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NY Times: Coach Has Giants Huddling in Hurry, or Not at All

Canton : 7/29/2014 11:06 am
Some incredible insight on the Giants new offense..

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The Giants may frequently use no huddle at all — they practice it all the time — but when they do pause between plays, McAdoo still wants the offensive unit racing between snaps. Generally, the goal is to be ready to start the next play well before the play clock reaches the teens.

At most of the Giants’ practices so far, the offense has snapped the ball sometime between 18 to 26 seconds after the play clock has been reset.

And that makes McAdoo a broken record in practice: “Twenty, 19, 18, 17 ...”


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It has forced Manning, a 10-year veteran, to retool the mechanics of the huddle and the method used to get the offensive unit set at the line of scrimmage. But Manning has been a happy convert.

“I like it,” he said before Monday’s practice. “If we set up faster, it should reveal how the defense is reacting to us sooner. If we’ve got a great play called for that defense, then we run it. If we have a play called with no chance for success, we can get into our other options. It gives me more time to decipher what to do and get the right play called without being rushed.”

There are other advantages....




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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2014 11:08 am : link
Pennington usually writes good stuff.
Translation:  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2014 11:08 am : link
I can stop taking all these delay of game penalties and looking like a moron.
Awesome  
Giantology : 7/29/2014 11:09 am : link
Eli has always been a damn good no huddle QB, and has been quite adept at reading defenses in the past. Very excited about this aspect of the new offense.
Uptempo is something Eli's excelled at  
JonC : 7/29/2014 11:10 am : link
but the short passing game is not, so this will be interesting.
It's not just the delay of game penalties  
TheManUpstairs : 7/29/2014 11:10 am : link
When you frequently snap at "1" (or later) on the play clock, the pass rush doesn't have to hesitate a bit; they're coming.

It's what we always wanted (maybe).  
GiantFilthy : 7/29/2014 11:10 am : link
Lots of BBIers have always pointed out how great Eli is in the two-minute drill/no huddle and wanted us to always play that way. There is definitely a downside to going no huddle all the time and it usually isn't smart.

BUT a hurry up offense that breaks the huddle quickly is a whole different bag of YES!!
wow  
oipolloi : 7/29/2014 11:11 am : link
maybe the Giants will actually avoid delay of game penalties and racing the clock on almost every snap

Hey, our offense sounds like it's joining this decade  
Kyle : 7/29/2014 11:11 am : link
That's good to hear.
RE: It's not just the delay of game penalties  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2014 11:11 am : link
In comment 11785247 TheManUpstairs said:
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When you frequently snap at "1" (or later) on the play clock, the pass rush doesn't have to hesitate a bit; they're coming.

That too. They could always pin their ears back.
Now the players won't have time to do  
Jimmy Googs : 7/29/2014 11:19 am : link
their silly "first down" hand gestures (ahem...Cruz) after every catch. Give the ball to the refs and run back to the huddle.

I will miss the "Omaha" yells with 2 seconds on the clock though...
BTW - the picture of McAdoo in that article  
Jimmy Googs : 7/29/2014 11:22 am : link
with all that clothing on. Isn't it like 90 degrees out there at camp?

Does this guy have ice in his veins or his trying to sweat off some extra pounds?
Absolutely music to my ears.  
BeerFridge : 7/29/2014 11:24 am : link
As long as I still get to hear "Omaha" a few times a game.
I can hear Bob Papa in my head  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/29/2014 11:31 am : link
"Giants late getting out of the huddle with the play clock at 11...."

"Manning audiblizing at the line with the play clock down to 3, down to 2...."

"Manning just takes the snap...."

Jimmy Googs  
GiantBlue : 7/29/2014 11:37 am : link
Andy Reid used to wear those heavy clothes in training camp. It is either a GB thing or he is trying to slim down a bit.
gotta say that I like the sound of that  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2014 11:39 am : link
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This is great news.  
Section331 : 7/29/2014 11:40 am : link
Eli's ability to read defenses and make changes at the LOS makes this a no-brainer. Certainly not all the time, but for stretches, the no-huddle can be a great weapon.

Regarding Eli's accuracy in the short passing game, I've always felt that those problems were due to his often lazy footwork. I noticed in many practice videos that the Giants have incorporated footwork drills for Eli even within other passing drills.

Maybe I'm being a Pollyanna, but I think he's going to excel in this offense.
Reading articles like this kinda piss me off.  
eclipz928 : 7/29/2014 11:49 am : link
When I hear quotes from Randle talking about how he thinks 80% of Eli's int's were the result of miscommunication, and Eli being enthusiastic about the quickness in which McAdoo is getting the plays to him it just makes me wonder what the fuck was this offense doing before?!

What I've been hearing over the last couple weeks just seems like a lot of common sense stuff when it comes to running an offense in today's NFL, and I can't help but get the impression that this team has been truly handicapped over the last few seasons with the offensive philosophy that they were employing on gameday.
Good  
Anakim : 7/29/2014 11:50 am : link
That should cut down the delay of games
Doesn't this sound  
mrvax : 7/29/2014 11:57 am : link
a bit like Chip Kelly II?
Interested  
mitch300 : 7/29/2014 11:59 am : link
to see what the offense looks like this weekend. I know is preseaon they don't show alot of this seasons playbook, but still looking forward to this game.
RE: Doesn't this sound  
Kyle : 7/29/2014 12:02 pm : link
In comment 11785307 mrvax said:
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a bit like Chip Kelly II?


A lot of teams played at a fast pace now. Patriots set some records for offensive plays per game a few years back.
The 2014 season's complaint is on deck:  
jcn56 : 7/29/2014 12:30 pm : link
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Why the hell do they keep lining up so quickly and snapping the ball with 25 seconds left on the clock? Wait a little and see what the defense is showing first
eclipz928  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2014 12:31 pm : link
it cuts both ways. The Giants offense - which won two titles - was (contrary to popular belief) unpredictable to defender for defensive backs because they didn't know the route.

Now the routes will be more predictable.

Physical match-ups will matter more ... it will be less of a chess match.
Getting to the line more quickly should be a plus.  
Ira : 7/29/2014 12:39 pm : link
In addition to giving the team the opportunity to change the play, their should be less of those 5 yard penalties for taking too much time.
Unintentional bonus  
Bob Sacamano : 7/29/2014 12:42 pm : link
Will hopefully be that our defense gets used to playing against an up-tempo, attacking offense. So when we play the Eagles and other fast teams, they will be used to seeing it and defending it on a weekly basis.
Interested to see how if affects  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2014 12:47 pm : link
TOP.
every year....Eli 5 4 3 2 1  
BCD : 7/29/2014 1:22 pm : link
F! 5 yards back
check that...every game....2 or 3 times  
BCD : 7/29/2014 1:23 pm : link
a game!!!!!!!
No more delay of game penalties=  
Bobby Epps : 7/29/2014 1:29 pm : link
no more Troy Aikman's criticisms of "Eli should know better than that".

IMO Aikman criticizes Eli more harshly than he does Romo throwing INTs.
I remember Fassel wanting to do this when he became head coach.  
Exit 172 : 7/29/2014 1:32 pm : link
And I do remember the offense early on in his tenure snapping the ball with plenty of seconds left on the play clock. But they soon got away from that and were draining the play clock.

I hope McAdoo stays with this.
Eric, our offense was also unpredictable  
CT Charlie : 7/29/2014 1:57 pm : link
because our WR's didn't know the route...
Good  
Rflairr : 7/29/2014 2:20 pm : link
Enough with Eli trying to do all that crap at the line and barely getting the ball off in time. Basically making it easy for the DL to jump snaps
our WR talent set is perfect for this offense  
gtt350 : 7/29/2014 4:30 pm : link
we are going to be dynamic, there I said it
RE: Eric, our offense was also unpredictable  
gtt350 : 7/29/2014 4:31 pm : link
In comment 11785550 CT Charlie said:
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because our WR's didn't know the route...


bhahahaha hilarious
short pass  
SBlue46 : 7/29/2014 7:09 pm : link
Picks will give opposing teams short field
RE: eclipz928  
AnishPatel : 7/29/2014 7:37 pm : link
In comment 11785358 Eric from BBI said:
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it cuts both ways. The Giants offense - which won two titles - was (contrary to popular belief) unpredictable to defender for defensive backs because they didn't know the route.

Now the routes will be more predictable.

Physical match-ups will matter more ... it will be less of a chess match.


It will be a trade off and chess match. But maybe now we won't see WR goes one way and ball go another. In this new offense I don't expect Eli to lead the league in Ints. Maybe.. just maybe, we can see Eli throw over 30 TDs for the 2nd time in a season.
RE: RE: eclipz928  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/29/2014 11:05 pm : link
In comment 11786031 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 11785358 Eric from BBI said:


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it cuts both ways. The Giants offense - which won two titles - was (contrary to popular belief) unpredictable to defender for defensive backs because they didn't know the route.

Now the routes will be more predictable.

Physical match-ups will matter more ... it will be less of a chess match.



It will be a trade off and chess match. But maybe now we won't see WR goes one way and ball go another. In this new offense I don't expect Eli to lead the league in Ints. Maybe.. just maybe, we can see Eli throw over 30 TDs for the 2nd time in a season.


We shall see.

These were just from the Dallas game alone, which cost them the season.

4th down in the 3rd quarter. Receivers right into each other. Turnover on downs.



Jernigan does the out. Eli does the go. Who knows what is going on here.




2nd and 1 after 9 yard gain. The whole team appears to be prepping to block for a run not knowing Eli is going to throw the ball. Randle is surprised too as the ball goes over his head.




The last one is on Eli/Randle, regardless of the coordinator  
Kyle : 7/30/2014 12:14 am : link
Every QB who isn't using Baby's First Playbook can throw a hot route to the WR without switching the play at all.

Romo-to-Austin slant routes on the fly, while the rest of the team was running the called run play, were pretty devastating a few years back.
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