NFT: MLB Deadline Day Thread

he has 3 home runs in the last 2 games. Plus they need that right hand bat in the OF. Everyone else is a lefty including Joc in the minors.

wouldn't they be smart to trade him while he is hot?

considering social media. Quietest deadline in a long time

And please god... no trading decent prospects for average guys like Willingham/Ludwick/someone similar. I hope they don't go for the home run move, but if you're gonna go for it then go for it. Don't do some half assed scrub shit.

Byrd must have some weird crystal ball thing going on, how in the world did he only have 4 teams to add to his no-trade and 2 of them end up being the most interested in his services this year?

Has changed in terms of player movement. The value is in cost controlled young talent.

Plus teams are afraid to trade potential anymore.

Raise your hand if you had deGrom vs. Hahn as your best NL rookie starters before the season lol #mets

In comment 11787767 DanMetroMan said:

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Byrd must have some weird crystal ball thing going on, how in the world did he only have 4 teams to add to his no-trade and 2 of them end up being the most interested in his services this year?

Byrd negotiated a helluva deal with the Phillies!

Wonder if Alderson can giveaway CY to the Royals. They been looking for low level RH power bats with no luck. Trade CY to the Royals, pick up most of his salary. In return Mets get some IFA slot money. Essentially a risk free, $$ free RH power bat for the royals. Mets get another IFA. And Mets fans celebrate moving on from CY.

with the exception of Dan Uggla who has less trade value that is currently on a Major League roster that has less trade value than CY? I'd like to know who that might be?

I actually thought Chris Young was a reasonable gamble (though the "promise" was ridiculous since he got fair market salary) but I don't think anyone would even want to tie up a roster spot on Chris Young at this point. If cut I think he ends up with a minor league deal with someone, he's that bad.

Young is now the lowest :)
That's why mets pay his salary. Same as releasing him, get some small slot money in return = bag of balls. Continues to suck as a Royal, the cut him at a cost of zero.
Just trying to be creative. Something this FO hasn't been doing. Signing an IFA for $25k is literally a lottery ticket that most likely amounts to nothing for the Mets. The 1 in a 1,000 chance he is a back of the bullpen arm or 5th Of in 8 years? Why not try? And appease your fan base that you are so worried about??

I agreed at the time, I didn't mind the risk. What I'd did mind was the insisting on sticking with him as long as they did (aka the promis). If he isn't worth the roster spot to any other team in the league, what's that saying about our roster and decision making. Carrying a dozen OFs, two of which are CY and Abreu...

promise made no sense. He got 7.5 million, it's not like he signed a below market deal to join the Mets. Nobody was thinking "woah what a team friendly deal" when the Mets landed him.

Mike morse instead.

wanted a guy who could play CF, the FO isn't/wasn't a believer in Lagares bat.

Marlins pretending to go after expensive pitchers, while likely targeting more realistic options. If we pick up some of a Colons salary, go after an excess OF of theirs in Marisnick.

I'd even consider Gee for Marisnick and Nicolino.

The thing that bothered me about the FO lack of faith in Legares was what they didn't have faith in. It was understandable to think he couldn't hit enough, but they weren't convinced about his defense. 2013 wasn't likely repeatable, understood - but he was clearly an elite defender.

Why sign CY for his CF capabilities (which we misjudged btw) and put your faith in CY in Cf and EY in left if Legares stumbled?? Upgrade at weak positions such as SS and LF to offset Legares offense in CF was the much safer bet, no?

Curious I checked to see how bad he was. Shocked to see 31 other players with over 200 ABs are worse than him. Including FfAs last year David Murphy, Hart, Choo and Beltran
CY 32nd worst - ( New Window )

Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 3m
Expecting someone to take big run at #Rays� Price today. Exec said, �Wouldn�t they have already?� Yes, but wild things happen on final day.

worth a glance. Doesn't really address the question of what do they have to sell.
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Byrd would have been preferred, but counting the vesting option he's essentially got a deal 3x as big. All things equal, I doubt they'd have passed on Byrd, but they weren't looking to commit more than 1 year to a non-core type player and that I agree with. Plus as Dan mentioned CY could play CF, which was important because Lagares hadn't yet proven to be an every day CF (he still may not have definitively proven that either).

Additionally if you look around the other FA that were out there, plenty of other teams did badly as well. Mike Morse was a very good bargain, but his OPS has dropped 200+ points since May and without a strong 2nd half he may prove to have just had a fluke start. Plus he was coming off injury plagued seasons. Abreu was really the only major miss, but then again Duda is proving to have been a worthy gamble.

admittedly like Lagares but he's quietly "gotten away" with a pretty disappointing season for those of us who were hoping he might actually be more than "awesome glove with travel". His defense in CF might yet be enough for him to be a starter but THUS FAR in his career he looks more like a 7th-8th hitter who is a glove you carry vs. possibly "more" than that. Things can change but he's "disappointed" this season. Not being doom and gloom, lots of positives for the Mets and I still like Lagares just stating the facts.

In comment 11787873 DanMetroMan said:

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admittedly like Lagares but he's quietly "gotten away" with a pretty disappointing season for those of us who were hoping he might actually be more than "awesome glove with travel". His defense in CF might yet be enough for him to be a starter but THUS FAR in his career he looks more like a 7th-8th hitter who is a glove you carry vs. possibly "more" than that. Things can change but he's "disappointed" this season. Not being doom and gloom, lots of positives for the Mets and I still like Lagares just stating the facts.

I agree with this. I think the last two months of the season are big for Lagares. I think his bat is just barely good enough that he can start in CF for a good team but his numbers aren't going to look good if he doesn't finish the season strong.

That's why it was so important to get Lagares every day ABs so we can make this evaluation and have that data for next year. I wish we would do the same for Flores.

I like Lagares too. But as you said his glove might make it so the baseline for his hitting only needs to be so good.. but he needs to hit better or he's simply a very good CF who you "hide" in your lineup. Hopefully he hits a bit more going forward.

Hitting 270, on pace for about 35 doubles. He needs to get on base more and he doesnt have real power obviously. Not sure what he is going to become...ANd he does seem to be pretty clutch

In comment 11787840 Dunedin81 said:

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Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 3m Expecting someone to take big run at #Rays� Price today. Exec said, �Wouldn�t they have already?� Yes, but wild things happen on final day.

I think Price get moved.

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In comment 11787886 DanMetroMan said:

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I like Lagares too. But as you said his glove might make it so the baseline for his hitting only needs to be so good.. but he needs to hit better or he's simply a very good CF who you "hide" in your lineup. Hopefully he hits a bit more going forward.

I kind of disagree Dan. I think Lagares has shown a lot of improvement at the plate that gives you hope he can continue improving. I think it's somewhat unlikely he'll ever be more than a 7th or 8th hitter, but at times he's shown patience and an ability to have some pretty good AB's. Plus he's gotten some clutch hits here and there.

Going into the season there was a distinct possibility he'd hit sub .250, never walk, and rival Tejada in slugging %. Just the fact that he was able to go through a pretty extended hot streak hitting over .300 shows a glimpse that there could be more there.

numbers are actually quite bad. Average MLB hitter (that includes C, SS, CF etc) has a wRC+ of 100, his is 95, his wOBA is .303, anything below .310 is considered "bad", .340 or above = "good"

on Lester...Apparently very close to a deal..

improvement? 4.3% walk rate, 22.2% K rate. Remember his numbers are boosted by a .354 BABIP. Predictably, his defense has been worth far less than last year (everyone wanted to believe his HISTORIC 2013 defensive numbers were repeatable, they weren't)

If the A's get him they look to be in very good shape.

Lagares

2013- 4.8% BB, 22.8% K rate, .110 ISO
2014- 4.3% BB, 22.2% K rate, .100 ISO

BABIP has been his friend (.310 last year, .354 this year). Statistically he's shown zero growth offensively from last year, which is what the concern is. "Is THIS his ceiling?" is a very valid question.

or a Met Discussion thread?

Andrew Marchand �@AndrewMarchand �1 min
RT @alexspeier Trying to confirm, but hearing Lester and Gomes might be moving for Cespedes (Wow, if this ends up being the deal)

missed some time so he doesn't have enough AB's to qualify but if he did he would be 15/20 in wRC+ among CF 17/20 in wOBA and he doesn't add speed like say, Billy Hamilton.

that's a blockbuster

start one.

Sox

Jon Heyman �@JonHeymanCBS �34 secs
Lester traded for cespedes confirmed

for Cespedes

with better AB's. Obviously a lot of those came during his hot streak, but it does give promise that there may be upside there if he can continue to make adjustments and take steps forward. If he doesn't he still seems like he'll be able to have a much more dangerous bat than Tejada while giving you very good defense.

says done deal.

- Capone

In comment 11787921 nygiants16 said:

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Andrew Marchand �@AndrewMarchand �1 min RT @alexspeier Trying to confirm, but hearing Lester and Gomes might be moving for Cespedes (Wow, if this ends up being the deal)

Wow which way? Thought even a Lester rental would get more than that?

Cashman waits out the deadline to the very end. He dumpster dives and pulls out a cheap bat and a cheap pitcher.

that's a great trade for Boston.

not that impressed by Cespedes I guess.

When I heard Josh Bell+ prospects I thought that was a good deal.

Cespesdes is a decent corner OFer.

Am I underestimating him?

unless Cots is wrong Cespedes is a FA after next year.

able to pull that off? I don't get this trade from the A's perspective.

baby!!!!

Why? This makes no sense for the A's. You have him signed basically until 2018 as he is arbitration eligible in 2016 and FA not until 2018. You are going to lose Lester in the winter. I say no way to this.

In comment 11787951 DanMetroMan said:

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unless Cots is wrong Cespedes is a FA after next year.

No he is arb eligible. Contract expires after next year.

In comment 11787947 pjcas18 said:

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not that impressed by Cespedes I guess. When I heard Josh Bell+ prospects I thought that was a good deal. Cespesdes is a decent corner OFer. Am I underestimating him?

Cespades has the best arm in baseball.

Boston also getting a competitive balance draft pick from Oakland. Boston will send cash to the A's.

a good defensive OF who hits HRs (he'll hit a lot more as a right-handed power bat at Fenway) but is still OPSing under .800.

you are underrating him. OPS+ of 114, 2.3 WAR in 100 games this year. He's an above average regular without a big contract. 30th in wRC+ among OF, 36th in wOBA

that isn't correct. Katz put in a clause he can't be offered arbitration. He's a FA after 2015.

hits in Fenway compared to Oakland...

A's. I think this is a mistake.

Oakland is a MAJOR pitchers park

I still like the deal for Boston because their lineup next year looked like shit (truth be told they may be a better team now than pre-trade).

Cespedes was the highest paid A's player.

he was arbitration eligible in 2015.

His arm is awesome, but I thought the Sox could have gotten more for Lester.

Who knows, maybe Fenway helps his offense.

and maybe the A's win a playoff series.

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he's not arbitration eligible. He is a FA following next season. Boston must feel they can lock him up to a team friendly deal.

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Oakland is a MAJOR pitchers park

that's what I'm saying...Dan can you explain this? I mean they even had to send Millone down because of an excess of pitching.

In comment 11787981 DanMetroMan said:

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he's not arbitration eligible. He is a FA following next season. Boston must feel they can lock him up to a team friendly deal.

I was just going from baseball reference - I'm sure you're right.

do the A's get draft pick compensation, if they offer Lester a QO and don't re-sign him?

obviously is looking at this as a short series pitchers change everything.


Lester, Kazmir, Gray, Samardzija could be pretty nasty. I think Chavez is near the end of the line innings wise (probably headed to the pen, another nice find) Hammel has been a turd with them. I think basically he thinks this is the year to "go for it" and pitching the way to do it.

get absolutely nothing if Lester walks (which I assume he will). So this is quite the gamble.

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pitchers park + home field advantage throughout the playoffs = get more pitching

In comment 11787992 DanMetroMan said:

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get absolutely nothing if Lester walks (which I assume he will). So this is quite the gamble.

and if he goes back to the Red Sox? Yeah, this is a bad deal for them.

Why don't they get draft pick compensation, is that part of the new rules?

is an extreme fly ball hitter and is also a pull hitter, he should mash at Fenway.

the new rules are that players traded in-season are not eligible for QO/pick compensation. So unless the A's win the WS this trade wasn't a good one. I'm a huge Beane fan and props for going for it I guess, but it's a MAJOR gamble.

Cespedes contract states that at the end of 2015 if he is not signed to another contract by 5 days after the season he will be released. Hence 1 yr and half to get him signed. No Arbritration due to the clause in his contract.

In comment 11788007 DanMetroMan said:

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the new rules are that players traded in-season are not eligible for QO/pick compensation. So unless the A's win the WS this trade wasn't a good one. I'm a huge Beane fan and props for going for it I guess, but it's a MAJOR gamble.

And because Cespedes is a FA (assuming you are right about that) too the Sox would not get draft pick compensation if they don't sign him either?

is a FA after the 2015 season, he's not arbitration eligible after this season, he has a set salary. The Sox have 1.5 years to get him locked him or he hits the market.

Doesnt he lead the team in WAR (BR) by more than half a run? Crap on his offense all you want (and he's substandard even for a CF), but his defense is fantastic and game changing. It's not last years' D -- that was plainly unrepeatable as he was on pace for like top 10 alltime defensive WAR. But he's still been very good in center. And that will matter more if we put a proper all-hit LF in the lineup.

to Bay Area radio they are now all of a sudden talking about how Cespedes is an average hitter and on the play were he thru out the Angels that intialy he miss played the ball. I fu8kin hope the Angels win the division and the A's lose in the first round.

believed he was team controlled (first year arbitration eligible) for 4 seasons but Katz worked out a deal where he is not "legally" allowed to be offered arbitration when his contract expires also known as the JD Drew/Beltran clause.

Saw this morning on Adam Rubin's blog that the Mets had a chance to add an 'intriguing outfielder' - what are your thoughts on the Mets trading for Shane Victorino - he's got 1 year left on his deal and could be a good leadoff hitter next year before Nimmo/Conforto is ready in 2016. Boston seems to be selling assets, could be a good buy

take Victorino on the cheap but he may yet be in decline/always injured mode. My guess is the OF Rubin was talking about was Rios.

Career home/road splits:

Home - .278/.344/.494
Road - .248/.293/.447

on blogs of Nationals interested in Dan Murphy. Unlikely to happen, but my baseline would be Giolito+. What do you guys think?

I wonder how this affects the market for Colon.

assuming the Mets will eat a chunk of salary, maybe he's a piece that can move.

aren't giving up Giolito let alone Giolito+ for 1.5 year of Daniel Murphy at around 15 million. They will find someone cheaper if that's the cost.

is routinely trashed here in Boston. he was fine last year (maybe even better than fine(, but they say this year he shows no desire to even be on the field, he's often injured and when not injured not interested.

I cannot stand Victorino from his Phillies days and consider him a baseball version of Vai Sikahema. I don't feel this way about many former players from rival teams, but I would not trade for Victorino.

I'm not sure how replacing one of your best hitters with another pitcher helps in the long-run.. unless they are stockpiling pitchers for a trade.

In comment 11788030 DanMetroMan said:

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believed he was team controlled (first year arbitration eligible) for 4 seasons but Katz worked out a deal where he is not "legally" allowed to be offered arbitration when his contract expires also known as the JD Drew/Beltran clause.

Gotcha my mistake. Cespedes is a good defensive OF (arm is one of the best in the game, human highlight reel, occasionally inconsistent) and he could absolutely rake at Fenway as a right-handed hitter, but his OBP was .294 last year, .303 this year. People remember the Sportscenter Top 10 moments and ignore the fact that from game to game he hasn't been a top player since 2012.

he's a good regular, he's not a superstar (or hasn't been one). He's overrated by his highlights but also underrated in that he's a good, above average starting OF. Some guys are both over/underrated. He's one.

Because, without the arm, he'd be a below-average defensive OF.

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on blogs of Nationals interested in Dan Murphy. Unlikely to happen, but my baseline would be Giolito+. What do you guys think?

Giolito will arguably be the #1 SP prospect in all of baseball in 2015...dont think Nationals would consider that deal straight up, especially within their own divison.

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SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 3m Yoenis Cespedis has 17 HR this season. Red Sox outfielders COMBINED have 14 HR.

I certainly understand why Beane pulled the trigger, but Cherington did a good job of getting help for next year instead of just another prospect. They have a lot of them in their system, adding even another Top 50 guy isn't likely to give them offense next year when the only veterans of consequence are a fading Pedroia and an, umm, enhanced 38 year old power hitter who can't hold on forever.

In comment 11788062 CromartiesKid21 said:

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In comment 11788038 sshin05 said: Quote: on blogs of Nationals interested in Dan Murphy. Unlikely to happen, but my baseline would be Giolito+. What do you guys think? Giolito will arguably be the #1 SP prospect in all of baseball in 2015...dont think Nationals would consider that deal straight up, especially within their own divison.

That's what I would say the cost of Daniel Murphy would be. Obviously if the Nats wanted help in that position that badly and was willing to move him for Giolito, then sure. Flores or Herrera are behind Murphy. I don't want to trade Murphy but I would have to be overwhelmed.

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he's making 6, next year likely 8+ via arbitration. So he's not cheap + Giolito is unrealistic even if he were.

guys like Murphy don't bring back a huge return. A solid one? for sure but not when guys like Cabrera, Bonifacio etc are out there.

a FA after the year? I really like the idea of improving the current team, but only if its at least a guy who we can pencil in next year. No reason to trade any prospects for a rental. That said im so sick of the revolving door of crap in LF.

Bonifacio sucks. Who on earth would trade for him over Murphy???

vs. giving up... Giolito? c'mon

Plus Bonifacio rakes vs. lefties.

is a FA after next year

well depending on cost it might not be a bad move for the Mets. Not sure how many great upgrades there will be for LF in the summer and perhaps after next year one of the kids looks close to ready.

To twins. Not sure return. MLB network

Tommy Malone o the Twins

Nick Hamelin �@NickHamelinMLB � 3m
Josh Willingham may be going back to Oakland. All we know is that Minnesota has received Tommy Milone.

for Milone would be an awesome move for the A's (solid for the Twins as well)

Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 4m
Sources: #Astros �very, very busy� with calls on Cosart. Have taken Keuchel off the market.

The rest of his career? Not so much. I don't get the fascination with this guy. He's just not very good.

the point is there are other 2b options on the market. Nobody is giving up the moon for arbitration eligible Murphy. Giolito could be the best P prospect in baseball.

Jon Morosi �@jonmorosi � 2m
Fuld goes to Oakland in Milone deal.

win this one.

Nevermind, Oakland only got Sam Fuld. Nice trade by the Twins.

Just can't see why anyone with a brain would rather have Bonifacio on their team than Murphy.

about equivalent as prospects. Thor is more ready, but Giolito will be in AA next season. Once a power pitcher hits AA, he's always a threat to make the jump to the majors.

Would any Met fan trade Thor for Murphy? Of course not.

Jeff Passan �@JeffPassan � 3m
Source: Yankees looking for incremental upgrades, not big pieces. Monday much bigger day. They expect news on Masahiro Tanaka's progress.

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win this one. Nevermind, Oakland only got Sam Fuld. Nice trade by the Twins.

Strange trade by the A's. Fuld was exposed to waivers and the Twins claimed him. And I guess the A's really didnt want to lose him and would have rather given up Milone for him. Fuld's 32 so maybe they see value him as a good pinch runner??

Shark
Lester
Gray
Kazmir
Hammel

Fuld is a guy who can play anywhere, a heady player, and who can come in late in games to pinch run or as a defensive replacement.

Oakland is building their team for October.

Mark Feinsand �@FeinsandNYDN � 2m
Source says Yankees working on small potential deals, but no big splashes expected today. Right field still seems to be the focus.

they go and trade lester for a nice return and the yankees let their best player walk for nothing. It is a really bad way of doing business for the Yankees and why they are where they are today.

In comment 11788196 mac attack said:

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Shark Lester Gray Kazmir Hammel Fuld is a guy who can play anywhere, a heady player, and who can come in late in games to pinch run or as a defensive replacement. Oakland is building their team for October.

Probably the best rotation in the AL.

but where is Boston for next year? Their lineup is still weak (though this deal helps) and their rotation is weak. They could have locked up their best pitcher, an ace, for a slightly below market deal but didn't want to do the length. Yes they have kids, a lot of them, and over time that should be the nucleus of a good team, but that fluke 2013 really skewed perceptions of Boston. It was a shitty team in 2012, a lucky team in 2013, and is a shitty team again in 2014.

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a power hitter and got an extra draft pick in the process. What will the yankees get to improve? The market for bats suck and that is the yankees biggest weakness. Boston could go out and get a leadoff hitter and improve their rotation if they choose to do so.

Robert Murray �@RobertMurrayMLB � 3m
David Price trade talks intensifying and a deal is becoming likelier:

team?

In comment 11788223 sinctybldh said:

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they go and trade lester for a nice return and the yankees let their best player walk for nothing. It is a really bad way of doing business for the Yankees and why they are where they are today.

Boston, I think, also lucked out a few years ago when the Dodgers took whoever the Sox didn't want, freeing up a ton of payroll. If that trade doesn't go down, I think the Sox are in a very, very different position today.

they at least found a team willing to take on albatross contracts. Yankees keep handing out albatross contracts.

They have a great farm, which outside of Owens and De La Rosa had little to do with that deal, but the major league roster without Lester is pretty atrocious and its two best players are Pedroia and Ortiz, one has gone from star to ordinary in a year or two and the other is 38. 2013 was an annus mirabilis for Boston: that was a poorly constructed team that got lucky and it is showing its true colors now.

Bogaerts are excellent building blocks.

Price and Zobrist possibly to Detroit. According to Ken Rosenthal

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detroit doesn't have the prospects to do that. i assume they would trade castellanos but still that isn't close to enough.

small sample size at major league level notwithstanding.

So did Jesus Montero.

MLB network reported a fake tweet from one of their OWN employees. Majorrrr fail lol

I think Cespedes, Ortiz, Napoli gives them a strong middle of the order to follow. Bogaerts should pick up (I hope). SO, it's what they get at SS, C, and RF (assuming Victorino is on the DL). That's not a horrible lineup. A question will be how poorly Vasquez hits and whether Devan Marrero can be a quality ML bat. They've got as much a chance as anyone to add Castillo. SO I think there are parts to work with.

If they have a chance at re-ssigning Lester, then I think their rotation can hold. If not, I expect them to be in on Scherzer, Failing that...I don't know. I really do thin gthat they can get by and be decent with only one established vet pitcher though. Problem is, without Lester, they have no ace.

but we talked about Bradley yesterday. Plus, the AL East pretty much bites. So, to at least to compete in the division, you don't need that much.

for help right now. As long as they get good value in return. Sanchez and Jagielo/Bichette Jr should fetch something decent.

sanchez and jagielo should be kept. you aren't going to get a significant enough piece to make a difference with those two any way.

and focus on protecting prospects and even acquiring more.

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MLB network reported a fake tweet from one of their OWN employees. Majorrrr fail lol

To be fair "@Ken_Rosenthal and @Ken_Rosenthal_" are very similar looking accounts.

and they won't this year. it just isn't their m.o.

Yes. But he's sitting in the same room as them lol

No way I trade potential regular players for the marginal improvement in the Yankees chances for this year.

I'd kind of like them to make a small move or two so we can try to get the Captain into the postseason one more time, but whatever. The team needs new core players. Trading away youngsters is the opposite of what they should be doing now.

Apparently Saturday night the A's had a promotion, Cespedes T Shirt night.

or trade him today.

Solarte back ? LOL

the yankees are going to do to robertson what boston and seattle did to drew and morales.

but I saw where the Yankees sent Danny Burawa down one classification. That is the right move. He is not even ready for AAA yet.

a Cardinal per Heyman

for Cano. However the Cano/Lester situations are very different. At this time last year and even into the off season the Yanks thought they had a good chance to re-sign Cano and made a very competitive offer. They just wouldn't go to 10 years. The Sox on the other hand made a joke of an extension offer to Lester in Spring Training and have little intention of handing him an anywhere near market value deal. The Sox have managed things better than the Yanks the past few years, but the decision not to deal Cano was understandable at the time. Now you can say they should have dealt him knowing they'd make a competitive offer to get him back in the off season, but really how many times has that happened over the years? I remember the A's doing it with Rickey Henderson once to the Blue Jays.

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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 3m
Cards getting lackey

no names yet. Martinez??

Lackey but if it was anything significant it would surprise me...the Cards need more help with hitting than pitching, especially after adding Masterson yesterday...

to some extent, the Cards are in the same boat as the Yankees - their fan base wants them to win every year and won't allow any sort of rebuilding or pass, even for one year...

again I don't equate the two teams or their farm systems but the situation is similar...

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during the season last year. cano asked for a 10 year 300 million contract to start. yankees should have had an idea that they would do 10 years or trade him. there should have been no inbetween. now they let their player walk with absolutely nothing to show for it. how was that beneficial for them?

or martinez i would be completely stunned.

they can't trade away vets for prospects without saying Derek, we give up? But they should realize they have no chance and not go the other way and trade prospects foran all in run.I think cashman is doing it the best he can - minor upgrades without trading anytting of value

give the fans enough credit when they say that the fans "won't allow" them to rebuild. 1995-2012 was a heck of a run but I think that even the most die-hard Yankee fans realize that the team needs to take a year or two to rebuild and get their contracts sorted out.

to let him go for nothing. I'm just saying you are making a decision about something after it happened, when before it happened the situation was different. the 10 year 300 million thing was a # thrown out there and in the end he didn't get it, not even close. If Seattle doesn't come along and offer 10 years he's still a Yankee.

i said many times last year they should have traded cano.

so lets get off that kick. Please.

Kaminsky, (Shelby) Miller

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would be obtainable. i doubt they give up on shelby miller.

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now tavaras has a permanent spot in the lineup locked up for the cards.

u mean.

You can retool. This isnt the NBA where a competitive team slowly gets put in cap hell and has no shot at the elite prospects. The Yankees can rebuild their minor league system (which is not good; some fans are deluding themselves because it is not devoid of talent). At the same time they can continue to shoot for the playoffs with FA signings and plugging holes as prospects come up.

IF the Yankees have valuable contracts to trade (not sure) which will fill the system with prospects, then yeah, they could accelerate a golden age. Doesnt seem likely though.

but craig could probably regain value in fenway.

Wow. Allen Craig and Joe Kelly?

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I was over-excited

Yeehaw.

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They're making moves that give them a chance to not be a disaster next year. They'll still have to address the rotation in the offseason but this isn't a bad deal for them. 2011-2013 Allen Craig is a nice right-handed bat, has a chance for 20-25 HRs playing half his games at Fenway.

downside to this trade for Boston outside of Craig's money.

way to the sox "lose" this one. Worst case is having to pay craig more than he's worth. Kelly is a live arm 4-5 starter/reliever and Craig has been very good in the past. Excellent gamble, may or may not pay off.

teams are very reluctant to deal prospects.

Consensus there is they traded for a player in decline and a downgrade from Lackey.

The Sox also sending a miL pitcher.

I see the point about next year, but is it any better than Carp or Nava/Lackey?

is that not a good trade for the Sox. I don't get it.

has 3 years 26 million left, worst case is an overpaid role player. The guy had an .850 OPS 2010-2013 over 372 games, OPS+ of 132. Awful this year but almost zero downside.

"landslide win for Boston"...

Lackey is a #2 with an awesome contract for next year.

Bowden

is getting previously good offensive players that are heading downward and gambling that declines can reverse.

In comment 11788429 Bill L said:

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Lackey is a #2 with an awesome contract for next year.

Not if he wasn't going to play for $500K. It's not that much of a poison pill if he can just retire.

says Lackey is/was going to actually play for that price? For 500K he could take his ball and go home (or threaten to). He also has a solid but unspectacular 3.56 FIP good for 42nd in the league

In comment 11788428 Mike in St. Louis said:

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"landslide win for Boston"...

Jim Bowden. Lol.

some sort of "honor" situation Lackey is going to get a new contract for 2015 (and beyond).

is that it's a bluff. It was likely that he would get an extension for a team-friendly contract that boosted him next year. He's been a good pitcher these last 2 years.

In comment 11788374 NYerInMA said:

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give the fans enough credit when they say that the fans "won't allow" them to rebuild. 1995-2012 was a heck of a run but I think that even the most die-hard Yankee fans realize that the team needs to take a year or two to rebuild and get their contracts sorted out.

So you think the fans are willing to spend hundreds of dollars to go to Y.S. to see the Yankees lose. What does it coast like at least 25 bucks just to park your car. Unfortunatley they have to feed the beast nad to do that they need to charge big bucks. I don't see where a family of 4 is going to pay like 500 bucks ( tickets/food/parking) for a losing team.

actually reported the Sox were concerned that Lackey would insist on a multi-year extension/raise or threaten to retire so this was a real concern.

in fantasy? He was dropped in my league.

is that it's heavily biased toward...prospects. Sometimes even at the expense of current ML success. SO their unhappiness is because no prospects came in the deal. Even so, IMO they now have too many OF/1B people and Victorino who I like, swill be the likely odd man out. Also, they got a 4/5 back for a 2.

or bullpen arm. i have a feeling he will get shelled in the AL.

@susanslusser It also sounds as if the #Athletics may not be done - they're still looking at some possibilities

Red Sox acquired RHP Joe Kelly and OF Allen Craig from the Cardinals for RHP John Lackey and LHP Corey Littrell.
Kelly owns a promising 3.25 ERA in 266 career major league innings, but he's made half of his appearances in pitcher-friendly Busch Stadium and likely won't have as much luck on batted balls with the move to Fenway Park. The 26-year-old right-hander seems like a bullpen arm long term for Boston. He is under control through 2018.

Red Sox acquired OF Allen Craig and RHP Joe Kelly from the Cardinals for RHP John Lackey.
Craig had an outstanding .312/.364/.500 batting line in 328 games between 2011-2013, but he's looked like a completely different player in 2014 -- gimpy in the field and unable to hit the ball with authority at the plate. He'll presumably take over in left for the Red Sox, who will try to get him back on track. Craig, 30, is owed $5.5 million in 2015, $9 million in 2016, $11 million in 2017, and then has a $13 million team option for 2018.

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 1m

Tigers and Red Sox "getting close" to deal for Andrew Miller, source says.

In comment 11788449 mitch300 said:

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In comment 11788374 NYerInMA said: Quote: give the fans enough credit when they say that the fans "won't allow" them to rebuild. 1995-2012 was a heck of a run but I think that even the most die-hard Yankee fans realize that the team needs to take a year or two to rebuild and get their contracts sorted out. So you think the fans are willing to spend hundreds of dollars to go to Y.S. to see the Yankees lose. What does it coast like at least 25 bucks just to park your car. Unfortunatley they have to feed the beast nad to do that they need to charge big bucks. I don't see where a family of 4 is going to pay like 500 bucks ( tickets/food/parking) for a losing team.

The Yankees have been bad for two seasons in a row now, and yet the stadium is still pretty full on most nights from what I've seen. The Steinbrenners have more money than they know what to do with at this point, and even if attendance (and profit) declines for a year or two, it's not going to hurt the franchise's viability whatsoever. As soon as they start winning again, the Steinbrenners can jack up the prices to even-more ridiculous levels and people will pay. It's a no-lose situation.

Cherington gets Torii Hunter in return

hunter

on Miller was said to be very high. Wonder who they got. Adames? Travis?

Victorino.

Robert Murray �@RobertMurrayMLB � 2m
Source: 60% chance #Indians trade Asdrubal Cabrera today. #Mariners reportedly the sleeper team.

I understand where your coming from. In fact I agree with you. I say bring up some youth and see what they can do. Unfortunatly I don't think the owners agree with us.

in on Rios

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 16s

#Yankees taking this down to the wire. Willingham, Denorfia types of names under consideration. Byrd, too; talks currently at impasse.

Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 2m
#Yankees taking this down to the wire. Willingham, Denorfia types of names under consideration. Byrd, too; talks currently at impasse.

stand pat.

likely very cheap. Willingham probably isn't worth the price.

have been bad for 2 straight seasons plus ... because their core 4 aged and retired and they are not getting any Return on Investment for their FA's...

Minor League is slowly coming back, leave it alone please!

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m
Been told #Rays are definitely moving Price

. .

?

20hr everyday rf

They got it wrong

Guzman is on mets

I was really worried they were going to miss out on the world series this year.

In comment 11788521 sinctybldh said:

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I was really worried they were going to miss out on the world series this year.

so the Yanks just got younger

In comment 11788514 Dunedin81 said:

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Well, if you dont know who he is, I like this trade.

better start worrying again...looks like the Mets got Byrd...

and my hopes were so high that byrd would put them over the top.

for minor league OF...he's faded afater a good start...

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is that like a computer simulated twitter version of the Yankees? Can that version hit?

the Byrd trade?

Obviously off of the same info we saw though.

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Andrew Marchand ‏@AndrewMarchand 1m Person in the know says Yanks haven't acquired Byrd. Bryan Hoch ‏@BryanHoch 2m Yankees official says that there is no deal for Marlon Byrd.

In other news...

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Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 2m The Yankees have claimed Esmil Rogers off waivers from the Blue Jays.

...

regarding Price..

"I think it may be the Tigers...maybe"

brilliant


in other news, The Mets may acquire Stanton....maybe.

Championship!

Bob Nightengale �@BNightengale � 5m
The #Dbacks get OF Mitch Haniger and LHP Anthony Banda from #Brewers for Parra.

In comment 11788488 mitch300 said:

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I understand where your coming from. In fact I agree with you. I say bring up some youth and see what they can do. Unfortunatly I don't think the owners agree with us.

Indeed, it's very frustrating.

they caid is going to get moved. My bet he ends up in Baltimore

Jim Bowden deleted his twitter account.

In comment 11788550 Shockeyisthebest80 said:

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Murphy on the Mets is available, but I suspect we wont move him. Might be one of those situations where we value him more than the teams looking at him. No rumors about what is being offered for him makes me think all talks are super low level.

The Reds have dangled Mat Latos in trade discussions, reports ESPN's Jayson Stark.
Cincinnati isn't buying this season, and they may decide to sell -- perhaps even their ace. Reds general manager Walt Jocketty has seen the attractive packages front-line starters Jeff Samardzija and Jon Lester have garnered and may want in on the action. Latos has a 3.31 ERA in eight starts this year after missing the first two and a half months with injury.

Jon Heyman �@JonHeymanCBS � 2m
chris denorfia is going to the mariners

year

In comment 11788562 Deej said:

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In comment 11788550 Shockeyisthebest80 said: Quote: ... Murphy on the Mets is available, but I suspect we wont move him. Might be one of those situations where we value him more than the teams looking at him. No rumors about what is being offered for him makes me think all talks are super low level.

yeah only if the other team overwhelms them, ie Addison Russell.

Beisbol's Org ‏@BeisbolsOrg � 2m
View translation
Pirates and Tigers in on Price per Rob Biertempfel

and the year after that (player option)

if all we have at the end of the day is this guy Rogers?

In comment 11788576 AJ23 said:

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if all we have at the end of the day is this guy Rogers?

relief?

to honor his option next year

usually he spends a full 30 minutes or so on WFAN spouting maybes and who knows and its possibles. He and Buster Olney are hilariously bad.

between all the bullshit "they should do this"es that would get a real GM fired and then getting taken in by a fake Twitter account.

Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 3m
#Mariners get Denorfia from #Padres for Almonte and a minor-league pitcher.

This season is a lost cause. No reason to waste any prospects in a futile attempt to salvage it.

Nick Hamelin �@NickHamelinMLB � 2m
The #Tigers are NOT getting LHP Andrew Miller according to @GordonEdes

Brian MacPherson �@brianmacp � 15m
With Lackey traded, Anthony Ranaudo will start for the Red Sox on Friday. It'll be his major-league debut.

Matt Kardos ⚾ �@mattkardos � 2m
At the rate Boston is trading starting pitching, Henry Owens may not be very far from that big league rotation

In comment 11788590 Dunedin81 said:

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Brian MacPherson �@brianmacp � 15m With Lackey traded, Anthony Ranaudo will start for the Red Sox on Friday. It'll be his major-league debut. Matt Kardos ⚾ �@mattkardos � 2m At the rate Boston is trading starting pitching, Henry Owens may not be very far from that big league rotation

Which means Ranaudo will throw 7 innings of 1-hit shutout ball against the Yankees tomorrow.

how little the Yankees are willing to move so far.

but the price for the pieces necessary to improve this team enough to compete this year are exorbitant. Fine with the decision.

In comment 11788598 Bake54 said:

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how little the Yankees are willing to move so far.

I think it's by design.

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My Yankee prediction. BeerFridge : 9:53 am : link : reply Cashman waits out the deadline to the very end. He dumpster dives and pulls out a cheap bat and a cheap pitcher.

He'll wait till the last minute when the sellers are most desperate and get two scrubs.

"1:33pm: The Cardinals may also still be involved on Price, per Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (via Twitter). His source indicates that the Cards, along with the Tigers and Mariners, are the final possible suitors." from MLB Trade Rumors...

or Jim Bowden's terrible, horrible, no good very bad day.
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Funniest thing I've seen in a while.

of Swishers deal that is left. Would you take Swisher back Yankee fans?

he's hitting like shit and only playing first and DHing. If you took out his games against us he'd be under .200. I like the guy but he's not a valuable player and he's got two more years (a vesting option for a 3rd that probably won't vest).

Nick Hamelin �@NickHamelinMLB � 2m
The #Indians have traded Asdrubal Cabrera according to @hoynsie. More details to come.

Jordan Bastian �@MLBastian � 3m
Cabrera to the Nationals. More soon...


Jerry Crasnick �@jcrasnick � 3m
Andrew Miller is being traded to #orioles, says source.

Bob Nightengale �@BNightengale � 3m
The #Rays still are talking to the #Tigers, #Mariners and #Pirates, and yes, even the #Yankees about Price.

Umm, okay

Lindor...

Jeff Passan �@JeffPassan � 2m
Source: Orioles LHP prospect Eduardo Rodriguez going to Boston for Andrew Miller.

Beisbol's Org �@BeisbolsOrg � 1m
Unconfirmed reports that the Indians are getting SS Zach Walters in the Cabrera trade

Now only if those young bats can show up, they shouldn't be down for too long.

Mark Feinsand �@FeinsandNYDN � 1m
Am told Yankees could be making a late charge into the Price sweepstakes. Still seems unlikely unless NYY gives up multiple top prospects +.

Erik Boland �@eboland11 � 2m
Price to Yankees a long shot but was told Rays have, in recent weeks, scouted Yanks farm system pretty extensively.

If the Yankees somehow land David Price

if the Yanks send Severino you can rest assured he'll be the next in TB's line of dominant SPs.

Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 2m
Hearing �no chance� #Yankees get Price.

a starting point?

I'd rather not do it though, it's just 14 months of the guy and his loss of velocity is troubling even if the results remain very good.

In comment 11788668 Dunedin81 said:

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Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal � 2m Hearing �no chance� #Yankees get Price.

Good. I'd rather hang onto the farm and just sign him as a FA in a year.

he will be extremely overpaid...

Joel Sherman �@Joelsherman1 � 2m
#Yankees announce claimed RHP Esmil Rogers off waivers from #Bluejays, unconditionally released INF Scott Sizemore

according to a Bowden tweet...oh, wait...

In comment 11788684 Mike in St. Louis said:

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according to a Bowden tweet...oh, wait...

I read that so quickly.. therefore I hate you haha

not sign or trade for Price. Already has lost some off of his fastball, that's not likely to get better only worse. No more huge contracts to free agent pitchers. Sabathia was worth it on the first deal but he's the exception

a fucking trade for Boston. Rodriguez is a potential 2-3 starter for Andrew Miller? A rental reliever? wow

No details yet, but possible that Seattle & Detroit involved.

then they must think he can hit in the middle of their order and front their rotation. otherwise i will think that cashman had too much cocaine snorted down his nose and he is as high as a kite.

just tweeted "ugh" speculation is Seattle gets Price.

are saying Price would head to the Tigers

i guess franklin, walker, peterson, guerrero for price?

their farm system is worse then the yankees.

Taijuan Walker @tai_walker � 45s
Should have added the "ugh" with the I'm hungry tweet haha whoops

Byrd is in the Phillies just posted lineup

Start with Smyly, go from there. Would have to be major leaguers.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 18s

The #Mariners have always been pessimistic about signing Price to a long-term contract while the #Tigers know they could pull it off.

Jeff Passan �@JeffPassan � 2m
Expectation is the Rangers are going to stay put. An 11th-hour deal could come together, but nothing close with Alex Rios or anyone else.

Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 11s

Told Sox aren't done dealing. Busy day will continue to the wire.

Robert Murray �@RobertMurrayMLB � 1m
Stephen Drew has been traded to the #Yankees, according to @Gordon Edes. Wow. #RedSox

Marc Normandin ‏@Marc_Normandin 58s

I told all y'all the Red Sox would make a trade with the Yankees before they would with the Rays.

real. Drew a Yankee

things are quiet in Colorado and New York.

just an observation.

Armas Jr for Mike Stanley?

says the Mets/Rockies will not be making a trade today.

his salary is pretty high considering the results.

for Kelly Johnson the rumor

the Yankees?

Rosenthal

a Tiger

get Price

In comment 11788735 feelflows said:

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Rosenthal

wow if true, that rotation is sick

Scott Sizemore.

from his mouth on TV, so not a fake account

if it's Drew for Kelly Johnson that's actually a win.

Price Schezer Sanchez... Oh my

wow, we have three teams that are head and shoulders above the rest in the AL (A's, Angels, Tigers)

should be fun

this mean Scherzer will be a free agent.

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 25s

David Price deal will "most likely" be 3 teams, source says.

want Colon?

In comment 11788744 DanMetroMan said:

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Price Schezer Sanchez... Oh my

I could see Porcello going back to the Rays.

trade one overpaid shitty infielder for another. Drew actually gives the Yankees an okay backup shortstop and he should play a serviceable 2B, IF defense of Headley/Ryan/Drew/Teix (maybe not in that order) is a lot better than what they've fielded this season.

and Drew is gone? Hallelujah.

All kinds of big names moving. How the Phillies haven't traded Cliff Lee and made moves on a couple of other guys is beyond me

guess the Sox were just doing Drew a solid and making more room for Xander and Middlebrooks.

that's insane.

is Mariners. Tampa wanted some Ms players, just didn't get it done.

In comment 11788750 Mike in NY said:

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want Colon?

They've got about 7 minutes if they do.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 3s

price goes to tigers in 3-way with seattle and tb

is the third team in the Price deal (Detroit gets Price, but unknown how the Mariners are involved)

heck of a trading deadline, Phillies did nothing

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 41s

austin jackson and drew smyly in price deal

...

worse than Roberts/Ryan/whatever piece of trash has played 2nd.

Franklin to TB in deal

In comment 11788762 sshin05 said:

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heck of a trading deadline, Phillies did nothing

Amaro was busy today updating his resume. No time to make trades.

and Franklin head to Rays at minimum, I guess Jackson heads to Seattle?

Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly are leaving DET...one of them is going to SEA and the other is going to TB. Nick Franklin goes from SEA to TB

Austin Jackson part of the deal

Jackson to Seattle, Price to Detroit, Smyly and Franklin (at minimum to TB).

is that even a good deal for the rays?

Smyly to Mariners with Jackson...

who knows, maybe he's a .250 hitter the rest of the way.

to Pitt supposedly

I can't believe Franklin and Jackson were the best Tampa could do for Price.

,

M's got Jackson

.

Franklin & Smyly? Can't believe there was no better offer out there. Even if Tampa loves Franklin...

kicked ass on this trade. TB didn't get enough in my view

In comment 11788784 Greg from LI said:

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Yes it is, i assume some minor leaguers/prospects might be involved.

That's big

from the Mariners is also headed to TB

if not Tampa got hosed.

if true, nice get

.

would change the trade. Walker, Smyly and Franklin is a fair return for Price.

.

Then they have to be getting something besides Jackson, don't they?

In comment 11788799 DanMetroMan said:

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would change the trade. Walker, Smyly and Franklin is a fair return for Price.

Mariners give up the best prospect in the deal with Walker & their the ones NOT getting Price?

Walker is NOT in Price deal per @JonHeymanCBS

stays in Seattle

Heyyman says no walker.

via Heyman

Tampa got hosed

it appears

they're going nowhere, this year or next, and the farm isn't all that great, probably in the 20's with Biddle's problems this year.

Back to Tampa getting hosed

in the offseason, were that Tampa like Franklin.

But The Mariners have to be getting more than this right? If Walker is in this trade

looks like the big losers. Tigers win big, Jackson for Franklin is nice too

Jack Curry �@JackCurryYES � 1m
Yankees have acquired Prado from Arizona.

Phillies players will clear waivers. They've been alluding to august trades.

Could be useful

...

There's our 2nd baseman, I guess

on Prado was said to be quite high before he was traded

a Marlin

$11 million in 2015 and another $11 million in 2016...

Anything to get Ichiro the hell out of the lineup

oh wait!

Dan Pfeiffer �@danpfeiffer74 � 1m
Peter O'Brien to #DBacks for Martin Prado. #Yankees

what did Prado cost??

to Yankees rumored

because there's absolutely no reason for them to keep him as a rebuilding team. I can understand the Phils not trading Hamels because he's a piece on any future contender there but Cliff Lee absolutely had to be traded

.

In comment 11788838 DanMetroMan said:

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to Yankees rumored

WTF another catcher?

Must mean Cervelli's on the move. Otherwise, I have no idea why they'd be remotely interested in Ryan Hanigan.

if there is a team interested..

In comment 11788845 Greg from LI said:

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Must mean Cervelli's on the move. Otherwise, I have no idea why they'd be remotely interested in Ryan Hanigan.

Even then, JR Murphy is more that capable

so no Colon deal yet. He could get put through waivers at some point, don't rule that out

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 35s

Hearing Jake Marisnick is in the Cosart deal. #marlins #astros

In comment 11788842 Greg from LI said:

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Not really upset. In all likelyhood, he was the next Mitch Jones.

quote me on Hanigan, someone texted me that, im not seeing it though

was called into the dugout from CF in the 7th inning today...said good bye to teammates and waved to fans...

Ok. I was kinda hoping that Refsnyder could give us that performance at 2B for less than 11 million per.

He was sitting at .286/.308/365 when they sent him down, and in Scranton he's posted .236/.283/.346. He has not shown that he's ready, I'd say.

PTBNL in the Prado deal...

was BS, he said "I was kidding". Great joke

In comment 11788863 Mike in St. Louis said:

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PTBNL in the Prado deal...

balls. O'Brien is enough.

In comment 11788863 Mike in St. Louis said:

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PTBNL in the Prado deal...

Well.....Arizona supposedly has been interested in Cervelli. If Dan's Hanigan post is legit, then that would seem likely.

James Russell...haven't seen the return...

to TB, Willy Adames

but the HR "race" gave him more value now than he's likely to have later. Fine with the deal.

Astros will receive Colin Moran, Jake Marisnick, and comp pick in exchange for Jarred Cosart and Enrique Hernandez of Marlins.

In comment 11788860 BeerFridge said:

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Ok. I was kinda hoping that Refsnyder could give us that performance at 2B for less than 11 million per.

Both Refsnyder and Prado can play RF

Roberts at second. Not sure what the long term plan is for refsnyder now unless they don't resign headley.

In comment 11788877 dpinzow said:

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In comment 11788860 BeerFridge said: Quote: Ok. I was kinda hoping that Refsnyder could give us that performance at 2B for less than 11 million per. Both Refsnyder and Prado can play RF

Sure, but neither of them will hit enough for it to make sense next year.

Prado can play several positions and would be a handy utility guy.

In comment 11788874 Dunedin81 said:

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but the HR "race" gave him more value now than he's likely to have later. Fine with the deal.

It's funny. I've always looked at him as "Jay Buhner" and now the Yankees have traded him. I mostly wanted Refsnyder to get a chance at second and now he won't.

Keeping third warm until jagielo is ready.

OTOH, Girardi had no problem allowing Soriano to embarrass himself in RF.

changes the price package a bit, I've seen quite a few experts REALLY like him.

In comment 11788884 BeerFridge said:

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In comment 11788874 Dunedin81 said: Quote: but the HR "race" gave him more value now than he's likely to have later. Fine with the deal. It's funny. I've always looked at him as "Jay Buhner" and now the Yankees have traded him. I mostly wanted Refsnyder to get a chance at second and now he won't.

And you know he wont get a chance at 2nd base how?

It's not as if moving from left to right is that goddamned hard. Might not be ideal, but give me a break.

bat has suffered, should recover a bit in YS. Fine with the deal, a sell-high on O'Brien. First deal I've seen in awhile that had a multi-year horizon.

Cubs land Caratini in Russell deal

Has got better with headley, drew and prado.

Bryan Hoch �@BryanHoch � 2m
Drew is replacing Brian Roberts, who will be DFA

In comment 11788905 Dunedin81 said:

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Bryan Hoch �@BryanHoch � 2m Drew is replacing Brian Roberts, who will be DFA

well, that's a relief too

after all

Sick of Roberts defense. Addition by subtraction.

Jack Curry �@JackCurryYES � 2m
Prado has almost exclusively been LF. Regarding his ability to play RF, Cashman said, "That's what we're going to find out."

In comment 11788895 Kulish29 said:

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In comment 11788884 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 11788874 Dunedin81 said: Quote: but the HR "race" gave him more value now than he's likely to have later. Fine with the deal. It's funny. I've always looked at him as "Jay Buhner" and now the Yankees have traded him. I mostly wanted Refsnyder to get a chance at second and now he won't. And you know he wont get a chance at 2nd base how?

I don't "know" he won't. That's true. But Prado's best position is 2B, our OF is full and the only other spot is third, where he's not much of a bat.

It does look like this year he'll be playing RF and Drew will be playing second? A sub-600 OPS and a sub 700 OPS. Woo hoo!

the Yankees trade. No-brainer

Lohud Yankees Blog �@LoHudYankees � 2m
Cashman says Rob Refsnyder will move back to second base full time in AAA. No more right field. Looking at him as a 2B option next year.

Drew may, may not

In comment 11788922 Dunedin81 said:

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Lohud Yankees Blog �@LoHudYankees � 2m Cashman says Rob Refsnyder will move back to second base full time in AAA. No more right field. Looking at him as a 2B option next year.

OK, that's good.

Erik Boland �@eboland11 � 2m
Cashman said Pineda will start Sunday for Scranton in a rehab game.

is everyone in the media drooling over themselves about the Lackey trade for the Red Sox. Even when Craig was playing well he was overrated (barely above 2 WAR in his best years) and he's 30 and complete garbage this year. He also makes decent money. It's an OK return with him and kelly but nothing special.

2 plate appearances short of collecting $250,000

Yankees got better and kept their best prospects. Those price rumors had me nervous.

Prado is a very solid player, versatile and considered one of the hardest workers, best teammates in the game. He's a throwback Yankee. He would have been beloved with Jeter, Bernie etc group. They gave up a guy who at BEST will head somewhere and be a solid DH/1b.

Pineda will need a month of rehab starts before he joins the yankees.

two guys on MLB Network call Allen Craig tremendous.

Never at any point in his career has he been tremendous

after the Braves traded him to Arizona...
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Pineda will need a month of rehab starts before he joins the yankees.

Just get the guy healthy for a change and I'll be happy. I suspect if hes throwing 65 pitches he'll be ready after two more starts at the latest if we need him.

Into a AA catcher with suspect defense.

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is better than kelly johnson

I both agree and disagree with you. Craig was overrated when he was good, Kelly has a great arm but isn't a great pitcher (could be a 4-5 or a good pen arm worst case) but Craig at 25 million over 3 years could end up being a pretty solid bargain. Craig's previous 3 seasons before 2014 he was worth 35.5 million using WAR (or about 12 per), if he bounces back to that level or close he's a nice player and Kelly is solid too. They didn't get some ridiculous return but for a 36 year old Lackey they did pretty well.

That's the main reason it's a decent trade. They needed someone who can even pretend to hit at a major league level (IOW, not Brendan Ryan) at short behind Jeter.

in Drew-Johnson deal...

In comment 11788947 Greg from LI said:

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That's the main reason it's a decent trade. They needed someone who can even pretend to hit at a major league level (IOW, not Brendan Ryan) at short behind Jeter.

Stephen Drew's offensive season makes Derek Jeter's season look like Troy Tulowitzki's

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267/377/511 with a near normal 303 BABIP in his last 13 games. That power wont hold but he'll probably be a serviceable hitter the rest of the way, I'm glad he's gone because I wanted X at short the whole damn year

bounces back after sitting out into the season over his contract demands. Perhaps he was also frustrated that the team he rejoined was the team who didn't pay him commesurate to his expectations. Maybe NY opens things up for him. That's the hope, anyway.

That's the one I don't get. Unless they're auditioning him to sign next year, which is an idea I don't like either. Prado is a good deal.

and I was ridiculed- I heard about Denorfia but figured he sux so bad it didn't warrant a thread

have zero doubt Capone is legit and the Morales deal cemented that for me.

he has the image of a superstar and the production of just a good player. His OBP is .298 over the last two seasons. That is horrific. This type of "shopping" is Billy Beane's bread and butter.

Congrats on being something like 2 for 20.

please describe a single swing and miss

Price, Kemp, and Stubbs to the Mariners and I told you 100% NFW

Drew and Prado and ... who's the third?

didn't you say Cespedes was headed to Seattle? So, you were wrong, yet here you are bragging about I told you so's? Did you ever once mention Boston as a potential landing place?

.338 vs. LHPs, has really started hitting better since start of June.

Prado has struggled at Chase Field, batting .261 there and .279 on the road.

Also, shorter porch for him to get back some power he lost.
Stadium left-field line distance:
Chase Field - 330 ft
Yankee Stadium - 318 ft

In comment 11789003 Del Shofner said:

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Drew and Prado and ... who's the third?

Esmil Rogers, RH pitcher we claimed off waivers?

He said a same was shopping cespedes. Wasn't discussed anywhere else. He knew that because Seattle talked to the As about him. Because Seattle didn't get him doesn't make him wrong that the As shopped him.

that left field line number is deceiving. Left field may be short right down the line, but it gets deep very quickly. Yankee Stadium may be a bandbox in RF, but it is pretty damn spacious from center to left

to the Mariners and last week said the deal was dead . how the hell was I supposed to know where he would go to . I NEVER SAW A SINGLE REPORT that Cespedes could be moved and was laughed at when I suggested it.. but I shared it because it was surprising and thought you guys would find it interesting to have some inside baseball info but you people are such a-holes sometimes..

to you. Some of us appreciate what people bring to the site.

In comment 11789007 yatqb said:

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In comment 11789003 Del Shofner said: Quote: Drew and Prado and ... who's the third? Esmil Rogers, RH pitcher we claimed off waivers?

thanks Yat.

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to the Mariners and last week said the deal was dead . how the hell was I supposed to know where he would go to . I NEVER SAW A SINGLE REPORT that Cespedes could be moved and was laughed at when I suggested it.. but I shared it because it was surprising and thought you guys would find it interesting to have some inside baseball info but you people are such a-holes sometimes..

Don't listen to these clowns, your info is appreciated

And I know Yankee Stadium is notorious for its short right porch - but a lot of data suggests the new Yankee Stadium is a very favorable place for RH batters.

In 13 and 14, RH batters hit home runs more frequently per AB in Yankee Stadium than any park but Toronto. http://rotogrinders.com/pages/Ballpark_Factors-49556

But it's not a big deal either way, considering Prado isn't what you'd call a power hitter

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never said Cespedes was heading to the M's, just that Cespedes was being shopped. I think capone could come across better on here, but he's been pretty spot on

He's the kind of guy you want in a pennant race.

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from SI.com:

The Yankees claimed right handed reliever Esmil Rogers off waivers from the Toronto Blue Jays. Rogers is 0-0 in 19 games with a 6.97 ERA with the Blue Jays in 2014. Rogers isn�t an improvement over what the Yankees have in their monstrous bullpen, but he is insurance in case of injuries or other unforeseen circumstances occur.

Rogers come in to the organization like Jeff Francis did. Meaning it�s a �Eh� You never know� type of acquisition. More than likely Rogers will report to Triple-A Scranton Wilkes/Barre for some time and may find his way to the Bronx around September during roster expansion call-ups� or if the organization decides it can�t get any worse.

I would be fuming right about now. Franklin and Smyly for Price? Big deal so they threw in Adames. Friedman got completely bent over backwards on that trade. You don't trade franchise players unless you get back something with huge upside.

replaces Kelly Johnson

Tiger's rotation is scary - Verlander, Scherzer, Price and Sanchez.

Interesting that prospects are being valued so highly by both buyers and sellers and there seemed to be a market inefficiency associated with that (like the Ray's seemingly selling Price low by overvaluing prospects).

The biggest problem is they have no fans. If they did they would not be in the position of having to get rid of pitchers (Garza, Shields & Price)

They certainly were not going to get more over the winter

Get Cespedes, lock him up and then resign Lester this fall - LOL

In comment 11789065 sinctybldh said:

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I would be fuming right about now. Franklin and Smyly for Price? Big deal so they threw in Adames. Friedman got completely bent over backwards on that trade. You don't trade franchise players unless you get back something with huge upside.

They could have waited until the offseason and gotten more. Fuck, they might have waited until next year's deadline and gotten more.

this is the one that I need - I've been on the road all day and just got home. Looked at my phone and it had the news of the trades on it. Checked BBI and didn't see a discussion on this.

Now I can sit and read through all your opinions here - don't need the other thread for that.

Thanks!

tomorrow night?

Gardner LF
Jeter SS
Ellsbury CF
Teixeira 1B
Beltran DH
Prado RF
McCann C
Headley 3B
Drew 2B

I don't see Girardi mixing up the top with the way they've been hitting lately. I could see him keeping McCann at 6 but i'd like to see him at 8, so I'm going to say he'll bat 7. Prado has been mainly sitting at 5 or 6 in ARZ lineup.

BTW, I didn't realize til now that Drew has been hitting decently as of late. BA has jumped from .128 to .176 in three weeks.

The Red Sox lineup should also be interesting tomorrow.

Prado hits that high. He'll never hit higher than McCann.

Gardner
Jeter
Ellsbury
Teixeira
McCann
Beltran
Headley
Prado
Drew