him.

it's a worthless exercise unless you have the Mets private numbers as the attendance numbers listed publicly include free tickets given away, tickets part of "half price" deals etc. Not just the Mets, in general. For what it's worth ESPN has the Mets "drawing" 27,206 per home game vs. 26,695 last year. As we get into August/Sept, it basically means the Mets are going to end up drawing the same/a little less (based on the public numbers). They obviously aren't selling 27,000+ per night.

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In comment 11784393 DanMetroMan said:

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it's a worthless exercise unless you have the Mets private numbers as the attendance numbers listed publicly include free tickets given away, tickets part of "half price" deals etc. Not just the Mets, in general. For what it's worth ESPN has the Mets "drawing" 27,206 per home game vs. 26,695 last year. As we get into August/Sept, it basically means the Mets are going to end up drawing the same/a little less (based on the public numbers). They obviously aren't selling 27,000+ per night.

Yeah, I've noticed the really thin crowds. Just wondering if ownership is really reaping what they've sown with this product and all the black clouds surrounding it.

and Yankees also having private workouts. Sorry, no excuse not to have one. None.

In comment 11784398 DanMetroMan said:

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and Yankees also having private workouts. Sorry, no excuse not to have one. None.

hypothetically is an excuse not to sign him but to not work him out is crazy. Even if he's a turd, why wouldn't you want to find that out? Even as a way to scout a future MLBer, possible trade target?

In comment 11784404 DanMetroMan said:

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hypothetically is an excuse not to sign him but to not work him out is crazy. Even if he's a turd, why wouldn't you want to find that out? Even as a way to scout a future MLBer, possible trade target?

What you're saying makes sense, but this is a team that's trying to guilt fans into paying money to come to the stadium.

who you can't see contributing at the major league level there is ten F-Mart's, Lastings Milledges, Phil Humber (who wasn't awful, just not a top prospect), etc who don't make it.

I'd trade prospects, none of them are can't miss, most won't reach their "potential" and many won't even make it to the majors.

but their value is in their perceived value if you get what I mean, so it still needs to be a fair deal.

The Mets robbed the twins, even though later on Carlos Gomez turned into a all-star and Humber thew a perfect game? but the trade wasn't viewed as lopsided at the time and the Mets even included Javy Guera and Kevin Mulvey who were top prospects who did nothing

In comment 11784383 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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for the year. Less than 2 million? What was it last year?

"Revenue" is up a decent amount, considering the team success is the same as it's been the past few years.

I wonder what the actual cost of a workout is. Does a team drop $25k flying in scouts, staffing the stadium earlier in the day etc? And what is the marginal benefit of it?

And maybe the Mets offered to do a workout, but were negged by his management who viewed them as unlikely to bid for real (maybe they already indicated as much). If he had a really good workout in front of everyone, more workouts will mostly hurt his value. There is always a grapevine.

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him unless they receive "offer of the century"


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Joel Sherman þ@Joelsherman1 · 49s
Make of this what you will: #Mets say have little going on, #Rays special assignment scout Bobby Heck was at AA #Mets #Yankees (cont)

Joel Sherman þ@Joelsherman1 · 58s
Special assignment scouts go to specifically see players for trades this time of yr, so I assumed he was there for #Mets not #Yankees (cont)

fit IMO.

Move Xander off SS where he doesn't belong, trade guys that are overrated and overhyped - (some combo of) Jackie Bradley Jr, Mookie Betts, Cecchini, Rubby De La Rosa, Alan Webster, Anthony Renaudo, Matt Barnes, Will Middlebrooks, etc and maybe that's more of an "offer of the century" and throw in Jon Lester with the stipulation the Rockies extend Lester.

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I am guessing there would be posts complaining that it was just for show.

trade any prospect we have outside of Thor for Betts.

no offense, you think that's a good excuse? lol

Lennon says the Mets have put Harvey's cap roughly at 150-160 for next season.

seems like a sound idea if your planning on contending

LOL, no and I agree it would be nice if they brought him in if nothing more just to see what happens. It wasn't meant as an excuse just an observation of some fans on my part.

Betts has a lot of potential, just including their main prospects...

In comment 11784468 DanMetroMan said:

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Lennon says the Mets have put Harvey's cap roughly at 150-160 for next season.

If we expect the team to contend next year, would it make sense to keep him in extended spring training for a few weeks at the beginning of the year? Our other options are shutting him down Strasburg/WSH style or taking him out in the 5th-6th inning each game and killing our bullpen.

ok lol. I thought you really meant that was a good reason not to work him out.

in general I agree. Sox prospects tend to be hugely overrated. The Yankees used to have this as well, not so much anymore. If anything I think some of the Yankees guys get underrated a bit (maybe blowback from the past). I'm big on Bogaerts and Betts, I think Owens is pretty legit, Swihart too. Supposedly this Devers kid is legit but he's so far away.

In comment 11784463 DanMetroMan said:

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trade any prospect we have outside of Thor for Betts.

I would deal Thor for him, too. Betts is amazing. And he's blocked in Boston for the most part.

Harvey is not going to be a happy camper about that. Though this is one of the rare times that it is helpful to have a Boras client. Boras pushes his pitching clients to be conservative with their arms. So Mets and Boras could double team Harvey and tell him that they need to make the right call for a 15 year career, not prioritizing 1 month of baseball.

In comment 11784415 pjcas18 said:

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who you can't see contributing at the major league level there is ten F-Mart's, Lastings Milledges, Phil Humber (who wasn't awful, just not a top prospect), etc who don't make it. I'd trade prospects, none of them are can't miss, most won't reach their "potential" and many won't even make it to the majors. but their value is in their perceived value if you get what I mean, so it still needs to be a fair deal. The Mets robbed the twins, even though later on Carlos Gomez turned into a all-star and Humber thew a perfect game? but the trade wasn't viewed as lopsided at the time and the Mets even included Javy Guera and Kevin Mulvey who were top prospects who did nothing

I hate to speak for anyone else but I am guessing his post was a little humor that was more thinking about the possibility of maybe Tulowitzki being another Mike Bordick trade than is was about Mora itself. At least that is how I took it to mean.

put me down for the opposite