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Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 9:05 am
Seems like a strong possibility Lester is dealt today as he was scratched from his start and I'm sure another team wouldn't mind trotting him out there tonight (if practicable). Nick Cafardo says Cardinals, Pirates, Brewers and Mariners are the hunt.

Yankees are in the mix for Willingham but the Mariners are said to be the favorites.

The Cards are desperate to add front-line pitching help and are discussing Hamels, Price and Lester.

The Rangers are trying to deal Rios.

All of this cribbed from MLBTR
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DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 1:56 pm : link
can't imagine Benoit being "cheap". Very good reliever, very fair contract, SD just got a nice return for Street, gotta believe similar return to SD for Benoit.
Benoit  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 2:02 pm : link
FIP since 2010-

2.43
2.96
4.26
2.87
2.65

1 year 8 million with a 2nd year team option (2016)

Really, really underrated. Padres are likely going to make it "hurt" for someone.
Phillies willing to eat  
dep026 : 7/30/2014 2:07 pm : link
a good chunk of money for Lee. Look for him to move after august 1st.
First domino...  
Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 2:09 pm : link
David Cameron @DCameronFG 2m
A very STL kind of move. RT @pgammo: The Indians are trading Justin Masterson to the Cardinals

RE: .  
Mike in Philly : 7/30/2014 2:11 pm : link
In comment 11786829 Jints in Carolina said:
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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m
Source: Very good chance that #RedSox trade Lackey along with Lester.

Good God. They're going to get rid of ALL their veteran starters? Isn't it beneficial to have at least one on the roster for the younger pitchers to learn from? That would leave them with Bucholtz as the veterant. Ughhh...
that's a huge contract next year  
feelflows : 7/30/2014 2:14 pm : link
for a guy coming off of an elbow injury.

$25M next year and a club option for 2016

how much money do you think they'd eat??
Ian Kennedy is a dog  
Stan from LA : 7/30/2014 2:15 pm : link
He would meltdown and pee in his pants pitching in NY and the AL East.
RE: Ian Kennedy is a dog  
Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 11787053 Stan from LA said:
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He would meltdown and pee in his pants pitching in NY and the AL East.


Now I'm warming to IPK back in pinstripes.
RE: that's a huge contract next year  
dep026 : 7/30/2014 2:17 pm : link
In comment 11787045 feelflows said:
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for a guy coming off of an elbow injury.

$25M next year and a club option for 2016

how much money do you think they'd eat??


Depnds on the prospect coming back. The better the prospect, the more money they should eat. But there is also rumors Lee could leave in a straight salary dump for a non prospect.

One thing is for sure. Amaro will fuck it up.
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Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 2:19 pm : link
Beisbol's Org @BeisbolsOrg 58s
James Ramsay is the return for the Indians. Absolute steal for the Cardinals.

RE: RE: that's a huge contract next year  
Stan from LA : 7/30/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11787062 dep026 said:
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In comment 11787045 feelflows said:


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for a guy coming off of an elbow injury.

$25M next year and a club option for 2016

how much money do you think they'd eat??



Depnds on the prospect coming back. The better the prospect, the more money they should eat. But there is also rumors Lee could leave in a straight salary dump for a non prospect.

One thing is for sure. Amaro will fuck it up.


I'll take Lee if he leaves his wife in Philly.
Ramsey  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 2:19 pm : link
is having a nice year but he's viewed as a 4th OF type. Really nice gamble
Another rumor I heard  
dep026 : 7/30/2014 2:20 pm : link
is Burnett to the Pirates will pick up after August 1st too.
Lee  
feelflows : 7/30/2014 2:21 pm : link
could be a nice addition to any team in a race.

The Phillies don't need a salary dump, they need to refill their system. Lee and Byrd are the best chance for that.
RE: Lee  
dep026 : 7/30/2014 2:24 pm : link
In comment 11787077 feelflows said:
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could be a nice addition to any team in a race.

The Phillies don't need a salary dump, they need to refill their system. Lee and Byrd are the best chance for that.


Hamels is their best chance, but Amaro is asking for the moon plus a few planets. Which is fine by me, because Hamels has been one of the best 5 pitchers in baseball in the last 5 years, and has been absolutely insane this year.

You wont get anything for Lee. He is pretty much washed up, IMO. Utley would garner a nice return, but he wont waive his 10/5 clause.
From RAB  
Stan from LA : 7/30/2014 2:27 pm : link
In comment 11787069 Dunedin81 said:
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Beisbol's Org @BeisbolsOrg 58s
James Ramsay is the return for the Indians. Absolute steal for the Cardinals.


Unfortunately, the 3 MPH on his fastball were traded somewhere else.
Rollins is due $11M next year  
feelflows : 7/30/2014 2:27 pm : link
I'm sure if they eat some of that they can get some B pieces. Not a top prospect, but at least fill up the system a little more.

Amaro had the worst deadline last year, he can't afford to do that again.
RE: Rollins is due $11M next year  
dep026 : 7/30/2014 2:28 pm : link
In comment 11787091 feelflows said:
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I'm sure if they eat some of that they can get some B pieces. Not a top prospect, but at least fill up the system a little more.

Amaro had the worst deadline last year, he can't afford to do that again.


Rollins is another 10-5 player. Wont waive it either.
say what???  
feelflows : 7/30/2014 2:31 pm : link
Jon Morosi ‏
Sources: Marlins and Red Sox are discussing a possible John Lackey trade.
dep  
feelflows : 7/30/2014 2:31 pm : link
I thought now that he "broke records" he would be willing to be traded.

I know the Cards have the long track record of turning failing vet  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2014 2:35 pm : link
pitchers around, but I don't see how any deal for Masterson could be called "an absolute steal". The guy has been incredibly bad this year and his fastball has significantly slowed, from 93-94 last season to 90-91 this year.
Lester tor Orioles  
dep026 : 7/30/2014 3:21 pm : link
getting very close.
Doubront  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 3:23 pm : link
a cub for a PTNL
dep  
feelflows : 7/30/2014 3:26 pm : link
that would be huge for the Os
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 3:26 pm : link
@Joelsherman1: I am told #Orioles do not have deal for Lester or anything close. Still working mainly on small things
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 3:28 pm : link
says not close
,  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 3:31 pm : link
Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle 14s

Source: Orioles don't have enough to give Red Sox. Sox wanted high end prospects they aren't willing to part with.Third team is involved
I can't fathom the Red Sox  
dpinzow : 7/30/2014 3:31 pm : link
trading Lester to a division rival with the capability to re-sign him (Baltimore will shell out the dollars if they feel they are close)
ex-Yankee  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 3:41 pm : link
Eric Chavez retires.
RE: I can't fathom the Red Sox  
Kulish29 : 7/30/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11787196 dpinzow said:
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trading Lester to a division rival with the capability to re-sign him (Baltimore will shell out the dollars if they feel they are close)


I doubt Peter Angelos would shell out 100+ million dollar contract for Lester.
That was a direct quote from Peter Gammons  
Kulish29 : 7/30/2014 4:33 pm : link
forgot to add that.
Orioles have bundy  
sinctybldh : 7/30/2014 4:37 pm : link
i am sure the red sox would be all over that.
Hunter  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 5:08 pm : link
Harvey done with the year with an arm issue. Orioles are pretty cursed.

Bonifacio is rumored to be bringing back a "big" price, Cubs rule
What happened to the Orioles Harvey?  
Shecky : 7/30/2014 5:34 pm : link
Theo is amazing (stating obvious) if he gets a major return for Bonifacio. Unreal.
RE: Orioles have bundy  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2014 5:44 pm : link
In comment 11787305 sinctybldh said:
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i am sure the red sox would be all over that.


Bundy has been terrible coming back from TJS
Sox prospects has a post  
Bill L : 7/30/2014 5:48 pm : link
Sort of quoting a source with the Sox saying Lackey has requested to be traded. Maybe all the noise got to him or maybe he sees a better way to ensure he gets extended.

Another posts says they heard lackey to Miami close to done. No idea of the return.
Surprised more teams  
Rflairr : 7/30/2014 6:02 pm : link
aren't after Colon. He's not making that much. And not only is he pitching great this season. But had 30 starts and 2.65 ERA last season for Oakland. If I was St Louis, I would have traded for him over Masterson. Same with the Giants. Colon over Peavy
Rflairr  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2014 6:12 pm : link
He struggled down the stretch last year and has been either lights out or pathetic this year and his ERA has not been great considering he is in the NL and playing home games at CitiField. I also think Masterson is a FA after this year so if he struggles it is easy to cut ties with him. While Colon's salary for next year is not out of line for an innings eater and the control is still there, not sure teams are willing to risk that he does not just tank next year
RE: Rflairr  
Deej : 7/30/2014 6:54 pm : link
Splits on Bartolo are interesting on him:

vs. NL: 3.14 ERA
vs. AL: 6.27 ERA
Home: 2.62 ERA
Road: 4.95 ERA

Velocity is down too, but just a touch. But then you get to his FIP of 3.41. Also dont underrate the fact that he is fat as a house, old as sin, and a "name" -- so if they trade doesnt workout, he's a very visible sign of failure. Add in the fact that you probably want him just to take some back of the order starts, not to start in the playoffs, and that he only has 6 career relief appearances. You start to understand why GMs arent lining up to sign him. I've said it on several threads -- I think his trade value comes in the offseason, when someone is looking for 185 regular season innings of competent, short term commitment pitching.
Dodgers  
Spock : 7/30/2014 7:27 pm : link
Will not trade their top 3 prospects ( Seager, Joc, Urias) so out of the running for any of those starting pitchers being shopped.

Expect to pick up leases SP and bullpen guy.
RE: Rflairr  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2014 9:20 pm : link
In comment 11787406 Mike in NY said:
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He struggled down the stretch last year and has been either lights out or pathetic this year and his ERA has not been great considering he is in the NL and playing home games at CitiField. I also think Masterson is a FA after this year so if he struggles it is easy to cut ties with him. While Colon's salary for next year is not out of line for an innings eater and the control is still there, not sure teams are willing to risk that he does not just tank next year


Grossly exaggerated. Colon had Cy Young votes last year in the American League. Colon certainly had a few blowups this year which inflated his ERA a little(3.88?) FIP 3.41?? but he's been good in 80% of starts and seems to be even better as the weather has heated up.
Colon  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2014 9:39 pm : link
has been basically the same pitcher he was the last 2 seasons in Oakland. He's fat (and I'm sure that scares teams in regard to 2015 more than a fitness buff) and yeah, maybe he's had more "really bad" starts this year than past years (not stating that as fact, too lazy to compare) but this idea he was amazing last year and crappy this year is silly.

I think the issue is that he almost certainly doesn't get 11 million next year on the open market at 42, it's just above what teams normally gamble on guys like this so it's likely a matter of the Mets saying "no way he's X good" and teams saying "we think he's worth 6 million next year, you guys pay the rest".
Good to know...  
Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 9:46 pm : link
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 3m

While AL East rivals the Blue Jays and Orioles engaged Boston in trade talks on Lester, the Yankees did not call the Red Sox
Ian Kennedy  
SethFromAstoria : 7/30/2014 9:56 pm : link
is a dog?....Nah. No sense whatsoever
Dan I think  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2014 9:59 pm : link
Sandy has said he's willing to chip in a couple million if it means getting a decent prospect back. I think that's well worth it. Personally I don't see the benefit in trading him right now. He'll almost certainly pass through waivers so why not trade him at the end of August? Teams will have even MORE of a need if they feel they are in it, and the mets play a shitload of division games in August. Maybe they climb over .500 and need him? Might be unlikely but its just better to keep him right now IMO.

The longer we keep him the more value he'll have to another team as his contract lowers.
RE: Dan I think  
spike : 7/30/2014 10:04 pm : link
In comment 11787614 ZGiants98 said:
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Sandy has said he's willing to chip in a couple million if it means getting a decent prospect back. I think that's well worth it. Personally I don't see the benefit in trading him right now. He'll almost certainly pass through waivers so why not trade him at the end of August? Teams will have even MORE of a need if they feel they are in it, and the mets play a shitload of division games in August. Maybe they climb over .500 and need him? Might be unlikely but its just better to keep him right now IMO.

The longer we keep him the more value he'll have to another team as his contract lowers.


True, some contending teams will lose players due to injuries and get desperate for an inning eater like Mega-Colon.
LOL  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2014 10:10 pm : link
I think this is real.

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Catherine Varitek ‏@CatherinVaritek 5m
Here's the deal.. This is my twitter handle NOT my husbands... therefor MY opinion is If they don't keep Lester, they seriously screw up 😬✌️
Yanks have checked in on Marlon Byrd...  
Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 10:24 pm : link
nothing imminent. They're said not to like paying for his next year.
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Dunedin81 : 7/30/2014 10:58 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 4m

#Astros Keuchel could be interesting name tomorrow. No pennant-race experience, but 2.97 ERA in AL and pitched CG against #Athletics today.
Still can't believe the Phillies  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2014 11:04 pm : link
essentially gave Marlon a 3 year deal.
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