NFT: MLB Deadline Day Thread

a Cardinal per Heyman

for Cano. However the Cano/Lester situations are very different. At this time last year and even into the off season the Yanks thought they had a good chance to re-sign Cano and made a very competitive offer. They just wouldn't go to 10 years. The Sox on the other hand made a joke of an extension offer to Lester in Spring Training and have little intention of handing him an anywhere near market value deal. The Sox have managed things better than the Yanks the past few years, but the decision not to deal Cano was understandable at the time. Now you can say they should have dealt him knowing they'd make a competitive offer to get him back in the off season, but really how many times has that happened over the years? I remember the A's doing it with Rickey Henderson once to the Blue Jays.

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Cards getting lackey

no names yet. Martinez??

Lackey but if it was anything significant it would surprise me...the Cards need more help with hitting than pitching, especially after adding Masterson yesterday...

to some extent, the Cards are in the same boat as the Yankees - their fan base wants them to win every year and won't allow any sort of rebuilding or pass, even for one year...

again I don't equate the two teams or their farm systems but the situation is similar...

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during the season last year. cano asked for a 10 year 300 million contract to start. yankees should have had an idea that they would do 10 years or trade him. there should have been no inbetween. now they let their player walk with absolutely nothing to show for it. how was that beneficial for them?

or martinez i would be completely stunned.

they can't trade away vets for prospects without saying Derek, we give up? But they should realize they have no chance and not go the other way and trade prospects foran all in run.I think cashman is doing it the best he can - minor upgrades without trading anytting of value

give the fans enough credit when they say that the fans "won't allow" them to rebuild. 1995-2012 was a heck of a run but I think that even the most die-hard Yankee fans realize that the team needs to take a year or two to rebuild and get their contracts sorted out.

to let him go for nothing. I'm just saying you are making a decision about something after it happened, when before it happened the situation was different. the 10 year 300 million thing was a # thrown out there and in the end he didn't get it, not even close. If Seattle doesn't come along and offer 10 years he's still a Yankee.

i said many times last year they should have traded cano.

so lets get off that kick. Please.

Kaminsky, (Shelby) Miller

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would be obtainable. i doubt they give up on shelby miller.

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now tavaras has a permanent spot in the lineup locked up for the cards.

u mean.

You can retool. This isnt the NBA where a competitive team slowly gets put in cap hell and has no shot at the elite prospects. The Yankees can rebuild their minor league system (which is not good; some fans are deluding themselves because it is not devoid of talent). At the same time they can continue to shoot for the playoffs with FA signings and plugging holes as prospects come up.

IF the Yankees have valuable contracts to trade (not sure) which will fill the system with prospects, then yeah, they could accelerate a golden age. Doesnt seem likely though.

but craig could probably regain value in fenway.

Wow. Allen Craig and Joe Kelly?

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I was over-excited

Yeehaw.

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They're making moves that give them a chance to not be a disaster next year. They'll still have to address the rotation in the offseason but this isn't a bad deal for them. 2011-2013 Allen Craig is a nice right-handed bat, has a chance for 20-25 HRs playing half his games at Fenway.

downside to this trade for Boston outside of Craig's money.

way to the sox "lose" this one. Worst case is having to pay craig more than he's worth. Kelly is a live arm 4-5 starter/reliever and Craig has been very good in the past. Excellent gamble, may or may not pay off.

teams are very reluctant to deal prospects.

Consensus there is they traded for a player in decline and a downgrade from Lackey.

The Sox also sending a miL pitcher.

I see the point about next year, but is it any better than Carp or Nava/Lackey?

is that not a good trade for the Sox. I don't get it.

has 3 years 26 million left, worst case is an overpaid role player. The guy had an .850 OPS 2010-2013 over 372 games, OPS+ of 132. Awful this year but almost zero downside.

"landslide win for Boston"...

Lackey is a #2 with an awesome contract for next year.

Bowden

is getting previously good offensive players that are heading downward and gambling that declines can reverse.

In comment 11788429 Bill L said:

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Lackey is a #2 with an awesome contract for next year.

Not if he wasn't going to play for $500K. It's not that much of a poison pill if he can just retire.

says Lackey is/was going to actually play for that price? For 500K he could take his ball and go home (or threaten to). He also has a solid but unspectacular 3.56 FIP good for 42nd in the league

In comment 11788428 Mike in St. Louis said:

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"landslide win for Boston"...

Jim Bowden. Lol.

some sort of "honor" situation Lackey is going to get a new contract for 2015 (and beyond).

is that it's a bluff. It was likely that he would get an extension for a team-friendly contract that boosted him next year. He's been a good pitcher these last 2 years.

In comment 11788374 NYerInMA said:

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give the fans enough credit when they say that the fans "won't allow" them to rebuild. 1995-2012 was a heck of a run but I think that even the most die-hard Yankee fans realize that the team needs to take a year or two to rebuild and get their contracts sorted out.

So you think the fans are willing to spend hundreds of dollars to go to Y.S. to see the Yankees lose. What does it coast like at least 25 bucks just to park your car. Unfortunatley they have to feed the beast nad to do that they need to charge big bucks. I don't see where a family of 4 is going to pay like 500 bucks ( tickets/food/parking) for a losing team.

actually reported the Sox were concerned that Lackey would insist on a multi-year extension/raise or threaten to retire so this was a real concern.

in fantasy? He was dropped in my league.

is that it's heavily biased toward...prospects. Sometimes even at the expense of current ML success. SO their unhappiness is because no prospects came in the deal. Even so, IMO they now have too many OF/1B people and Victorino who I like, swill be the likely odd man out. Also, they got a 4/5 back for a 2.

or bullpen arm. i have a feeling he will get shelled in the AL.

@susanslusser It also sounds as if the #Athletics may not be done - they're still looking at some possibilities

Red Sox acquired RHP Joe Kelly and OF Allen Craig from the Cardinals for RHP John Lackey and LHP Corey Littrell.
Kelly owns a promising 3.25 ERA in 266 career major league innings, but he's made half of his appearances in pitcher-friendly Busch Stadium and likely won't have as much luck on batted balls with the move to Fenway Park. The 26-year-old right-hander seems like a bullpen arm long term for Boston. He is under control through 2018.

Red Sox acquired OF Allen Craig and RHP Joe Kelly from the Cardinals for RHP John Lackey.
Craig had an outstanding .312/.364/.500 batting line in 328 games between 2011-2013, but he's looked like a completely different player in 2014 -- gimpy in the field and unable to hit the ball with authority at the plate. He'll presumably take over in left for the Red Sox, who will try to get him back on track. Craig, 30, is owed $5.5 million in 2015, $9 million in 2016, $11 million in 2017, and then has a $13 million team option for 2018.

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