He would be an improvement in LF over Chris Young IF he could play there. I do not know what Chris Young that could not be provided by Eric Campbell. Start Campbell in LF!
He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.
He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.
Tejada is 4 defensive runs saved above average, Flores is 0(average). Do you not think that Flores can create four more runs than Tejada?
error all year at the ML level unless Im mistaken. He's got a stronger arm then Tejada and just as much range. Enough with the nonsense. Play Flores!
I think he has one at short this season. It would be interesting to know who the pitching staff would prefer play? I know Keith Hernandez said the other night that his opinion was that Tejada needs to get most of the time at short.
He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.
Tejada is 4 defensive runs saved above average, Flores is 0(average). Do you not think that Flores can create four more runs than Tejada?
I think that with pitching being such an important part of the Mets chance at success and then factoring in that to some extent they are already leaning towards bats over gloves at second and first they view it as a strength to have the best available defense up the middle in SS and CF.
1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.
The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
I really don't think Tejada is that much better defensively then Flores anyway.
And yes Flores does have one error this year.
Personally he could have an error every week for the rest of the year, it is highly unlikely to cost us at all.
Well there's the rub, he may very well end up being just as good defensively as Tejada but as long as the Mets are in it and have a shot at the playoffs most managers won't experiment at the ML level just in order to find out. I just looked and he has 12 errors in the minors this season, eight when playing ss so it is understandable why Collins goes with Tejada at this time. Now once they are completely out of the playoff hunt then I would agree put him there everyday so they have a better idea of what they have in Flores going forward for next season.
1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.
The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
It's not a bigger show than any time Ruben decides to pretend to be a GM. I really thought Pat Gillick was the worst until Ruben stepped up.
almost all of those errors were at the beginning of the year at AAA when he was asked to play SS after NO playing time in spring training or the offseason. He settled down quite a bit after a few weeks and has made exactly one whole error after three stints with the big club now.
when Flores is and has been a SS his entire career. He only got moved off the position recently. He's spent the majority of his time in the Mets organization at short.
Tejada sucks and Im so sick of looking at him. He's not some defensive wiz, he's barely average at SS. We need offense in the worst way, and Flores offers a clear upgrade.
RE: RE: The Phillies are worth watching for 3 reasons
1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.
The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
It's not a bigger show than any time Ruben decides to pretend to be a GM. I really thought Pat Gillick was the worst until Ruben stepped up.
Pat Gillick is a 3x world series GM, and was at the helm for Seattle's prime years of 2000-2003. Gillick's GM resume is not matched by many.
experiment I mean that in how a manager views playing a rookie at the major league level in order to see whether he will make it there or not. The rule of thumb has long been to do that once out of the playoff hunt and not to "experiment" with it until then. Playing what you know you have in the proven veteran while in the race is hardly unusual.
they would score more than 2 or 3 runs per game. I dont know many managers that would play Tejada as much as Collins does, especially for a player labeled as lazy.
The whole Collins/Tejada love affair is weird. Its like the love affair between Mike Woodson and JR Smith...except, at least JR Smith has talent
and not trying to be a smart ass but I don't think we are in any sort of playoff race right now, I don't consider Tejada a veteran, I don't consider Tejada to be great defensively, and I do consider him a horrible hitter. He offers zero advantage in my mind.
experiment I mean that in how a manager views playing a rookie at the major league level in order to see whether he will make it there or not. The rule of thumb has long been to do that once out of the playoff hunt and not to "experiment" with it until then. Playing what you know you have in the proven veteran while in the race is hardly unusual.
If Collins thought that the Mets were going to be on the playoff hunt then he's even more delluded than I originally thought. This was the PERFECT year to "experiment" on Flores. If not now, then when? All at the expense of fucking Tejada? Come on.
You could always bring Tejada in in the 8th/9th innings
play Flores one day, give him 3 days off, play him one day is maddening. He will never get in a rhythm playing like this. He's the best hitting prospect in our entire system! FUCK ME!
think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.
Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
I don't consider playing a player two years younger who put up insane numbers in AAA experimenting or throwing away a season. I consider it finding out what you have so that the year you expect to compete, 2015, you don't need to experiment.
As much as I have probably been the biggest supporter of Flores here, I don't view him as a long term SS. Play him there for the season though. See what you have. If he isn't beyond embarrassing, you now know you have a Murphy replacement at 2b. If he is embarrassing, you resign Murphy.
I don't consider playing a player two years younger who put up insane numbers in AAA experimenting or throwing away a season. I consider it finding out what you have so that the year you expect to compete, 2015, you don't need to experiment.
As much as I have probably been the biggest supporter of Flores here, I don't view him as a long term SS. Play him there for the season though. See what you have. If he isn't beyond embarrassing, you now know you have a Murphy replacement at 2b. If he is embarrassing, you resign Murphy.
Agree with this 100% and who knows he might even be able to hold the position for a year or two until the SS brigade makes it here assuming he stays thin and in shape. Flores former scouting reports are bullshit. Wally flat out timed him running down the first baseline a few weeks ago and he posted his fastest time ever. He actually did improve his speed this year and that a fact. He's not the same player.
think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.
Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
Steve, you see, this is where you lose me. How do you think that Tejada gives the Mets a better chance to win? He's awful.
You have one of the best offense prospects that the franchise has ever had and he's treated like Captain Kirk. I'm sorry, but there is not a single logical reason for sticking with Tejada as long as he has. Nada. Tejada hasn't earned anything. And this was the perfect year to play Flores consistently and see if you have something special. I just don't see how a manager can look at a prospect that tears up the minors for years and think that he can't give him a better option than one of the worst shortstops in baseball.
in that he is a proven commodity. Collins knows what he has in Tejada there is not a lot of unknown. Proven has nothing to do with whether you like his game or not. Many managers don't like to experiment with players that they don't really know as well. Obviously with the team winning mostly because of their pitching Collins feels most comfortable keeping Tejada in there. Agree or disagree I don't see why that is such a hard concept for people understand. It isn't like Collins is doing something unorthodox in playing the guy he obviously has the most confidence in.
I understand a fan wanting to see Flores, but my point is that Collins is simply doing what many managers have done for years in sticking with the guy they know. There is no big head scratcher here. While he is making the decisions he wants to win as many games as he can as the manager. If he gets a call from the front office telling him that they want to see the kid play ss everyday he then is off the hook if it goes badly.
You are right, Tejada is a proven commodity...proven to be pretty bad.
If you are arguing that Collins feels more comfortable with Tejada, then that's fine. But that's just another indictment of how bad a manager Collins is.
I think you are wrong when you say that most managers would do the same. I tend to believe that if there is a possible better option to a bad situation, that most managers are going to give their team the best chance to win. Hence, give that possible better option a chance. There's little upside to sticking with Tejada. Like you said...you know what you are getting with Tejada, and it's not good.
think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.
Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
Steve, you see, this is where you lose me. How do you think that Tejada gives the Mets a better chance to win? He's awful.
You have one of the best offense prospects that the franchise has ever had and he's treated like Captain Kirk. I'm sorry, but there is not a single logical reason for sticking with Tejada as long as he has. Nada. Tejada hasn't earned anything. And this was the perfect year to play Flores consistently and see if you have something special. I just don't see how a manager can look at a prospect that tears up the minors for years and think that he can't give him a better option than one of the worst shortstops in baseball.
First of all I have not been explaining what I hope they do or would like to see. Sure it would be fun watching a rookie get time and I would be curious to see what Flores might do. What I have been saying is that I understand why Collins is playing Tejada, it really is not mystery to me like it seems to be to so many others.
RE: No offense Steve, but I disagree with your entire post
You are right, Tejada is a proven commodity...proven to be pretty bad.
If you are arguing that Collins feels more comfortable with Tejada, then that's fine. But that's just another indictment of how bad a manager Collins is.
I think you are wrong when you say that most managers would do the same. I tend to believe that if there is a possible better option to a bad situation, that most managers are going to give their team the best chance to win. Hence, give that possible better option a chance. There's little upside to sticking with Tejada. Like you said...you know what you are getting with Tejada, and it's not good.
Again as I said before. I think that with pitching being such an important part of the Mets chance at success and then factoring in that to some extent they are already leaning towards bats over gloves at second and first they view it as a strength to have the best available defense up the middle in SS and CF.
He would be an improvement in LF over Chris Young IF he could play there. I do not know what Chris Young that could not be provided by Eric Campbell. Start Campbell in LF!
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Time to step up at home and get back to 500!
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that's why he is a "players' manager": young guys are less likely to complain when they ride the pine. So, you play the vets to keep them happy
Tejada is 4 defensive runs saved above average, Flores is 0(average). Do you not think that Flores can create four more runs than Tejada?
I think he has one at short this season. It would be interesting to know who the pitching staff would prefer play? I know Keith Hernandez said the other night that his opinion was that Tejada needs to get most of the time at short.
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He has been playing some real good defense and making some real nice plays of late. The number one reason the Mets have been winning more is because of the good pitching and it keeping them in, and giving them a chance most games. Don't underestimate how much that factors into who is going to get the lions share at ss.
Tejada is 4 defensive runs saved above average, Flores is 0(average). Do you not think that Flores can create four more runs than Tejada?
I think that with pitching being such an important part of the Mets chance at success and then factoring in that to some extent they are already leaning towards bats over gloves at second and first they view it as a strength to have the best available defense up the middle in SS and CF.
And yes Flores does have one error this year.
Personally he could have an error every week for the rest of the year, it is highly unlikely to cost us at all.
1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.
The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
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And yes Flores does have one error this year.
Personally he could have an error every week for the rest of the year, it is highly unlikely to cost us at all.
Well there's the rub, he may very well end up being just as good defensively as Tejada but as long as the Mets are in it and have a shot at the playoffs most managers won't experiment at the ML level just in order to find out. I just looked and he has 12 errors in the minors this season, eight when playing ss so it is understandable why Collins goes with Tejada at this time. Now once they are completely out of the playoff hunt then I would agree put him there everyday so they have a better idea of what they have in Flores going forward for next season.
1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.
The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
It's not a bigger show than any time Ruben decides to pretend to be a GM. I really thought Pat Gillick was the worst until Ruben stepped up.
Tejada sucks and Im so sick of looking at him. He's not some defensive wiz, he's barely average at SS. We need offense in the worst way, and Flores offers a clear upgrade.
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1. Hamels has been a stud. He is pitching tomorrow against a team who has owned him for his career.
2. Ken Giles. Our 8th inning reliever. It might be worth losing one game to see this kid. Just nasty.
3. The trials and tribulations of Ryan Howard. He has been very bad this year, but the team seems to pinning the entire failures of the organization on him this year.
The Phillies put on a better show than Barnum and Bailey right now.
It's not a bigger show than any time Ruben decides to pretend to be a GM. I really thought Pat Gillick was the worst until Ruben stepped up.
Pat Gillick is a 3x world series GM, and was at the helm for Seattle's prime years of 2000-2003. Gillick's GM resume is not matched by many.
The whole Collins/Tejada love affair is weird. Its like the love affair between Mike Woodson and JR Smith...except, at least JR Smith has talent
If Collins thought that the Mets were going to be on the playoff hunt then he's even more delluded than I originally thought. This was the PERFECT year to "experiment" on Flores. If not now, then when? All at the expense of fucking Tejada? Come on.
Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
As much as I have probably been the biggest supporter of Flores here, I don't view him as a long term SS. Play him there for the season though. See what you have. If he isn't beyond embarrassing, you now know you have a Murphy replacement at 2b. If he is embarrassing, you resign Murphy.
As much as I have probably been the biggest supporter of Flores here, I don't view him as a long term SS. Play him there for the season though. See what you have. If he isn't beyond embarrassing, you now know you have a Murphy replacement at 2b. If he is embarrassing, you resign Murphy.
Agree with this 100% and who knows he might even be able to hold the position for a year or two until the SS brigade makes it here assuming he stays thin and in shape. Flores former scouting reports are bullshit. Wally flat out timed him running down the first baseline a few weeks ago and he posted his fastest time ever. He actually did improve his speed this year and that a fact. He's not the same player.
Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
Steve, you see, this is where you lose me. How do you think that Tejada gives the Mets a better chance to win? He's awful.
You have one of the best offense prospects that the franchise has ever had and he's treated like Captain Kirk. I'm sorry, but there is not a single logical reason for sticking with Tejada as long as he has. Nada. Tejada hasn't earned anything. And this was the perfect year to play Flores consistently and see if you have something special. I just don't see how a manager can look at a prospect that tears up the minors for years and think that he can't give him a better option than one of the worst shortstops in baseball.
I understand a fan wanting to see Flores, but my point is that Collins is simply doing what many managers have done for years in sticking with the guy they know. There is no big head scratcher here. While he is making the decisions he wants to win as many games as he can as the manager. If he gets a call from the front office telling him that they want to see the kid play ss everyday he then is off the hook if it goes badly.
If you are arguing that Collins feels more comfortable with Tejada, then that's fine. But that's just another indictment of how bad a manager Collins is.
I think you are wrong when you say that most managers would do the same. I tend to believe that if there is a possible better option to a bad situation, that most managers are going to give their team the best chance to win. Hence, give that possible better option a chance. There's little upside to sticking with Tejada. Like you said...you know what you are getting with Tejada, and it's not good.
If you saw that route he took on Murphy's ball would make you ponder if he is a little league player. Just god awful in every sense of the word.
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think that as long as they are still alive they are in the hunt. Just the other day they were sux or seven out of the wildcard race. I think that a manager will believe he should try to give his team the best chance of narrowing that gap.
Simply looking at it as a season to not try even when still in it shouldn't be Collins priority it would be Sandy's and the order to play a rookie as a regular over a veteran up to this point to see what they have should come down from the front office.
Steve, you see, this is where you lose me. How do you think that Tejada gives the Mets a better chance to win? He's awful.
You have one of the best offense prospects that the franchise has ever had and he's treated like Captain Kirk. I'm sorry, but there is not a single logical reason for sticking with Tejada as long as he has. Nada. Tejada hasn't earned anything. And this was the perfect year to play Flores consistently and see if you have something special. I just don't see how a manager can look at a prospect that tears up the minors for years and think that he can't give him a better option than one of the worst shortstops in baseball.
First of all I have not been explaining what I hope they do or would like to see. Sure it would be fun watching a rookie get time and I would be curious to see what Flores might do. What I have been saying is that I understand why Collins is playing Tejada, it really is not mystery to me like it seems to be to so many others.
If you are arguing that Collins feels more comfortable with Tejada, then that's fine. But that's just another indictment of how bad a manager Collins is.
I think you are wrong when you say that most managers would do the same. I tend to believe that if there is a possible better option to a bad situation, that most managers are going to give their team the best chance to win. Hence, give that possible better option a chance. There's little upside to sticking with Tejada. Like you said...you know what you are getting with Tejada, and it's not good.
Again as I said before. I think that with pitching being such an important part of the Mets chance at success and then factoring in that to some extent they are already leaning towards bats over gloves at second and first they view it as a strength to have the best available defense up the middle in SS and CF.