Alderson has yet to make a trade not on his terms. No panic moves, no trades to appease the fan base that he is doing something. We still have Thor Matz Herrera Plawecki and I'm fine with it
due to my overwhelming frustration and disappointment with how the Mets have been run for the past decade. Can you tell me something objective to give a former die hard hope?
pitching is also legit. It's not some fan BS where Puello is Trout. I personally don't think Niese is ever going to be super healthy, nor do I especially trust Gee's long term health but the Mets have a bunch of very talented pitchers... MUST add 1-2 bats. I should have mentioned the breakout of Duda as well.
RE: I used to be a die hard Mets fan, but had to stop following the team
due to my overwhelming frustration and disappointment with how the Mets have been run for the past decade. Can you tell me something objective to give a former die hard hope?
They have plentiful legitimate young starting pitching, and some interesting young bullpen arms doing work.
And they still have Matt Harvey, who at his best is capable of being a top-5 starting pitcher.
They closed the first half with an 8-2 homestand, then finished a tough trip out of the break at 5-5 and just took the first series of this current homestand with a series win against the Phillies.
They are playing entertaining, solid baseball right now and Wheeler and deGrom starts are pretty dang fun. Also, Duda and d'Arnaud have come alive with the bat.
I'm enjoying watching this Mets team more than I have since 2008, and even more than that given that the future seems very bright to me.
I think the players have to clear waivers. Last year's Byrd for Black and Herrera happened in late August. Trades like this are unusual, but they do happen.
At this point they **could** do everything they needed to in FA
I agree with Dan, they are 1-2 bats away, which could obviously be filled at SS and/or LF.
If I was Sandy and under his budget, I'd fill one of those spots by trading 1 of Montero/Gee/Niese (as the centerpiece of a package), and who I trade for would be determined by the value on the trade market. The other spot I'd fill via FA based on the remaining budget and level of player they get in the trade. If I get CarGo in a deal with 1 of those guys as the centerpiece, I'm ok spending less at SS. Hopefully replenish some of the spare parts that need to get included in the deal with whatever Colon can bring back.
That said, if they were operating like a true NY franchise as they should be, the move would be to sign Hanley Ramirez or Mike Morse, or both.
Unless we were absolutely blown away for Colon or Murphy what is the point of trading them?? We could trade both in the offseason for just as much of a return if not more and in Murphy's case even next trading deadline, and they are still useful for the team now while others aren't ready yet.
As for acquiring a player?? The big bats didn't get moved and will likely get moved in the offseason. Do we really need a Ludwick right now?? Sandy clearly is in on Cargo and others. We'll get somebody in the offseason.
I think we need ONE middle of the lineup bat and the other we can go cheap or in-house OR get two solid players rather than one big bat. Either way would be fine.
If we acquired a Cargo or Kemp I'd be fine going Flores/Reynolds/Tovar next year.
If we can't get the really big bat something like Cuddyer and Lowrie would be fine too.
We will have an elite rotation next year, and elite bullpen next year, and a middle of the lineup with Murphy, Wright, Granderson, Duda, Acquisition, and TDA is MORE than enough in the NL.
I'd rather we do nothing than something stupid to make a splash
Which is a road the Wilponzies have pushed their FO down more than once in recent years. The pitching needs to continue to develop and this is key...stay healthy. If that happens the future is bright even if we have to wait a couple more seasons for some in house bats to come along.
Why? just to keep the guys loose with clubhouse antics? He's not a good baseball player anymore. And he can't play D at all really. Isn't he a 1B/DH primarily?
Which is a road the Wilponzies have pushed their FO down more than once in recent years. The pitching needs to continue to develop and this is key...stay healthy. If that happens the future is bright even if we have to wait a couple more seasons for some in house bats to come along.
Eh. See this I don't agree with. There's only so many bullets in a lot of these pitchers arms. On top of that they are going to be worth a fortune in a few years, could end up injured, ect. Having a rotation with Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Syndergaard, ect young, healthy, and making peanuts could blow up in any moment for a number of reasons. Likewise, Granderson, Wright, ect aren't getting younger. Next year I want the roster to look polished heading in. We are only a player or two away. Time to make a run.
roster is talented, up and coming at SP, RP, C, and to a lesser degree 1B and CF, with a top 5 farm system. But be wary -- management is signalling that they're going to remain very cost conscious. It is not at all clear that they are prepared to spend like a big market team should spend. In particular, the GM has said he isnt looking to have a second $100 million player, which is crazy for a big market team.
and from all accounts he's a genuinely good teammate, but I want him nowhere near my team.
Unless he's free and a bench player, maybe a bat off the bench for our playoff run. He's got a lot of veteran leadership and when that's your best quality it's not saying much.
you may want that but ownership has shown no signs of loosening the purse strings. It's a weak free agent class and if we aren't inclined to trade pitching I don't see it going your way.
Let's not forget Niese and Gee have some miles and injury history. TJ surgery isn't the death knell for a pitcher it once was by a long shot but until Harvey proves he IS Harvey that is still a wait and see situation.
I'm not saying the roster will be the same next season but let's just say I expect to see a lot of familiar faces.
See I disagree there too. I'm basically alone in thinking this and don't want to get into a payroll war, but I do believe the Mets have some flexibility. I think heading into this year Sandy was telling the truth when he admitted the payroll could max out around 105 million. I think its probably about the same for next year. With Harvey out, and a lot of players not ready yet, there wasn't really a point of adding a Drew for 15 million, ect. We will have some wiggle room this offseason and add another 18 million if we trade Colon with Young coming off the books. Sure a few guys will get paid more in arbitration but there is ZERO doubt in my mind we can add a Cargo and even another lesser player as well next year without batting an eyelash.
If we just sit back and wait on Nimmo and Conforto to get here, guys like Harvey/Wheeler will be hitting arbitration by then and the payroll will go up 20-25 million anyway. Makes no difference. Might as well go for it now.
Not sure if it was mentioned today because Im just getting home but does anyone else feel a sick bit of joy that Tampa looks to have gotten fleeced for Price?? Its not us paying them back but karma works in mysterious ways. lol. Ok maybe Im crazy.
Isn't a FA and owed 30 million. That's the guy you gamble on? Talent and money? He's been in decline for 2 years. He's 34, he's likely close to done and a 1b.
15 million a year to swisher is a HUGE amount for a team whose payroll will almost certainly be 85-95... They have 53 committed before they go
To arbitration with Murphy, duda, Parnell, Gee, eyj etc. add swisher and the 2015 mets are the 2014 mets plus swisher and Harvey and no other money to spend
But his actions support that there has been room. We would have had Drew if Boras caved. Sandy said over and over again he viewed Drew as a "10 millii dollar player" not a "15 million dollar player". We offered the most money on the market for Belfour. We did nothing with the money left over from trading Ike. I refuse to believe this team doesn't have a 15-20 million dollar buffer right now on top of the 18 million they are likely to clear.
actually. I think we might even be able to squeeze in a Lowrie or Hardy(both price tags shouldn't be crazy) and I'll be a happy man.
There is no way Sandy is at least not going to try to get Cargo and others though first though. He's clearly interested and has all but admitted it and every insider in the industry has said he has had dialogue already. He'll only get him on his terms though. Something like Matz and Nimmo should be enough. He's not trading Thor.
Did I say that's what I would
Do? Please show me where I said or implied this. I said I believe that's what he gets and believe he wi be a met in part because of
Need and part because he's close with Wrigjt
but Cuddyer and a Lowrie would be two solid adds as a consolation. Cuddyer has posted over a .800 ops 6 times and narrowly missed a 7th. He's solid and can hit for some pop and is best friends with Wright. None of that is bad.
offer 1 and 10. Maybe an option he can hit if he stays healthy, or maybe an option with a buyout. He's 35 and will be coming off injury. I don't think he's getting a big deal.
but how much more do we really need? I think most of us agree Harvey, A normal Wright year, and maybe Parnell has us in playoff contention right now. The first half of the year Familia, Mejia, Black, Wheeler, Duda, TDA, and deGrom weren't the players they are now and are likely to be heading into 2015. There will be improvement off that alone. Now add to more solid players to lengthen the lineup?? Ill be pretty happy.
Wheeler, Harvey, deGrom, Montero, Thor, Familia, Mejia black, Matz
Gee, Niese... the pitching is on the brink. The offense needs external help.
TDA continuing to improve, Wright not being 2014 version of Wright
They have plentiful legitimate young starting pitching, and some interesting young bullpen arms doing work.
And they still have Matt Harvey, who at his best is capable of being a top-5 starting pitcher.
That's the objective truth.
Sandy Alderson: "Significant" rather than "incremental" improvement would have required dealing young pitching.
and this:
Alderson said he wouldnt deal young pitching
They closed the first half with an 8-2 homestand, then finished a tough trip out of the break at 5-5 and just took the first series of this current homestand with a series win against the Phillies.
They are playing entertaining, solid baseball right now and Wheeler and deGrom starts are pretty dang fun. Also, Duda and d'Arnaud have come alive with the bat.
I'm enjoying watching this Mets team more than I have since 2008, and even more than that given that the future seems very bright to me.
If I was Sandy and under his budget, I'd fill one of those spots by trading 1 of Montero/Gee/Niese (as the centerpiece of a package), and who I trade for would be determined by the value on the trade market. The other spot I'd fill via FA based on the remaining budget and level of player they get in the trade. If I get CarGo in a deal with 1 of those guys as the centerpiece, I'm ok spending less at SS. Hopefully replenish some of the spare parts that need to get included in the deal with whatever Colon can bring back.
That said, if they were operating like a true NY franchise as they should be, the move would be to sign Hanley Ramirez or Mike Morse, or both.
As for acquiring a player?? The big bats didn't get moved and will likely get moved in the offseason. Do we really need a Ludwick right now?? Sandy clearly is in on Cargo and others. We'll get somebody in the offseason.
If we acquired a Cargo or Kemp I'd be fine going Flores/Reynolds/Tovar next year.
If we can't get the really big bat something like Cuddyer and Lowrie would be fine too.
We will have an elite rotation next year, and elite bullpen next year, and a middle of the lineup with Murphy, Wright, Granderson, Duda, Acquisition, and TDA is MORE than enough in the NL.
Why? just to keep the guys loose with clubhouse antics? He's not a good baseball player anymore. And he can't play D at all really. Isn't he a 1B/DH primarily?
Eh. See this I don't agree with. There's only so many bullets in a lot of these pitchers arms. On top of that they are going to be worth a fortune in a few years, could end up injured, ect. Having a rotation with Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Syndergaard, ect young, healthy, and making peanuts could blow up in any moment for a number of reasons. Likewise, Granderson, Wright, ect aren't getting younger. Next year I want the roster to look polished heading in. We are only a player or two away. Time to make a run.
Unless he's free and a bench player, maybe a bat off the bench for our playoff run. He's got a lot of veteran leadership and when that's your best quality it's not saying much.
Let's not forget Niese and Gee have some miles and injury history. TJ surgery isn't the death knell for a pitcher it once was by a long shot but until Harvey proves he IS Harvey that is still a wait and see situation.
I'm not saying the roster will be the same next season but let's just say I expect to see a lot of familiar faces.
Horrible player bad fit crappy defense and so on.
The only thing that counts is if he's better than the guy they have.
Tampa apparently likes Nick Franklin and maybe a new environment will lead to him finally displaying his offense at the big league level.
The 18-year-old kid they got is a hell of a talent. They can be patient so why not.
That's really not true. What counts is if getting a player is prudent given organizational depth, immediate and medium/longerm needs, and payroll.
To arbitration with Murphy, duda, Parnell, Gee, eyj etc. add swisher and the 2015 mets are the 2014 mets plus swisher and Harvey and no other money to spend
There is no way Sandy is at least not going to try to get Cargo and others though first though. He's clearly interested and has all but admitted it and every insider in the industry has said he has had dialogue already. He'll only get him on his terms though. Something like Matz and Nimmo should be enough. He's not trading Thor.
Plus we are still likely to add prospects or useful pieces from Colon, Murphy, possibly Neise or Gee.
2 year's $24 million? This team can't scrap two nickels together. No thanks.
Do? Please show me where I said or implied this. I said I believe that's what he gets and believe he wi be a met in part because of
Need and part because he's close with Wrigjt
Just saying it's not exactly exciting sign a 36 year old who will most likely have far lesser numbers than he did a year ago.
I'm so tired of these types of signings.
Plus, it's not out of the question that Tejada remains the SS next year. Gross.
This has Tommy John written all over it.