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NJ.com: 10 observations about Ben McAdoo's offense

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/30/2014 11:16 am
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10 observations about Ben McAdoo's offense - ( New Window )
In regard to point #10 (TEs)...  
BMac : 7/30/2014 11:28 am : link
...I wonder just how high on the Giants' priorities a TE will be in next year's draft? Not being a draftnik, I don't have a clear picture of who may be available, but it does pique my curiosity.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 7/30/2014 11:29 am : link
Like what I've read. Looking forward to seeing it action this preseason.
Just a couple of points  
Semipro Lineman : 7/30/2014 11:41 am : link
First, last year the rbs in Green Bay caught 62 passes while the non-utilized in the passing game Giants rbs caught 57.

Second, the offensive line is not mismatched for a West Coast offense. Even if you believe that the guards won't be effective pulling for screen passes, the tackles are more than athletic enough to get out there regularly. Plus as we saw with Gilbride, a good coordinator can easily adjust the play calling and blocking assignments for run plays to take advantage of this personnel. If the power guards match up well against the other team's interior line then the linebackers have to stay closer to home to honor the inside run threat.
BMac  
Klaatu : 7/30/2014 11:43 am : link
I could be wrong, but I don't think the Giants will prioritize TE in next year's draft anymore than they did in this year's. It just never seems to be high on their list.
well, the Packers run McCarthy's offense  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2014 11:45 am : link
While McAdoo undoubtedly was influenced by McCarthy, I don't think you can assume that his scheme will be a carbon copy of what the Packers run.
I think the point of this offense  
djl8699 : 7/30/2014 11:53 am : link
is simply less incomplete passes. Incomplete passes=wasted plays. Turn those deep incompletions into shorter (at times it will probably be much shorter) completions and there's more opportunities to make something happen.

We won't see as many homerun attempts from Eli this year but I'm hoping it's still part of the offense.
7. It's Mismatched with the Offensive Line Talent  
Spyder : 7/30/2014 11:53 am : link
Walton and Mosely may not be perfect for pulling on screens, but I saw plenty of Schwartz highlights getting outside and blocking effectively for Charles on screens. He will be fine in this offense.
the point about the OL is a good one  
oipolloi : 7/30/2014 12:01 pm : link
but I think Richburg fits this offense perfectly. Schwartz seems like the only guy who is more of a run blocker.

I also think McAdoo has really asserted himself, and Coughlin seems willingly to give him a shot. I don't think anyone expected a rookie OC to be this forceful about implementing his scheme.
A lot of discussion in the media that Philip Rivers turned his game  
Bobby Epps : 7/30/2014 12:06 pm : link
around last year and maybe Eli can do it this year, for example #3 in the article.

Well, the Chargers revamped their OL with two new OTs: King Dunlop, who flopped with the Eagles, and D. J. Fluker, a rookie RT. Also, they added a terrific rookie WR, Keenan Allen.

So, the Giants have brought in new players for the OL this year in Schwartz, Walton and Mosley/Richburg/Jerry. They've also added Beckham at WR, who, when healthy, could be terrific .

But Rivers had Antonio Gates at TE to go to. No TE on the Giants has anywhere near Gates' ability.

So, even if Beatty plays as well as Dunlop did and the rest of the OL jells and Beckham is as good as Keenan Allen, the lack of a Gates-type TE is going to hamper Eli. Apart from Robinson, IMO as a group the other Giants TEs are the slowest TEs in the NFL.
RE: the point about the OL is a good one  
Semipro Lineman : 7/30/2014 12:08 pm : link
In comment 11786786 oipolloi said:
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but I think Richburg fits this offense perfectly. Schwartz seems like the only guy who is more of a run blocker.


No it's not a good one. Both the scheme and the players mentioned are versitile. We don't really have a clear idea of the capabilities of either one so it is a bit early to say certain players can't do certain things or that certian things will be required of them
One big difference between the Packers and Giants offenses  
Exit 172 : 7/30/2014 12:08 pm : link
is that Rodgers moves like Mikhail Baryshnikov, while Eli moves like Herman Munster.
Semipro: Good points re #7.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/30/2014 12:10 pm : link
The only position where the line's athleticism appears sub-par is LG, and that's only because the Giants have chosen to put their best RG there. Center is hard to assess, with Walton coming back from the long layoff. If he really isn't a good fit, the solution is already in the pipeline with Richburg.

I expect to see Beatty and Pugh in space a lot. Look how happy Pugh is in the new offense:
RE: BMac  
BMac : 7/30/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11786751 Klaatu said:
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the Giants will prioritize TE in next year's draft anymore than they did in this year's. It just never seems to be high on their list.


You're likely correct, but if this new offense does make more varied use of the TE (remains to be seen), that assumption may change. To be clear, I don't expect a first-round TE, but 2nd or 3rd round could be a distinct possibility depending on the talent available.
I have said this before but i will say it again  
robbieballs2003 : 7/30/2014 12:47 pm : link
Watching Richburg pull really reminded me of Kevin Mawae and no other center in recent memory has reminded me of him. I'm not saying Richburg is the only center that can do that since Mawae just that I haven't noticed any other center.
BMac  
Klaatu : 7/30/2014 12:53 pm : link
I don't know for sure, of course, but I get the feeling that if the Giants didn't draft Weston Richburg, they might very well have drafted Troy Niklas or Jace Amaro. Robbieballs and I were going back and forth on this just prior to pick #43.

As for next year...I'll be keeping an eye on Ben Koyack, another Notre Dame kid; Ohio State's Jeff Heuerman; USC's Randall Telfer; Florida's Jake McGee (transfer from UVA); Oklahoma's Blake Bell (former QB). Five good prospects who could go in the premium rounds..
If this article doesn't excite you, nothing will  
ANGPASS : 7/30/2014 12:55 pm : link
To the point of the passing attack. The objective of this offense is to get the ball to the play makers and let them do the dirty work. the quick passes and running game will draw more defenders close to the line and a salivating eli manning will hit them with bombs.

I like that the RBs are running routes and TEs being all over the place. it will be less predictable of an offense. i know our TEs are a weak point, but as long as they can just remember their assignments, it will help them. i am not too worried about the TE position. not now anyway. we have a bunch of no names as tight ends. i think this is a good thing. they will get less attention in the beginning and eli will find them in those important 3rd downs like he did will boss and ballard. Can't wait for sunday.
We will all love the new offense...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/30/2014 1:06 pm : link
...until Eli bounces a couple of passes off the helmet of a slanting receiver, into the hands of a delighted DB.

Seriously, though, it should be fun to watch.
Has his offense been running rub routes?  
SwirlingEddie : 7/30/2014 1:07 pm : link
Rub routes have been all the rage the last couple of seasons. Have we seen this much in Giants camp and, if so, how has the D been handling it?
BBB  
Mark from Jersey : 7/30/2014 1:53 pm : link
I kind of agree. People will love it until 3 straight 3 and outs with a TOP under 2 minutes for the quarter.
RE: BMac  
BMac : 7/30/2014 1:54 pm : link
In comment 11786905 Klaatu said:
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I don't know for sure, of course, but I get the feeling that if the Giants didn't draft Weston Richburg, they might very well have drafted Troy Niklas or Jace Amaro. Robbieballs and I were going back and forth on this just prior to pick #43.

As for next year...I'll be keeping an eye on Ben Koyack, another Notre Dame kid; Ohio State's Jeff Heuerman; USC's Randall Telfer; Florida's Jake McGee (transfer from UVA); Oklahoma's Blake Bell (former QB). Five good prospects who could go in the premium rounds..


Thanks for the tips on prospects. I'll try to watch some of them.
RE: BBB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/30/2014 1:55 pm : link
In comment 11786995 Mark from Jersey said:
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I kind of agree. People will love it until 3 straight 3 and outs with a TOP under 2 minutes for the quarter.


We've seen that with the previous offense too.
Jake McGee is a solid receiver and an awful blocker  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2014 2:01 pm : link
It'll be interesting to see what he does playing for a decent OC instead of Steve fucking Fairchild.
RE: A lot of discussion in the media that Philip Rivers turned his game  
HomerJones45 : 7/30/2014 2:06 pm : link
In comment 11786789 Bobby Epps said:
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around last year and maybe Eli can do it this year, for example #3 in the article.

Well, the Chargers revamped their OL with two new OTs: King Dunlop, who flopped with the Eagles, and D. J. Fluker, a rookie RT. Also, they added a terrific rookie WR, Keenan Allen.

So, the Giants have brought in new players for the OL this year in Schwartz, Walton and Mosley/Richburg/Jerry. They've also added Beckham at WR, who, when healthy, could be terrific .

But Rivers had Antonio Gates at TE to go to. No TE on the Giants has anywhere near Gates' ability.

So, even if Beatty plays as well as Dunlop did and the rest of the OL jells and Beckham is as good as Keenan Allen, the lack of a Gates-type TE is going to hamper Eli. Apart from Robinson, IMO as a group the other Giants TEs are the slowest TEs in the NFL.
Actually, the Chargers dumped their entire receiving corp from the year prior and added that Woodhead guy who is pretty good and caught 76 passes good for 6 td's.
Regarding the fact that the  
Semipro Lineman : 7/30/2014 2:46 pm : link
Giants don't have a Gates type TE for Eli. Point blank, only three Tight Ends in the league who caught more passes than Gates. A lot of teams don't have that type of threat at TE and were able to get by. The Colts top pass catching TE had 52 catches while the super horrible Brandon Myers had 47. Fix the other elements of the offense and Eli will be fine. If the fixes don't work, then it won't matter who is at TE
Florida  
BigBlueCane : 7/30/2014 2:58 pm : link
fired their former OC after one year and brought in the current guy. I wouldn't expect much from MGee since Muskrat's philosophy is run on 3 downs if at all possible.
interesting  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2014 3:04 pm : link
No idea why McGee would go to Florida, then. He can't block to save his life, which was the motivation for his departure. Bill Lazor didn't care when he was OC. Fairchild and Tom O'Brien did care, so they tried to make him an H-back. McGee didn't like it (and just hates O'B anyway) so he transferred.
Have to agree with Semi Pro.  
section125 : 7/30/2014 3:16 pm : link
I think this line can pull. I thought that JD Walton was quick and we believe that that is exactly what Richburg does.
Mr. Ranaan  
Joey in VA : 7/30/2014 3:17 pm : link
Is really coming on strong with the football analysis, it's good to see.
hmmm  
jnoble : 7/30/2014 3:33 pm : link
Too bad we didn't run this offense when Shockey was here in his prime
Semipro: I was just trying to analyze why Rivers had such a  
Bobby Epps : 7/30/2014 3:51 pm : link
come-back year. With all the changes on the Chargers OL and at WR, it helped him a lot that Gates was at TE.

I hope Eli has the best year of his career and we win the SB. But, if Beckham is hobbled because of his hamstring and Cruz is doubled, then Eli has only Randle to throw to because we don't have a TE who has stepped forward.

Big difference between Rivers' offensive weapons and Eli's at this point.
RE: We will all love the new offense...  
River Mike : 7/30/2014 3:54 pm : link
In comment 11786936 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...until Eli bounces a couple of passes off the helmet of a slanting receiver, into the hands of a delighted DB.

Seriously, though, it should be fun to watch.


I'm really optimistic, but this is a concern. So far his camp is reason for optimism
Hey  
BIG FRED : 7/30/2014 4:39 pm : link
no more yelling about the play clock being @ 1 and having to use a timeout
RE: Semipro: I was just trying to analyze why Rivers had such a  
Semipro Lineman : 7/30/2014 4:46 pm : link
In comment 11787224 Bobby Epps said:
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come-back year. With all the changes on the Chargers OL and at WR, it helped him a lot that Gates was at TE.

I hope Eli has the best year of his career and we win the SB. But, if Beckham is hobbled because of his hamstring and Cruz is doubled, then Eli has only Randle to throw to because we don't have a TE who has stepped forward.

Big difference between Rivers' offensive weapons and Eli's at this point.


I understand what you are saying. But the Giants will likely also have a better running game to reply thanks to a improved line and backfield. Even if everything you described happens then Jerrigan gets more chances to prove himself so all will not be lost. Just a lot more difficult if the above happens which is a distinction which sometimes gets lost on the other BBI faithful posters
Doesn't matter what offense we are running  
RDJR : 7/30/2014 6:37 pm : link
if we can't block. Need to be convinced that we can before I get excited about the offense.
Use the best blocking  
OldPolack : 7/30/2014 7:56 pm : link
tight end and run smash mouth football.
It appears that there are some talented running backs on the team.
The hurry up offense will prevent the defense from substituting players.
Love the assumptions about the West Coast Offense we are running  
Blue Blood : 7/30/2014 8:00 pm : link
when we havent even SEEN the offense we are running yet..
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