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NFT: Phils vs Mets Game 1

sshin05 : 7/28/2014 3:17 pm
Mets lineup:

Granderson RF
Murphy 2B
Wright 3B
Duda 1B
C Young LF
D'Arnaud C
Lagares CF
Tejada SS
Colon P

Will the mets score more than 3 tonight?  
spike : 7/28/2014 3:21 pm : link
The lineup doesn't look too promising. At least Young is "heating" up.
Lineup doesnt look too bad...  
Italianju : 7/28/2014 3:23 pm : link
since whoever they put in LF im not going to like and of course we just gotta keep tejada in.
If would be nice if Flores  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 3:27 pm : link
had the ability to play some in the OF
RE: If would be nice if Flores  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2014 3:29 pm : link
In comment 11784303 steve in ky said:
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had the ability to play some in the OF


He would be an improvement in LF over Chris Young IF he could play there. I do not know what Chris Young that could not be provided by Eric Campbell. Start Campbell in LF!
Tejada  
sshin05 : 7/28/2014 3:32 pm : link
again?! Tejada must have some incriminating photos of Collins.
7 big games coming up  
spike : 7/28/2014 3:33 pm : link
4 against the wild card leader SF Giants.

Time to step up at home and get back to 500!
Tejada  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 3:37 pm : link
He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.
RE: 7 big games coming up  
CGiants07 : 7/28/2014 3:45 pm : link
In comment 11784311 spike said:
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4 against the wild card leader SF Giants.

Time to step up at home and get back to 500!


need a 5-2 homestand to keep mo on our side
deGrom  
sshin05 : 7/28/2014 3:58 pm : link
Co NL player of the week with cishek
Co playah~! - ( New Window )
it's a shame that when struggling to get back into contention  
oipolloi : 7/28/2014 3:59 pm : link
that you have a manger who is concerned with assuaging veteran egos

that's why he is a "players' manager": young guys are less likely to complain when they ride the pine. So, you play the vets to keep them happy

I wouldn't even call Tejada a 'veteran'. What has he ever done?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/28/2014 4:01 pm : link
His most noteworthy achievement is hitting 270-ish and coming to camp fat the next year.
As soon as Tejada hit into the bases loaded DP  
Headhunter : 7/28/2014 5:15 pm : link
yesterday, my 2nd thought was that bought him 4 straight starts to work through it
Flores hasn't made a single  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 5:55 pm : link
error all year at the ML level unless Im mistaken. He's got a stronger arm then Tejada and just as much range. Enough with the nonsense. Play Flores!
RE: Tejada  
Shecky : 7/28/2014 6:05 pm : link
In comment 11784319 steve in ky said:
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He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.


Tejada is 4 defensive runs saved above average, Flores is 0(average). Do you not think that Flores can create four more runs than Tejada?
RE: Flores hasn't made a single  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 6:07 pm : link
In comment 11784522 ZGiants98 said:
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error all year at the ML level unless Im mistaken. He's got a stronger arm then Tejada and just as much range. Enough with the nonsense. Play Flores!


I think he has one at short this season. It would be interesting to know who the pitching staff would prefer play? I know Keith Hernandez said the other night that his opinion was that Tejada needs to get most of the time at short.
RE: RE: Tejada  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 6:10 pm : link
In comment 11784535 Shecky said:
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In comment 11784319 steve in ky said:


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He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.



Tejada is 4 defensive runs saved above average, Flores is 0(average). Do you not think that Flores can create four more runs than Tejada?


I think that with pitching being such an important part of the Mets chance at success and then factoring in that to some extent they are already leaning towards bats over gloves at second and first they view it as a strength to have the best available defense up the middle in SS and CF.
While I'd agree with your point overall  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 6:17 pm : link
I really don't think Tejada is that much better defensively then Flores anyway.

And yes Flores does have one error this year.

Personally he could have an error every week for the rest of the year, it is highly unlikely to cost us at all.
The Phillies are worth watching for 3 reasons  
dep026 : 7/28/2014 6:19 pm : link
theses days.

1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.

The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
sorry  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 6:23 pm : link
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RE: While I'd agree with your point overall  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 6:24 pm : link
In comment 11784546 ZGiants98 said:
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I really don't think Tejada is that much better defensively then Flores anyway.

And yes Flores does have one error this year.

Personally he could have an error every week for the rest of the year, it is highly unlikely to cost us at all.


Well there's the rub, he may very well end up being just as good defensively as Tejada but as long as the Mets are in it and have a shot at the playoffs most managers won't experiment at the ML level just in order to find out. I just looked and he has 12 errors in the minors this season, eight when playing ss so it is understandable why Collins goes with Tejada at this time. Now once they are completely out of the playoff hunt then I would agree put him there everyday so they have a better idea of what they have in Flores going forward for next season.
RE: The Phillies are worth watching for 3 reasons  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/28/2014 6:28 pm : link
In comment 11784547 dep026 said:
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theses days.

1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.

The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.


It's not a bigger show than any time Ruben decides to pretend to be a GM. I really thought Pat Gillick was the worst until Ruben stepped up.
Steve...  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 6:32 pm : link
almost all of those errors were at the beginning of the year at AAA when he was asked to play SS after NO playing time in spring training or the offseason. He settled down quite a bit after a few weeks and has made exactly one whole error after three stints with the big club now.
And I'd hardly call it experimenting  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 6:38 pm : link
when Flores is and has been a SS his entire career. He only got moved off the position recently. He's spent the majority of his time in the Mets organization at short.

Tejada sucks and Im so sick of looking at him. He's not some defensive wiz, he's barely average at SS. We need offense in the worst way, and Flores offers a clear upgrade.
RE: RE: The Phillies are worth watching for 3 reasons  
dep026 : 7/28/2014 6:40 pm : link
In comment 11784554 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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theses days.

1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.

The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.



It's not a bigger show than any time Ruben decides to pretend to be a GM. I really thought Pat Gillick was the worst until Ruben stepped up.


Pat Gillick is a 3x world series GM, and was at the helm for Seattle's prime years of 2000-2003. Gillick's GM resume is not matched by many.
When I say  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 6:44 pm : link
experiment I mean that in how a manager views playing a rookie at the major league level in order to see whether he will make it there or not. The rule of thumb has long been to do that once out of the playoff hunt and not to "experiment" with it until then. Playing what you know you have in the proven veteran while in the race is hardly unusual.
Need another big game from Colon  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 6:49 pm : link
tonight for obvious reasons. I think he'll turn in a solid showing.
maybe if they played flores more consistently  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 6:56 pm : link
they would score more than 2 or 3 runs per game. I dont know many managers that would play Tejada as much as Collins does, especially for a player labeled as lazy.

The whole Collins/Tejada love affair is weird. Its like the love affair between Mike Woodson and JR Smith...except, at least JR Smith has talent
steve I get what your saying 100%  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 6:58 pm : link
and not trying to be a smart ass but I don't think we are in any sort of playoff race right now, I don't consider Tejada a veteran, I don't consider Tejada to be great defensively, and I do consider him a horrible hitter. He offers zero advantage in my mind.
RE: When I say  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 6:58 pm : link
In comment 11784566 steve in ky said:
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experiment I mean that in how a manager views playing a rookie at the major league level in order to see whether he will make it there or not. The rule of thumb has long been to do that once out of the playoff hunt and not to "experiment" with it until then. Playing what you know you have in the proven veteran while in the race is hardly unusual.


If Collins thought that the Mets were going to be on the playoff hunt then he's even more delluded than I originally thought. This was the PERFECT year to "experiment" on Flores. If not now, then when? All at the expense of fucking Tejada? Come on.
You could always bring Tejada in in the 8th/9th innings  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:00 pm : link
if you were that concerned of him costing a game late with the lead but I highly doubt even that would be necessary.
This herky jerky  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:05 pm : link
play Flores one day, give him 3 days off, play him one day is maddening. He will never get in a rhythm playing like this. He's the best hitting prospect in our entire system! FUCK ME!
I think most managers/coaches  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 7:06 pm : link
think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.

Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
97% chance the mets miss the post season  
Shecky : 7/28/2014 7:08 pm : link
I don't consider playing a player two years younger who put up insane numbers in AAA experimenting or throwing away a season. I consider it finding out what you have so that the year you expect to compete, 2015, you don't need to experiment.

As much as I have probably been the biggest supporter of Flores here, I don't view him as a long term SS. Play him there for the season though. See what you have. If he isn't beyond embarrassing, you now know you have a Murphy replacement at 2b. If he is embarrassing, you resign Murphy.
I just don't see how you're  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:08 pm : link
calling Tejada some proven veteran. He's what 24? If anything, all he's proven is that he sucks.
RE: 97% chance the mets miss the post season  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:11 pm : link
In comment 11784591 Shecky said:
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I don't consider playing a player two years younger who put up insane numbers in AAA experimenting or throwing away a season. I consider it finding out what you have so that the year you expect to compete, 2015, you don't need to experiment.

As much as I have probably been the biggest supporter of Flores here, I don't view him as a long term SS. Play him there for the season though. See what you have. If he isn't beyond embarrassing, you now know you have a Murphy replacement at 2b. If he is embarrassing, you resign Murphy.


Agree with this 100% and who knows he might even be able to hold the position for a year or two until the SS brigade makes it here assuming he stays thin and in shape. Flores former scouting reports are bullshit. Wally flat out timed him running down the first baseline a few weeks ago and he posted his fastest time ever. He actually did improve his speed this year and that a fact. He's not the same player.
RE: I think most managers/coaches  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 7:14 pm : link
In comment 11784589 steve in ky said:
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think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.

Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.


Steve, you see, this is where you lose me. How do you think that Tejada gives the Mets a better chance to win? He's awful.

You have one of the best offense prospects that the franchise has ever had and he's treated like Captain Kirk. I'm sorry, but there is not a single logical reason for sticking with Tejada as long as he has. Nada. Tejada hasn't earned anything. And this was the perfect year to play Flores consistently and see if you have something special. I just don't see how a manager can look at a prospect that tears up the minors for years and think that he can't give him a better option than one of the worst shortstops in baseball.
Yeah and I would totally get it  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:17 pm : link
if Flores embarrassed himself out there, but he's been fine defensively. That's what really pisses me off to no end.
He is proven  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 7:19 pm : link
in that he is a proven commodity. Collins knows what he has in Tejada there is not a lot of unknown. Proven has nothing to do with whether you like his game or not. Many managers don't like to experiment with players that they don't really know as well. Obviously with the team winning mostly because of their pitching Collins feels most comfortable keeping Tejada in there. Agree or disagree I don't see why that is such a hard concept for people understand. It isn't like Collins is doing something unorthodox in playing the guy he obviously has the most confidence in.

I understand a fan wanting to see Flores, but my point is that Collins is simply doing what many managers have done for years in sticking with the guy they know. There is no big head scratcher here. While he is making the decisions he wants to win as many games as he can as the manager. If he gets a call from the front office telling him that they want to see the kid play ss everyday he then is off the hook if it goes badly.
Why is there no commentary?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:22 pm : link
lol
Anybody else getting  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:24 pm : link
no commentary on SNY or is just mine?
Really nice way to start the game  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:26 pm : link
Way to go Grandy and Murph.
No offense Steve, but I disagree with your entire post  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 7:27 pm : link
You are right, Tejada is a proven commodity...proven to be pretty bad.

If you are arguing that Collins feels more comfortable with Tejada, then that's fine. But that's just another indictment of how bad a manager Collins is.

I think you are wrong when you say that most managers would do the same. I tend to believe that if there is a possible better option to a bad situation, that most managers are going to give their team the best chance to win. Hence, give that possible better option a chance. There's little upside to sticking with Tejada. Like you said...you know what you are getting with Tejada, and it's not good.
Ben Revere  
dep026 : 7/28/2014 7:28 pm : link
the worst starting everyday player in the major leagues.

If you saw that route he took on Murphy's ball would make you ponder if he is a little league player. Just god awful in every sense of the word.
So weird.  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:29 pm : link
Restarted my MLB and now its fine. I heard all the sounds of the glove, stadium, ect with no commentary. Oh well. Moving on.
DUDA =  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:30 pm : link
STUD.
young pitcher's mistake?  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2014 7:30 pm : link
Maybe, but A.J. Burnett is old
RE: RE: I think most managers/coaches  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 11784597 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 11784589 steve in ky said:


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think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.

Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.



Steve, you see, this is where you lose me. How do you think that Tejada gives the Mets a better chance to win? He's awful.

You have one of the best offense prospects that the franchise has ever had and he's treated like Captain Kirk. I'm sorry, but there is not a single logical reason for sticking with Tejada as long as he has. Nada. Tejada hasn't earned anything. And this was the perfect year to play Flores consistently and see if you have something special. I just don't see how a manager can look at a prospect that tears up the minors for years and think that he can't give him a better option than one of the worst shortstops in baseball.


First of all I have not been explaining what I hope they do or would like to see. Sure it would be fun watching a rookie get time and I would be curious to see what Flores might do. What I have been saying is that I understand why Collins is playing Tejada, it really is not mystery to me like it seems to be to so many others.
RE: No offense Steve, but I disagree with your entire post  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 7:33 pm : link
In comment 11784616 PhiPsi125 said:
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You are right, Tejada is a proven commodity...proven to be pretty bad.

If you are arguing that Collins feels more comfortable with Tejada, then that's fine. But that's just another indictment of how bad a manager Collins is.

I think you are wrong when you say that most managers would do the same. I tend to believe that if there is a possible better option to a bad situation, that most managers are going to give their team the best chance to win. Hence, give that possible better option a chance. There's little upside to sticking with Tejada. Like you said...you know what you are getting with Tejada, and it's not good.


Again as I said before. I think that with pitching being such an important part of the Mets chance at success and then factoring in that to some extent they are already leaning towards bats over gloves at second and first they view it as a strength to have the best available defense up the middle in SS and CF.
We have hit a million  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:34 pm : link
balls off the top of the wall the last few days.
Lagares  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2014 7:34 pm : link
can really break it open here
WHOOO!!  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:37 pm : link
Theres your more than 3 runs!
Lagares has come up with some nice clutch hits all season  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 7:37 pm : link
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Nice  
Headhunter : 7/28/2014 7:37 pm : link
Welcome home fellas
Like I said  
dep026 : 7/28/2014 7:44 pm : link
its better than watching the Barnum and Bailey show.
Gooden with a nice Mike Torrez story  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 7:48 pm : link
Hard to believe it's been thirty years since Gooden debuted. Seems like just yesterday, makes me feel old.
lol.  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:54 pm : link
ANOTHER by Murph off the top of the wall. MAN!
Come on Wright!  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 7:55 pm : link
Join the party!
there's that awesome Tejada range!  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:05 pm : link
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Looks like Dice K will be back soon.  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:07 pm : link
That's good news for Torres.
I wouldn't want his autograph but I would  
Headhunter : 7/28/2014 8:32 pm : link
like to pinch Bartolo's face cheeks. They looking so pinch able
Haha..  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:34 pm : link
I actually have his autograph. Won it in a raffle years ago. Pretty nice baseball in a case. lol
Young is hot baby!  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:41 pm : link
His last out was a scorcher too. lol
Keith: What do you call that color on the Phillies uniform  
Mike in NY : 7/28/2014 8:42 pm : link
Gary: Red
lol. Yes.  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:42 pm : link
DARNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Citit field doesn't look as big anymore  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 8:42 pm : link
does it?
d"Arnaud likes it at home  
Ira : 7/28/2014 8:43 pm : link
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TDA crushed that one  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2014 8:43 pm : link
Man this team would be fun to watch with a good SS. Even a Young/Young platoon in LF would be tolerable.
Do we really want to trade Colon?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:49 pm : link
Of course if somebody offers something good you have to but right now the team is finally coming together and pretty healthy. The bullpen is rock solid. The rotation 1-5 is very solid with Wheeler/deGrom emerging as ACE 1 and 2. Play the missing link Flores and I think we'll get over .500.
Tejada looking great  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 8:52 pm : link
with the glove tonight. lol.
Way to bear down Bartolo  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:02 pm : link
Keep that ERA going DOWN! Should have been out of the inning anyway. Murph was on the bag.
Colon is a likable guy  
steve in ky : 7/28/2014 9:06 pm : link
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so im starting to  
Rory : 7/28/2014 9:07 pm : link
get that tingling feeling again.

Fuck Tulo, lets get Flores in the lineup and lets go to war.
Rather have a .280  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:13 pm : link
hitter that hits 20 home runs out(totally guessing), that is 22 years old, makes nothing and won't for many years, and a stocked farm OR a 30 year old oft injured player who can hit .300, 30 home runs, pay 20 million a year for 7 years, AND give up the entire system?

Just being hypothetical  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:15 pm : link
Its not like I wouldn't like Tulo but the amount they seem to be asking for seems absurd.
Trade for Cargo  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:17 pm : link
probably cost a ton less and is available right now(not face of the franchise) and he's also 2 years younger.
Z  
Rory : 7/28/2014 9:19 pm : link
I dont want to trade any prospects until Harvey is back next year.

I want the Mets to sign the Cuban OF Rusney Castillo.
Castillo doesn't seem realistic  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:22 pm : link
28 teams(including the Mets) went to his workout and were "wowed". I don't think Sandy is getting in a bidding war for him. I just don't. Possibly Tomas in the offseason? IDK. I really don't think Cargo will cost an arm and a leg. Def not Syndergaard. Could probably get him for a package centered around Nimmo.
why not  
Rory : 7/28/2014 9:28 pm : link
are we or are we not a big market team???

Rather go heavy for him then over pay for anything that's available in FA next year while also forfeiting 1st rd pick .
with redsox and yankees involved  
CGiants07 : 7/28/2014 9:30 pm : link
bidding will be too rich for sandy's blood
Have not watched the game just scanned the play by play online...  
Kevin999 : 7/28/2014 9:31 pm : link
but how many "infield single to short" have there been??? Are they legit hits or would someone else have made the out?
I swear Collins is so annoying  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:31 pm : link
He's at 120 pitches and you have a 7 run lead you jackass.
with 2 outs , Colon at 121 pitches gives up a run ..  
Rory : 7/28/2014 9:31 pm : link
time to go to big Edge
Rory it has more to do  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:33 pm : link
with the risk involved. He's no sure thing and is still going to cost a lot. If we had a 130 million dollar payroll it wouldn't be a big deal but you don't want to waste the last 20 million or so available on a complete unknown. If it were my money, Id sign him, but I do get the logic.
Kevin  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:36 pm : link
Tejada has had a pretty shitty game defensively. Nothing crazy but a lot of weak dives and balls that he probably should have gotten to. Half ass attempt at a ball over the 2nd base bag early. Belly flopped on a ball and threw it way wide of first. Looks pretty slow tonight.
Collins said last night after bringing deGrom ount for an extra inning  
Ira : 7/28/2014 9:41 pm : link
that he'd get an extra days rest before his next start. I think he's using the same logic tonight with Colon.
DARNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:41 pm : link
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TDA  
spike : 7/28/2014 9:43 pm : link
really enjoys Citifield
looks like  
spike : 7/28/2014 9:44 pm : link
TDA and Lagares are having a bit of resurgence again.
per Fox Sports : RotoWorld  
Rory : 7/28/2014 9:46 pm : link
FOX Sports' Jon Morosi reports that the Blue Jays, Cardinals, Pirates and Braves have scouts at Monday's Bartolo Colon versus A.J. Burnett matchup.

Id be interested in Josh Harrison from Pirates , wonder what it would take to get Oscar from St. Louis
Abreu looks spent  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 9:46 pm : link
maybe time to put him out to pasteur.
RE: per Fox Sports : RotoWorld  
CGiants07 : 7/28/2014 9:50 pm : link
In comment 11784786 Rory said:
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FOX Sports' Jon Morosi reports that the Blue Jays, Cardinals, Pirates and Braves have scouts at Monday's Bartolo Colon versus A.J. Burnett matchup.

Id be interested in Josh Harrison from Pirates , wonder what it would take to get Oscar from St. Louis

thor
thanks Z  
Kevin999 : 7/28/2014 9:54 pm : link
So great D and an awesome 0 for 3 is showing us why he should be playing!
Too bad  
spike : 7/28/2014 10:01 pm : link
we have to waste Vic Black on a night like this..
Why the once mighty have fallen  
spike : 7/28/2014 10:01 pm : link
ROllins is batting 239
Oh Terry  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:02 pm : link
7-1 lead and you go to Black on back to back days. My oh my Terry.
Why can't Carlyle pitch here?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:03 pm : link
geezus. Its really indefensible. Luckily Black isn't our only good arm.
RE: Why can't Carlyle pitch here?  
CGiants07 : 7/28/2014 10:04 pm : link
In comment 11784807 ZGiants98 said:
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geezus. Its really indefensible. Luckily Black isn't our only good arm.


he was warming in 8th maybe couldn't get loose?
good job by Black to close the gates and shut the lights  
spike : 7/28/2014 10:06 pm : link
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Cole Hamels vs Dillon Gee tomorrow  
spike : 7/28/2014 10:09 pm : link
lets hope Gee bounces back from his past two starts.
Lets hope Wright wakes the fuck up  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:11 pm : link
He normally owns Hammels but lately, I doubt it. Time for the big bat all star we are paying a ton of money to, to contribute.
Wright is playing through injuries and probably has most  
NyquistX3 : 7/28/2014 10:21 pm : link
He doesn't need to wake up. He needs to get his body healthy.
most of the year*  
NyquistX3 : 7/28/2014 10:21 pm : link
.
That might be the case...  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:27 pm : link
but he checked out fine. If he's really hurt DL him. He can't hit righties right now. The truth is I really don't know. Wright's been pretty bad all year... long before the shoulder issue. He's had a few spurts where it looked like he was going to come out of it but.... I really just don't know.
^^^ lol  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 10:28 pm : link
.
Yeah... laugh your ass  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:30 pm : link
off. By the far the worst year in Wright's career.
Im one of Wright's biggest fans  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:33 pm : link
and I keep thinking he's about to come out of it but this has not been 20 million a year production, sorry it hasn't. He's underperforming this year plain and simple.
well, I guess you closed the book on this season  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 10:34 pm : link
for wright already, huh?

There's a lot of bad players on this team. DW isnt one of them. He hasnt been great, but he's not bad. So sorry he's not up to your expectations. ..so far...this season.
No I fucking haven't closed the  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:35 pm : link
door. I want him to come out of it as much as anyone. Read the fucking thread. Im basically begging for him to get a hit. I don't know what his deal is this year. I really don't.
yes, he's underperforming...that we can agree on  
PhiPsi125 : 7/28/2014 10:38 pm : link
You are always so stuck on the $$$ part with Wright

If DW was making $10 million this year with the same stats...he'd be having a better year in your eyes?
Yeah it would be somewhat better?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:46 pm : link
What kind of question is that though? If Granderson was getting paid twice what he is making now I wouldn't be that happy with his production either. Honestly batting .270 with 8 home runs, barely OPSing .700 is bad for a 3rd baseman period. He's 8th out of 10 hitters in the NL at third and getting paid top dollar. Im not bashing the guy. I love him. I just want him to at least be 70% of the player he once was. Its frustrating.
And even more worrisome  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:47 pm : link
is this just an off year or the start of a decline?? His numbers seem to be regressing over the last couple seasons and the nagging shoulder injuries and back injuries might be taking a toll.

On the other hand he's always been real fucking streaky so hopefully its the latter and he's about to heat up.
Let me ask you this  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 10:49 pm : link
If we traded the whole farm for Tulo(who's almost the same age) and he came here and next year and hit .270 with 12 home runs AND we were paying him 20 million per would you not be pissed? Take the Wright blinders off for a minute. I love the guy too but he's not doing his part.
eh well  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 11:01 pm : link
Pretty happy with this team right now and don't want to ruin a good night picking on David. Hopefully he comes out of it against his boy Hamels tomorrow who he's historically owned.
RE: Yeah... laugh your ass  
NyquistX3 : 7/28/2014 11:30 pm : link
In comment 11784841 ZGiants98 said:
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off. By the far the worst year in Wright's career.


No, the broken back year was his worst. He's already been more productive through July this season than that year.
Sorry Nyquist but your wrong  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 11:35 pm : link
The year you are referring to was 2011. He still hit 14 home runs that year in only 389 at bats. While you are right that that year is by far the closest to being his worst year other than this year he still OPSed .770 that year with only a .250 batting average. He's OPSing 740 right now, the lowest of his career.
Unless you are going off WAR?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 11:37 pm : link
Im not really worrying about his defense, I think we are concerned about his bat.
Yeah, WAR. 1.8 already, 1.7 in 2011.  
NyquistX3 : 7/28/2014 11:44 pm : link
His back injury made his defense worse. Prevented runs are just as good as produced runs, we have to count defense in production, too.
Yeah that was the year  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2014 11:48 pm : link
he was godawful defensively and couldn't throw to first but he's already surpassed the at bats at this point in the season and their WARs aren't that far off. From a hitting standpoint he was better that year even with a broken back.

Listen, Im going to get of Wright now. He's had a very disappointing year. No other way around it.
At this point, it might make sense to bat d'Arnaud fifth  
Ira : 7/29/2014 6:43 am : link
on a permanent basis - giving us a strong 1-5 group to start our lineup.
Law-  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2014 7:54 am : link
• I headed down to Aberdeen on Wednesday to try to see the Brooklyn Cyclones and the New York Mets' first-round pick, Michael Conforto, but the game was interrupted after one inning by a two-hour rain delay and I saw just one at-bat of each hitter I was hoping to catch. Conforto was caught looking on a dubious strike call on a changeup away; in BP, he loaded his hands high and deep but got the bat head into the zone quickly, rotated his hips extremely well for pull power, and let the ball travel well. He's too old and experienced for the New York-Penn League and should be promoted out of there, ideally to high-A St. Lucie, within the next week or two. Meanwhile, Brooklyn starter Casey Meisner was awful, throwing 87-91 mph with an above-average curveball but no command or deception.
Where are the guys who said Conforto is another  
Headhunter : 7/29/2014 8:01 am : link
Lucas Duda/ Jeromy Burnitz?
HH  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2014 8:07 am : link
I'd sign for Duda with average LF defense to be honest with you! Another Duda in this lineup (who wasn't Duda bad in LF) would be a really nice addition.
"ConDuda"  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2014 8:10 am : link
would rank 3rd in baseball amongst LF in terms of wRC+ (143 behind Seth Smith and Michael Brantley) and 4th in wOBA behind Smith, Brantley and Melky (PS jeez LF is weak around the game right now).
Dan...  
Italianju : 7/29/2014 8:51 am : link
do you think the mets will be as aggressive with Conforto as Law is suggesting? It does seem like BRK is not enough of a challenge for him.
RE: Where are the guys who said Conforto is another  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2014 8:51 am : link
In comment 11784966 Headhunter said:
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Lucas Duda/ Jeromy Burnitz?


Why do people declare busts this early? lol
DePo  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2014 9:20 am : link
implied BK for the majority of the season is the plan. I guess that can change but the Mets don't seem to care about external critique (Law thought Cecchini going to BK last year was a strange call for example). I think the whole thing is overblown to be honest. Conforto will almost certainly begin next season in St. Lucie either way so if it's an extra 20-30 games because they weren't "aggressive" this year who really cares?
DeGrom the past month  
Shecky : 7/29/2014 9:29 am : link
# Name Team GS IP K% BB% GB% ERA- FIP- xFIP- â–¾
1 Tyson Ross Padres 5 35.0 30.8% 3.8% 51.2% 29 47 52
2 Stephen Strasburg Nationals 5 32.2 30.3% 5.3% 44.6% 98 79 57
3 Hyun-Jin Ryu Dodgers 5 28.1 26.9% 3.4% 49.4% 126 62 59
4 Josh Tomlin Indians 5 31.1 24.2% 0.8% 38.5% 121 101 60
5 Yu Darvish Rangers 5 30.0 33.1% 4.8% 36.8% 94 67 61
6 Felix Hernandez Mariners 5 38.0 32.6% 7.3% 61.4% 31 60 62
7 Jacob deGrom Mets 5 32.1 29.7% 5.5% 46.3% 40 40 65
8 Corey Kluber Indians 5 38.2 27.4% 3.4% 56.0% 49 59 65
9 Zack Greinke Dodgers 5 34.2 28.3% 5.8% 54.5% 66 65 65
10 Garrett Richards Angels 5 36.1 28.6% 5.7% 56.8% 60 60 66

Sorry if the formatting is off. But based on xFiP, DeGrom has been the 7th best pitcher in MLB the past month. See the fangraphs link for better formatting

DeGrom 7th the past month - ( New Window )
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