Nothing major to report. Asking prices still said to be astronomical.
Hamels being offered but the Phils want the moon.
Lester likely to be dealt, with the Brewers a surprising suitor and the Mariners and Orioles said to be involved.
Price less likely to be dealt as the Rays keep winning.
Lackey could be dealt as well because of his dirt cheap option for next year.
as of 2010, top 10 picks have a 40% change of being a "successful" MLB player. Just 40%.
2nd round is under 10%. I'd lose a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat, top 10 I'd need someone special.
PJ - I agree with you and your point. I just don't ignore losing a second round pick and the slot money. Not as valuable as a 1, but also to not completely discount a 2.
What I am asking is not trolling or being stupid. In fact I find the idea of the Mets trading for Lester to be insane and a waste of discussion. But I'm trying to understand the point of view.
I was suggesting to trade for Price, not Lester, maybe it's splitting hairs and means the same thing to you.
But the Rays are in a different situation from Boston in they can't afford their stars.
And what's different is in Price's case he has a year of arbitration left (2015), before he's a FA, so you can't just sign him in the off-season.
Let me explain my thinking. Hitters are massively expensive right now, yet Lester seems attainable. I have zero problem giving up a 3/4 pitcher like Niese who will soon cost half the price of Lester (plus prospects). we are adding a top of the rotation lefty who is used to winning. And is protection in case Harvey returns as a 2 and not a 1. Third, it takes the pressure off Wheeler. He is a 3 now, doesn't need to be an ace. Same with deGrom and whoever becomes our 5.
Financially I show above how it's done. Con and Niese make what Lester will make. We have a glut of pitching anyway. Lester makes trading young arms for a bat a lot easier. Less maybes in the rotation. You can now trade Gee and Murphy and young arms for big bats. Again, the financials. Gee and Murphy are about to start making big money. So in my scenario. Spending on an ace like lefty, it saves you money with the corresponding moves.
We don't have to agree. But you asked for the how and why I think Lester makes sense.
However, I believe the Phillies are going to want Taveras, which I doubt St. Louis parts with.
The Cardinals have been jerking Taveras around this year. Calling him up to sit mostly on the bench. Sending him down then calling him up again and not giving him significant at bats ahead of Craig even though Craig is having a terrible year. If they are not going to give him at bats he should be at AAA. I wonder if the Cardinals are souring on Taveras.
The end.
The end.
In the case of price, I believe it's more a case of the TB operating model than the fact they don't want him. Like the Twins with Santana. I don't think any sane person would say the Twins didn't want Santana nor would they say the Rays don't want Price.
that's silly to phrase it that way.
I just believe that in a lot of cases prospects most value is as prospects. Can Thor become an ace? Maybe, but you know Price is an ace.
so if trading Thor to the Rays (plus) and getting back Price works I do it.
I see no failure in that model on anyone's part, no rejects involved, no unwanted players, the only failure is in hindsight (like in the Santana trade) if the prospects fail to provide value to their new team, in which case it only strengthens my perspective.
Trading Low A prospects (especially injured ones) is a shitty proposition for both teams though, and it always has been. You never get full value because of the information asymmetry (you almost have to assume the player has medical problems) and the gaining team has to hope that three years and some good luck with health from now he can contribute.
Severino is untouchable. That would be a 1980s George trade that always kept the Yanks in neutral
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Trade I'd like to see happen: De La Rosa to the Yankees in exchange for right-handed pitching prospect Luis Severino and 3B/LF prospect Dante Bichette Jr. That deal would give the Yankees a legitimate chance of giving Derek Jeter one last shot at another title. De La Rosa is one of the most underrated left-handed starters in baseball and has the makeup and character to handle the New York market during a pennant race. I would then like to see the Yankees turn around and send shortstop prospect Abiatal Avelino to the Twins for Josh Willingham.
Severino is untouchable. That would be a 1980s George trade that always kept the Yanks in neutral
Severino isn't untouchable, he could be a centerpiece to go out and get a stud like Tulowitzki or Stanton. But you don't deal the best pitching prospect you've had in five or six years to get two months of a good but not great starter is just fucking moronic.
Sure, no dispute here. But it's not a trade that is likely to be made for that reason.
The burden is whether the return is better than a QO (first rounder), and it isn't likely to be.
Byrd to the DL, another bat "off" the market.
Get a great package in return. Free up $27mm in payroll while ADDING prospects. Then blow away the Marlins with an offer for Stanton in the offseason.
They love to be linked to big names at the last second. Free PR, and the never pull the trigger.
Byrd to the DL, another bat "off" the market.
Where did you read that Dan? No disagreeing, just havent seen it.
Rube cant trade him anyways. Amaro is a moron.
lol, Pirates should have just resigned him then, i guess amaro blew everyone out of the water with his offer.
Yankees working hard on trying to improve rotation and bullpen according to a pair of NL GM's.
Jon Lester has been scratched from tomorrow's start apparently.
Jon Lester has been scratched from tomorrow's start apparently.
That means a trade with someone is all but agreed
It's becoming more and more likely that Jon Lester will in fact be traded to the Pittsburgh Pirates according to several reports.
Pittsburgh has emerged as the favorite for Jon Lester followed by the #Dodgers. Several teams are remaining interested.
FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Athletics are also "in the mix" for Jon Lester.
It would certainly be a stunner if they were able to land Lester after picking up Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel earlier this month. Rosenthal has also reported that the Cardinals, Dodgers and Pirates are in negotiations with the Red Sox regarding Lester. Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com also hears that the Blue Jays and Orioles are in on Lester, though WEEI.com's Rob Bradford and Alex Speier are saying those two teams are out of it. Lester has been scratched from Wednesday's scheduled start and is expected to be dealt soon.
Related: Dodgers, Athletics, Pirates, Cardinals
Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter
Jul 30 - 12:35 A
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