NFT: Tuesday MLB Trade Deadline Thread

and Braves the reported "favorites" for Denorfia

are rebuilding, but if they trade Lester and Lackey, whose going to pitch?

Buchholz? What a disaster he's turned into.

Doubront? See Buchholz.

Rubby De la rosa and Alan Webster?

I feel like last year's success (short-term deals) has lulled the Sox into a false sense of bravado they don't need any long-term deals.

Dealing Lester would be a mistake IMO. Lackey, at his cost would be too.

Jimmy Nelson to rent Lester sounds like insanity to me unless they work out a contract as part of the deal (doubtful)

they can sign Lester anyway (no QO for an in-season deal) and Scherzer if they want to.

dealing Lackey would be idiotic unless they get the moon in return.

dealing Lackey makes little to no sense unless they get a MONSTER return. His team option is amazing for Boston.

although I highly doubt that he will be paid the league minimum next season, at least if he pitches for Boston. The more likely scenario is that they extend him slightly in such a way as to boost next year's salary with a friendly second year. OTOH, having Lackey cost-controlled at a low rate, assuming he doesn't follow through on a hinted retirement if the option is enforced, gives him tremendous value as a trade piece. Perhaps even more than Lester who will be capped by being a rental.

Mike Carp and Johnny Gomes could also move. Carp has requested a trade. Likely for only low value. Andrew Miller should bring in a good return, although he also is a rental. If I were Cherington, I would make a good offer to Miller now and extend him and trade Koji in stead. Koji should bring a really good return.

Was mentioned by Sherman as a possibility

Seattle's staff would be insane.

is from WA too so I'm guessing they would make a big push to keep him as well.

quotes a friend of Lester's saying "no chance" he signs with Boston. Not sure if that includes after the season.

even if traded?

I was just going to post that iI don't see who would want to trade for Lester and give anything up if he's willing to resign there after the season ends.

and Lester himself saying that he has no aversion to it. I can see him saying he'd come back right now, because he doesn't know any other team. He might like it once he gets away to a new environs. OTOH, there is so much history with the Sox that the affinity for them could be real and maybe he would come back at something slightly less than the very highest bid (which I would expect to be NYY, unless he gets traded to LAD). I think a lot will depend on the tenor of his leaving if he gets traded or how the season and warmth of a last place team fits if he stays.

without any real information

They are trying to keep their own at a bargain. If not, they let him go(and will probably tell the papers that he beats children).

In all seriousness, they are good at getting their own guys to accept below market value deals to stick around.

was he was no longer going to negotiate during the season, after they had made some progress and exchanged offers.

It makes sense, he's been lights out this year and to get this close to free agency I don't blame him.

Lackey's pricetag is not nearly as beneficial as it is for a small-market team. A legit 3 or 4 pitching for peanuts helps the Brewers more than the BoSox. If they can address positions of need with the return or add another solid prospect to the system it wouldn't be a terrible move. Next season may not be much better than this one, as they'll probably be giving pretty regular reps to four position players who are first or second year players. But it's a way to establish themselves on a firm footing going forward.

was they'd package lackey and lester - lackey to offset the "rental" aspect of lester and get a better return.

there is the threat, as mentioned, that Lackey would retire instead of playing for 500k, so he'd probably want something done financially with the acquiring team to get a deal done.

I think, especially as the deadline approaches, the value of both separately will exceed the package. I also think at least one team will overpay for Lester, rental-be-damned if it looks like there is a lot of competition.

From the Sox perspective, I would trade one or the other but not both. If it was Lackey that was traded, I would buckle and pay Lester market value. Otherwise, they are looking at losing a pick and going for Scherzer or something. No way would it be Buccholz and rookies next year.

Remember, they are likely to be protected. They'll lose a 2nd rounder, which matters, but not the 1st.

but the main point is that they would still need to bring a top level vet arm.

How much more than Niese or Gee would the Sox want? Assuming a resigning is negotiated in advance.

Also a trade of Lester makes him more appealing in the winter without the first rounder attached to him.

NO!

on Adrian Beltre?

Heard he's a hot commodity as a bat

Also what the hell happened to Bryce Harper??

In comment 11785290 Shecky said:

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How much more than Niese or Gee would the Sox want? Assuming a resigning is negotiated in advance. Also a trade of Lester makes him more appealing in the winter without the first rounder attached to him.

The Mets first rounder has a good chance of being protected again, but I wouldn't sign Lester. If the Mets want to add pitching I'd trad for Price.

Trade I'd like to see happen: De La Rosa to the Yankees in exchange for right-handed pitching prospect Luis Severino and 3B/LF prospect Dante Bichette Jr. That deal would give the Yankees a legitimate chance of giving Derek Jeter one last shot at another title. De La Rosa is one of the most underrated left-handed starters in baseball and has the makeup and character to handle the New York market during a pennant race. I would then like to see the Yankees turn around and send shortstop prospect Abiatal Avelino to the Twins for Josh Willingham.

I agree. But the cost would be substantial higher, no? In prospects. Dollars. and in years.

Either would be huge. We go from maybe having the great staff we plan to build around. To HAVING. The great staff. A lefty. Front end known commodity. Who makes trading the young arms for a bat easier to eventually swallow
Harvey
Lester
Wheeler
DeGrom
Thor/Montero/Matz/Gorski/Hefner/whoever...
I like that starting five a LOT. Especially with our young pen.

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find it hard to believe Texas would get enough for it to be worth dealing Beltre. The guy is quietly an excellent candidate for the HOF, showing zero signs of decline and short years. Texas is awful this year but they have so much invested in Darvish, Choo, Fielder, Andrus etc, I find it hard to believe they are going to dismantle what they have. Their injury situation this year has been absolutely ridiculous.

They lost Perez, Fielder, Moreland, Holland, Profar all for basically the entire season.

"5 trades that should happen" are always ridiculous.

would cost a lot more.

I'd trade Thor, Flores and Plawecki for Price and Zobrist (on the condition the Mets can negotiate an extension for Price - not sure if that's in the ballpark for what Price wold cost. Seems comparable for what the Mets gave up for Santana.

the rotation would be the best in mets history (Maybe?)

Price
Harvey
Wheeler
Niese
Gee
deGrom
Colon (until he's dealt)

trade for an expensive pitcher when they have cheap ones in abundance who are better?

it would make sense for the Mets to trade prospects to get Price. Lester would make sense to sign as an FA if the Mets traded something like Niese/Thor/Plawecki/Flores to CO for Tulo (or a similar but lesser package for Cargo).

for Willingham isn't insane if the Yankees are "going for it". The other deal is ridiculous.

In comment 11785363 SethFromAstoria said:

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trade for an expensive pitcher when they have cheap ones in abundance who are better?

Are they better?

Price is an ace. Best case thor is too, but wasn't Humber "an ace" wasn't Pelfrey "an ace"?

others have been potential aces too.

Price is.

That's why you trade for him.

is insane under any circumstances.

"going for it" is itself insane if you're the Yankees, though. This simply isn't a very good team. Tanaka's individual brilliance is why they're over .500, and it's not likely that he takes the mound again this season.

Niese plus for Lester. Sign him 5/$100 or whatever it is he is worth.
Colon for anything. Niese and Colon free up $18 of the $20 by adding Lester.

Gee (plus?) to the Rockies for Dickerson in LF. Gee will make 6-8mm in arbitration next year. Also clear CY next year is another $7mm. So adding Lester and Dickerson is SAVING us net about $12mm so far.

Talk to Texas about a SS. I'd be more than happy taking on his contract for a coue if B prospects. Or one A prospect. $12mm saved above, add $15mm for Andrus. Increased payroll by $3mm.

I then trade Murphy (plus) for a Joc Pederson type of prospect. Save $10-$12mm a year there. Increase of $3mm is now a $9mm decrease!! Depending on what prospects you had to give up, if we still have the ammo I go hard after Stanton or Goldschmidt to finish it off.
Trade Grandy if we turn out to get lucky to have a gout of OF, which I wouldn't count on.

Not much of a farm left. But we are serious contenders. It's all doable. And on a light payroll for the next 3 years. At that point our young A ballets are hopefully major league ready to start replenishing the teAm.

how is Avelino for Willingham not insane?

Beltre is 10th all-time in the history of the sport in fWAR at 3b. Barring an absolutely stunning decline he will retire no worse than 8th and 7th (passing Brooks Robinson) is possible. Fangraphs has him as the 4th greatest defensive 3b ever behind Robinson, Boyer and Buddy Bell. Quite a career.

he's a 19 year old SS very, very far away from the majors with 1 homer in 148 professional games. I'm not advocating the Yankees make such a trade but teams "going for it" have to pay the prices. Hate to tell you baseball "experts" wouldn't lose their minds if such a trade was made.

In comment 11785368 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 11785363 SethFromAstoria said: Quote: trade for an expensive pitcher when they have cheap ones in abundance who are better? Are they better? Price is an ace. Best case thor is too, but wasn't Humber "an ace" wasn't Pelfrey "an ace"? others have been potential aces too. Price is. That's why you trade for him.

Point I was making is who is not doing well enough to stay right now? Who is not pulling their weight on that side of the ball? Enough that we want to bring in someone else's high priced reject?

Callis doesn't have Avelino as a top 20 prospect in the Yankees system. Let's not go crazy here, regardless if you like him or not.

so how is trading a shortstop prospect helping the yankees?

has been terrible two years in a row. I wouldn't trade anything for him

Lefty ace of the defending champs is now a reject?
Wonder what you think of the Rockies reject SS and Marlins reject RF?

hasn't been good in years. I wouldn't trade anything for him.

In comment 11785384 SethFromAstoria said:

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In comment 11785368 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 11785363 SethFromAstoria said: Quote: trade for an expensive pitcher when they have cheap ones in abundance who are better? Are they better? Price is an ace. Best case thor is too, but wasn't Humber "an ace" wasn't Pelfrey "an ace"? others have been potential aces too. Price is. That's why you trade for him. Point I was making is who is not doing well enough to stay right now? Who is not pulling their weight on that side of the ball? Enough that we want to bring in someone else's high priced reject?

I doubt Colon is here next year, Niese and Gee are both injury concerns and Harvey is coming off TJ.

I'd love a top 3 of Price, Harvey and Wheeler, if deGrom is legit that's a formidable top 4. the bullpen looks good and it then allows the Mets to trade Gee or Niese or Montero for a SS or OF. Matz is the wild card, he's older, but less experienced because of the injuries, but he could be on the doorstep too, so it's not like leaving the farm system barren.

I think Price is more attainable and a surer bet to play out his contract that Tulo.

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said there is a 200% markup on David Price. I don't think he is getting traded based on that. Maybe it will be easier in the off season.