Because this addresses the "real" issues at play in the world today regarding Israel and Palestine...Israel does a phenomenal job winning the propaganda war, but I'm pretty sure even they would scoff at this amateur attempt at distraction.
I think it could have been said a lot better actually
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
Or, you can look one up yourself and link it in a new thread. This way, others who share your perspective can comment there.
hwo propalestinian protests look in England, but the ones in NY at least are virtually always peaceful and focused specifically on Israel rather then 'Jews.' Occasionally some proIsraeli clowns will drive by honking their horns and trying to incite the crowd but for the most part despite the high emotions the crowd stays focused on the message. Nontheless the article is a good reminder, especially if that's an issue in England.
I made it through my tour of the Marais district in Paris on Tuesday
this Jewish section of Paris had had trouble the week before with pro-Palestinian crowd welding baseball bats. It's been quiet since but there is an expanded and visible police presence and also group of Jews hanging around to watch for trouble. Our tour guide said she removed her Star of David last week. Additionally, business is suffering in the district as many tourists are staying away.
are yet another example of hatred by people who are absolutely convinced they are right and have the clear moral high ground. If only people would consider that their hatred negates whatever moral high ground they think they have. Its far to easy to slip into the mindset that your hatred is justified because the "others" are bad and you are good.
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
I dont have that article but as I agree with you 100% Id love to read it.
Since these guys are full of hate, do you think they will accept being told what to do by their antagonists? They're mad and want to be provacative, so this sort of gives them a blueprint, no?
Again, nice piece, but it was written for the choir.
cousins in britain and france, vestiges of our family that survived the holocaust (many of my french cousins/great aunts/uncles did not)....and they have confirmed that the level of intimidation and fear by the significant arab/islamic diaspora in those countries is reaching scary proportions and that the events listed in that article are indeed happening (and i've seen those nazi signs/swastikas on tv at rallies here in toronto and i've had to restrain myself from drop kicking my tv).
Because this addresses the "real" issues at play in the world today regarding Israel and Palestine...Israel does a phenomenal job winning the propaganda war, but I'm pretty sure even they would scoff at this amateur attempt at distraction.
so if i understand you correctly, you think random acts of violence against european jews and racist/antisemitic taunts are a distraction?
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
That's a lovely thought but a bit harder to do in real life when virtually every Muslim in the Middle Eastt (and many many elsewhere) go into riotous celebrations every time a Islamic extremist commits a suicide bombing or kidnaps and kills a few Israelis or flies a plane into a building. It's a bit harder to do when you don't hear a peep of protest from all those Muslims who supposedly abhore all the violence perpetrated by those Islamic extremists. Makes you wonder just how you distinguish between them all.
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
That's a lovely thought but a bit harder to do in real life when virtually every Muslim in the Middle Eastt (and many many elsewhere) go into riotous celebrations every time a Islamic extremist commits a suicide bombing or kidnaps and kills a few Israelis or flies a plane into a building. It's a bit harder to do when you don't hear a peep of protest from all those Muslims who supposedly abhore all the violence perpetrated by those Islamic extremists. Makes you wonder just how you distinguish between them all.
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
I think I agree with this.
While I absolutely, 100% support Israel in this endeavor, when talking about innocent Jews and innocent Muslims, the Muslims have faced far, far more unwarranted scrutiny than the Jews. It's not even remotely close.
a) they aren't and it's not even close
b) the entire goal of Hamas aside from killing and beheading Jews is to win a propaganda war because they can't win a real one
c) It's utterly impossible for Israel to win a propaganda war because they are firstly Jews, and secondly far more powerful than their attackers. They can't even seem to get people to use common sense by asking what they would do if provoked and attacked.
All of this fascinates and frustrates me so much because while nothing is black and white, I find it completely amazing that there is literally one side on this fight that shouts from the rooftops that they would perform a genocidal removal of all Jews from the world, and then another side that shows restraint by not turning Gaza into a smooth asphalt parking lot. Yet who do the citizens of the world support? That's right, Islamic Fascists with open intentions of killing all Jews. Or did I miss something in the Hamas charter than states otherwise.
Put even more simply, there is only one side in this argument that refuses to live with the other, and it ain't Israel. There is literally zero benefit for Israel to get into these conflicts and quite frankly their sliver of land on the map is in the worst possible location for their survival. I wish for even one second all of the supporters of Hamas would switch the situations around. Instead of billions of Muslims, imagine a mass of billions of Jews and a sliver of Muslims defending themselves. I wonder then who the world would support. Well no not really...it wouldn't be the Jews.
the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Good point. There's lots of Muslims being attacked around the world at Pro-Israel rallies.
the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Ok so to play devil's advocate here, where in the world do Muslims have a problem living? France? England? Southeast Asia? The Mid East? Africa? Where exactly is this great struggle for safety and comfort?
In addition, there are billions of Muslims in the world, and yet so often, the worst elements of that religion rise to the top and take over nations or start militias or factions or terrorist groups....where are these innocent Muslims when it comes to stepping to the forefront and making these extremists irrelevant? Where are they when their own leaders brutalize and rape and murder and pillage their own people in places like Syria or Iraq or Iran etc etc etc etc...? Why are so many people of good moral fabric incapable of being the representatives for their religion by turning these fascist extremist radicals into exactly that, instead of keeping quiet and then suddenly shouting and screaming when Israel responds to rockets flying past their living rooms?
Sorry but someone needs to give me a real explanation of this or else it sounds like bullshit to me.
should read the academic scholarship, rather than read and share opinion pieces on football websites. Of course most people aren't interested in understanding the truth, just reaffirming their preexisting beliefs.
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
That's a lovely thought but a bit harder to do in real life when virtually every Muslim in the Middle Eastt (and many many elsewhere) go into riotous celebrations every time a Islamic extremist commits a suicide bombing or kidnaps and kills a few Israelis or flies a plane into a building. It's a bit harder to do when you don't hear a peep of protest from all those Muslims who supposedly abhore all the violence perpetrated by those Islamic extremists. Makes you wonder just how you distinguish between them all.
Wow. This is terrible. Virtually every Muslim? Lol.
can you elaborate what you mean by that? Do you mean small pockets of religion whackjobs or is "citizens of the world" (COTW) an official outfit I'm not aware of. Like the Freemasons?
can you elaborate what you mean by that? Do you mean small pockets of religion whackjobs or is "citizens of the world" (COTW) an official outfit I'm not aware of. Like the Freemasons?
Comin off a little paranoid...
I don't know...the masses who feel the urge to come out in public to proclaim their support for Hamas and oppose the "Zionists" for being stronger militarily?
and I do have a few concerns about the United States relationship with Israel, but Palestine? Yeah sorry dudes, way too many of you dancing & cheering in the streets on September 11, 2001. Men, women & children.
New York City is where cultures, religions & races from all over the world join and collectively make things work. Cheering for it's destruction tells me more than enough about Palestine's culture. You do not have my sympathies.
so indeed the small pockets explicitly supporting Hamas. I'm glad you agree you wildly overstated it in hopes of bolstering your point.
I'd agree myself that they're lamentable.
I am happy to debate every single detail of this issue until I am blue in the face.
In regards to my comment, there is a leadership group in place for Palestinian people, and they are aggressors in a pseudo-war that they cannot win on the battlefield. When people come out to support the Palestinians, they can't be supporting the innocent citizens if they protest Israel in the process. Israel does very little to harm the people compared to Hamas and their history of criminal leadership. This instance is just another example of Hamas putting "their" people in harms way to suit their agenda. While they steal money, sit in bunkers and own villas on the French countryside.
the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Ok so to play devil's advocate here, where in the world do Muslims have a problem living? France? England? Southeast Asia? The Mid East? Africa? Where exactly is this great struggle for safety and comfort?
In addition, there are billions of Muslims in the world, and yet so often, the worst elements of that religion rise to the top and take over nations or start militias or factions or terrorist groups....where are these innocent Muslims when it comes to stepping to the forefront and making these extremists irrelevant? Where are they when their own leaders brutalize and rape and murder and pillage their own people in places like Syria or Iraq or Iran etc etc etc etc...? Why are so many people of good moral fabric incapable of being the representatives for their religion by turning these fascist extremist radicals into exactly that, instead of keeping quiet and then suddenly shouting and screaming when Israel responds to rockets flying past their living rooms?
Sorry but someone needs to give me a real explanation of this or else it sounds like bullshit to me.
To answer your first question, Iraq was destroyed while searching for the mysterious WMD, dissolved the government and a state of lawlessness was created, Afghanistan was destroyed for 'harboring terrorists,' PalestiniaNs are occupied and apartheid condition exist along with a mess of other things.
You mentioned Syria... they are in a current state of civil war and uprising against their corrupt government and the struggle has become brutal and bloody but they persist. You mentioned Iraq, as mentioned earlier that country was bombed, oil stolen and still being siphoned out till this day... they're going to be crawling before they can walk again for a very long time. Egypt the people stood as you suggest and demanded their military rule end and a democracy be put in place. That unfortunately took a huge step back with Sisi organizing a coup after democratic elections were finally established but it's a work in progress.
Here in America and around the world Muslims speak out and condemn terrorism, the media doesn't show that though because it's boring news.
For the posters talking about Palestinians winning the 'propaganda' wAr, propaganda would insinuate that they're not really being killed and bombed and taking on massive innocent casualties while Israel continues to wage attack in one of the most densely populated places on earth by land sea and air. I can assure you the Palestinians would much rather not be bombed/occupied then to have all this supposed 'propaganda' in their support.
You're absolutely right that the corollary of this is similarly untrue, that the conflation of Islam and fundamentalism is also unfair. But you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too, attributing an awful lot of what is wrong with the ME to the United States. Iraq was not an idyll before we went in, it was a brutal dictatorship. Syria spiraled out of control because of what we didn't do rather than what we did.
And from North Africa to Central Asia countries, whether dictatorships or theocracies or semi-democracies, have destroyed Jewish communities and Christian as well for at least as long as Israel has been a country. A demonstration gone awry is not attributable to a religion or its present spiritual leadership, but the persecution of hundreds of independent minority religious communities across ethnic, linguistic and sectarian boundaries...at a certain point it's not enough to blame a handful of vandals and thugs.
However my general thought is this. Israel will always lose the propaganda war to "neutral" observers in most of the world but it is better to be hated and alive than murdered and mourned as happened back in the 40s.
To answer your first question, Iraq was destroyed while searching for the mysterious WMD, dissolved the government and a state of lawlessness was created, Afghanistan was destroyed for 'harboring terrorists,' PalestiniaNs are occupied and apartheid condition exist along with a mess of other things.
You mentioned Syria... they are in a current state of civil war and uprising against their corrupt government and the struggle has become brutal and bloody but they persist. You mentioned Iraq, as mentioned earlier that country was bombed, oil stolen and still being siphoned out till this day... they're going to be crawling before they can walk again for a very long time. Egypt the people stood as you suggest and demanded their military rule end and a democracy be put in place. That unfortunately took a huge step back with Sisi organizing a coup after democratic elections were finally established but it's a work in progress.
Here in America and around the world Muslims speak out and condemn terrorism, the media doesn't show that though because it's boring news.
For the posters talking about Palestinians winning the 'propaganda' wAr, propaganda would insinuate that they're not really being killed and bombed and taking on massive innocent casualties while Israel continues to wage attack in one of the most densely populated places on earth by land sea and air. I can assure you the Palestinians would much rather not be bombed/occupied then to have all this supposed 'propaganda' in their support.
- Iraq was a farce. However how were those Iraqis living under Saddam? Where was Muslim leadership to assist in removal of brutal dictator who treated his own people like roaches?
- How are the Palestinians occupied? Beyond Jews living in Israel?
- I'm not talking about going on CNN and saying its rude that Hamas is awful for it's people. I am talking about action and legitimate leadership. A role in moving this religion into the 21st century alongside the rest of society. A condemnation through legitimate means, not little speeches or rhetoric in a 5 minute tv spot.
- Israel continues to respond to a continued aggression from Hamas. Hamas stops firing shit into their country, they stop responding. Only one side has refused a ceasefire. Multiple attempts at a ceasefire. Even Egypt has thrown their hands up and put blame on the side that started and continues this war. If you are concerned about the population density of the areas where Israel will respond to attacks, they why does't Hamas see this as a problem? Why doesn't Hamas understand that this has happened over and over and over and over again throughout the last 60 years and shooting rockets into people's backyards and schools, without a legitimate target, is not going to accomplish anything besides causing a much stronger enemy to respond and respond in a strong way?
- Do you recognize the restraint that Israel exhibits by not blowing Gaza off the map? Do you realize what COULD be done to the regular people in these territories if Israel let loose with their real might? And do you realize that that is exactly what would happen to Israel if Hamas and the rest of that region had the weaponry to do so? There is no shyness in proclaiming that by the enemies of Israel.
Palestinians would prefer not be on the receiving end
Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
I think I agree with this.
While I absolutely, 100% support Israel in this endeavor, when talking about innocent Jews and innocent Muslims, the Muslims have faced far, far more unwarranted scrutiny than the Jews. It's not even remotely close.
Yeah- But only if you're talking about within the United States and since 9/11. When you're talking world wide- I don't think it is all that close.
But really- what difference does it make? "My unwarranted scrutiny is worse than yours!" "I've been wronged more than you have so shut up!"
It's just silly dick measuring. Any unwarranted scrutiny/ criticism/racism or what have you is bad and should be highlighted and dispelled regardless of what side anyone is on.
the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Good point. There's lots of Muslims being attacked around the world at Pro-Israel rallies.
Not to mention all of those Christian fanatics running amok in the Middle East and elsewhere, burning down mosques, forcing Muslims to convert or die, kidnapping, killing. Someone should do something!
Or, you can look one up yourself and link it in a new thread. This way, others who share your perspective can comment there.
Humbly suggesting that swastikas are a poor fashion accession isn't especially pompous.
I dont have that article but as I agree with you 100% Id love to read it.
Again, nice piece, but it was written for the choir.
so if i understand you correctly, you think random acts of violence against european jews and racist/antisemitic taunts are a distraction?
That's a lovely thought but a bit harder to do in real life when virtually every Muslim in the Middle Eastt (and many many elsewhere) go into riotous celebrations every time a Islamic extremist commits a suicide bombing or kidnaps and kills a few Israelis or flies a plane into a building. It's a bit harder to do when you don't hear a peep of protest from all those Muslims who supposedly abhore all the violence perpetrated by those Islamic extremists. Makes you wonder just how you distinguish between them all.
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Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
That's a lovely thought but a bit harder to do in real life when virtually every Muslim in the Middle Eastt (and many many elsewhere) go into riotous celebrations every time a Islamic extremist commits a suicide bombing or kidnaps and kills a few Israelis or flies a plane into a building. It's a bit harder to do when you don't hear a peep of protest from all those Muslims who supposedly abhore all the violence perpetrated by those Islamic extremists. Makes you wonder just how you distinguish between them all.
Absolutely wrong. How do you know that??
I think I agree with this.
While I absolutely, 100% support Israel in this endeavor, when talking about innocent Jews and innocent Muslims, the Muslims have faced far, far more unwarranted scrutiny than the Jews. It's not even remotely close.
a) they aren't and it's not even close
b) the entire goal of Hamas aside from killing and beheading Jews is to win a propaganda war because they can't win a real one
c) It's utterly impossible for Israel to win a propaganda war because they are firstly Jews, and secondly far more powerful than their attackers. They can't even seem to get people to use common sense by asking what they would do if provoked and attacked.
All of this fascinates and frustrates me so much because while nothing is black and white, I find it completely amazing that there is literally one side on this fight that shouts from the rooftops that they would perform a genocidal removal of all Jews from the world, and then another side that shows restraint by not turning Gaza into a smooth asphalt parking lot. Yet who do the citizens of the world support? That's right, Islamic Fascists with open intentions of killing all Jews. Or did I miss something in the Hamas charter than states otherwise.
Put even more simply, there is only one side in this argument that refuses to live with the other, and it ain't Israel. There is literally zero benefit for Israel to get into these conflicts and quite frankly their sliver of land on the map is in the worst possible location for their survival. I wish for even one second all of the supporters of Hamas would switch the situations around. Instead of billions of Muslims, imagine a mass of billions of Jews and a sliver of Muslims defending themselves. I wonder then who the world would support. Well no not really...it wouldn't be the Jews.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Good point. There's lots of Muslims being attacked around the world at Pro-Israel rallies.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Ok so to play devil's advocate here, where in the world do Muslims have a problem living? France? England? Southeast Asia? The Mid East? Africa? Where exactly is this great struggle for safety and comfort?
In addition, there are billions of Muslims in the world, and yet so often, the worst elements of that religion rise to the top and take over nations or start militias or factions or terrorist groups....where are these innocent Muslims when it comes to stepping to the forefront and making these extremists irrelevant? Where are they when their own leaders brutalize and rape and murder and pillage their own people in places like Syria or Iraq or Iran etc etc etc etc...? Why are so many people of good moral fabric incapable of being the representatives for their religion by turning these fascist extremist radicals into exactly that, instead of keeping quiet and then suddenly shouting and screaming when Israel responds to rockets flying past their living rooms?
Sorry but someone needs to give me a real explanation of this or else it sounds like bullshit to me.
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Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
That's a lovely thought but a bit harder to do in real life when virtually every Muslim in the Middle Eastt (and many many elsewhere) go into riotous celebrations every time a Islamic extremist commits a suicide bombing or kidnaps and kills a few Israelis or flies a plane into a building. It's a bit harder to do when you don't hear a peep of protest from all those Muslims who supposedly abhore all the violence perpetrated by those Islamic extremists. Makes you wonder just how you distinguish between them all.
Wow. This is terrible. Virtually every Muslim? Lol.
Comin off a little paranoid...
Comin off a little paranoid...
I don't know...the masses who feel the urge to come out in public to proclaim their support for Hamas and oppose the "Zionists" for being stronger militarily?
I'd agree myself that they're lamentable.
New York City is where cultures, religions & races from all over the world join and collectively make things work. Cheering for it's destruction tells me more than enough about Palestine's culture. You do not have my sympathies.
I'd agree myself that they're lamentable.
I am happy to debate every single detail of this issue until I am blue in the face.
In regards to my comment, there is a leadership group in place for Palestinian people, and they are aggressors in a pseudo-war that they cannot win on the battlefield. When people come out to support the Palestinians, they can't be supporting the innocent citizens if they protest Israel in the process. Israel does very little to harm the people compared to Hamas and their history of criminal leadership. This instance is just another example of Hamas putting "their" people in harms way to suit their agenda. While they steal money, sit in bunkers and own villas on the French countryside.
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the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Ok so to play devil's advocate here, where in the world do Muslims have a problem living? France? England? Southeast Asia? The Mid East? Africa? Where exactly is this great struggle for safety and comfort?
In addition, there are billions of Muslims in the world, and yet so often, the worst elements of that religion rise to the top and take over nations or start militias or factions or terrorist groups....where are these innocent Muslims when it comes to stepping to the forefront and making these extremists irrelevant? Where are they when their own leaders brutalize and rape and murder and pillage their own people in places like Syria or Iraq or Iran etc etc etc etc...? Why are so many people of good moral fabric incapable of being the representatives for their religion by turning these fascist extremist radicals into exactly that, instead of keeping quiet and then suddenly shouting and screaming when Israel responds to rockets flying past their living rooms?
Sorry but someone needs to give me a real explanation of this or else it sounds like bullshit to me.
To answer your first question, Iraq was destroyed while searching for the mysterious WMD, dissolved the government and a state of lawlessness was created, Afghanistan was destroyed for 'harboring terrorists,' PalestiniaNs are occupied and apartheid condition exist along with a mess of other things.
You mentioned Syria... they are in a current state of civil war and uprising against their corrupt government and the struggle has become brutal and bloody but they persist. You mentioned Iraq, as mentioned earlier that country was bombed, oil stolen and still being siphoned out till this day... they're going to be crawling before they can walk again for a very long time. Egypt the people stood as you suggest and demanded their military rule end and a democracy be put in place. That unfortunately took a huge step back with Sisi organizing a coup after democratic elections were finally established but it's a work in progress.
Here in America and around the world Muslims speak out and condemn terrorism, the media doesn't show that though because it's boring news.
For the posters talking about Palestinians winning the 'propaganda' wAr, propaganda would insinuate that they're not really being killed and bombed and taking on massive innocent casualties while Israel continues to wage attack in one of the most densely populated places on earth by land sea and air. I can assure you the Palestinians would much rather not be bombed/occupied then to have all this supposed 'propaganda' in their support.
They shouldnt worry about the Jews and Christians as much as they should worry about different charters within their own religion.
And from North Africa to Central Asia countries, whether dictatorships or theocracies or semi-democracies, have destroyed Jewish communities and Christian as well for at least as long as Israel has been a country. A demonstration gone awry is not attributable to a religion or its present spiritual leadership, but the persecution of hundreds of independent minority religious communities across ethnic, linguistic and sectarian boundaries...at a certain point it's not enough to blame a handful of vandals and thugs.
To answer your first question, Iraq was destroyed while searching for the mysterious WMD, dissolved the government and a state of lawlessness was created, Afghanistan was destroyed for 'harboring terrorists,' PalestiniaNs are occupied and apartheid condition exist along with a mess of other things.
You mentioned Syria... they are in a current state of civil war and uprising against their corrupt government and the struggle has become brutal and bloody but they persist. You mentioned Iraq, as mentioned earlier that country was bombed, oil stolen and still being siphoned out till this day... they're going to be crawling before they can walk again for a very long time. Egypt the people stood as you suggest and demanded their military rule end and a democracy be put in place. That unfortunately took a huge step back with Sisi organizing a coup after democratic elections were finally established but it's a work in progress.
Here in America and around the world Muslims speak out and condemn terrorism, the media doesn't show that though because it's boring news.
For the posters talking about Palestinians winning the 'propaganda' wAr, propaganda would insinuate that they're not really being killed and bombed and taking on massive innocent casualties while Israel continues to wage attack in one of the most densely populated places on earth by land sea and air. I can assure you the Palestinians would much rather not be bombed/occupied then to have all this supposed 'propaganda' in their support.
- Iraq was a farce. However how were those Iraqis living under Saddam? Where was Muslim leadership to assist in removal of brutal dictator who treated his own people like roaches?
- How are the Palestinians occupied? Beyond Jews living in Israel?
- I'm not talking about going on CNN and saying its rude that Hamas is awful for it's people. I am talking about action and legitimate leadership. A role in moving this religion into the 21st century alongside the rest of society. A condemnation through legitimate means, not little speeches or rhetoric in a 5 minute tv spot.
- Israel continues to respond to a continued aggression from Hamas. Hamas stops firing shit into their country, they stop responding. Only one side has refused a ceasefire. Multiple attempts at a ceasefire. Even Egypt has thrown their hands up and put blame on the side that started and continues this war. If you are concerned about the population density of the areas where Israel will respond to attacks, they why does't Hamas see this as a problem? Why doesn't Hamas understand that this has happened over and over and over and over again throughout the last 60 years and shooting rockets into people's backyards and schools, without a legitimate target, is not going to accomplish anything besides causing a much stronger enemy to respond and respond in a strong way?
- Do you recognize the restraint that Israel exhibits by not blowing Gaza off the map? Do you realize what COULD be done to the regular people in these territories if Israel let loose with their real might? And do you realize that that is exactly what would happen to Israel if Hamas and the rest of that region had the weaponry to do so? There is no shyness in proclaiming that by the enemies of Israel.
Don't forget pre-invasion Iraq, that great wellspring of freedom, prosperity and tolerance.
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Now link the similar article that distinguishes between Muslims and Islamic fundamentalists from one of the numerous times that some atrocity has occurred and Muslims everywhere were given a bad reputation due to it.
I think I agree with this.
While I absolutely, 100% support Israel in this endeavor, when talking about innocent Jews and innocent Muslims, the Muslims have faced far, far more unwarranted scrutiny than the Jews. It's not even remotely close.
Yeah- But only if you're talking about within the United States and since 9/11. When you're talking world wide- I don't think it is all that close.
But really- what difference does it make? "My unwarranted scrutiny is worse than yours!" "I've been wronged more than you have so shut up!"
It's just silly dick measuring. Any unwarranted scrutiny/ criticism/racism or what have you is bad and should be highlighted and dispelled regardless of what side anyone is on.
IMO.
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the word "innocent" muslims and am solely referring to the scrutiny they can receive from ignorant people, being associated with terrorism based on their religion.
Again.. all of Hamas deserves anything that happens to them and Israel has every right to be defending itself. I'm simply saying that the innocent Muslims around the world have a far harder time than the Jews.
Good point. There's lots of Muslims being attacked around the world at Pro-Israel rallies.
Not to mention all of those Christian fanatics running amok in the Middle East and elsewhere, burning down mosques, forcing Muslims to convert or die, kidnapping, killing. Someone should do something!