NFT: Mets stand pat and that's OK

for a Tulo, Cargo, maybe Kemp if they eat some salary but it has to be on Sandy's terms. I don't want to gut the farm we've tried so hard to build.

I believe we need more help than you do, obviously. If Duda and TdA continue to hit well, and Wright comes back to form...then we are in much better shape. I'd just like to see them do it a little longer to be comfortable with that assertion.

Out of the three you listed, I'd go after CarGo. I don't want to gut the system for Tulo (and he's a risky sign) and I don't want to go anywhere near Kemp.

they find a Dickerson/Calhoun before they breakout. That's the best/most realistic way for a low payroll team to improve like we need them to. That or gamble right on Tomas and pay him his 40-50 million over 6 years and be a "bargain" at that rate.

too but not sure Sandy's going all in on an unknown when we are adding a final piece or two and expecting to compete.

I wouldn't touch Kemp either unless the Dodgers are chipping in a good amount of money and in that case we are giving up big chips.

I'd be ok with adding a Dickerson/Calhoun but I honestly think the team will be ready to make a run next year. Granderson, Wright, Murphy, and even Duda will all be vets by this time next year. Adding a professional hitter like Cargo just seems smart at this current time.

The Mets can really go in a few different directions and Ill be happy. They really can't fuck it up. Too much good coming.

Montero & Reynolds for George Springer, that 's Left Field. I'm working on a SS trade

In comment 11789211 DanMetroMan said:

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they find a Dickerson/Calhoun before they breakout. That's the best/most realistic way for a low payroll team to improve like we need them to. That or gamble right on Tomas and pay him his 40-50 million over 6 years and be a "bargain" at that rate.

We're high revenue. Mets fans shouldnt even pretend that there isnt money available for major UFA signings. Fuck Sandy and the Coupons. Dont speak their language or mindset that it is okay for us to get outspent by 20 teams on a semi-permanent basis (I dont object to a targeted rebuild).

it's 2 different issues.

1. The Mets SHOULD be able to spend 120-130 million per year at MINIMUM (really more but at minimum)

2. They have made clear that isn't happening any time soon. So yeah, off-season dream scenarios where they add Hanley, Tomas, trade for CarGo etc sound great, it's fantasy for now. I agree, some have been brainwashed to "agree" with the low payroll stuff. "I don't want to overpay!" but it is what it is.

they go into 2015 being a LF & SS away from being a very good team.

Based on the return the Rays got, it seems very similar to a Mets package of montero, Plawecki, and Ahmed Rosario.

Cuddyer doesn't do it for me. Give me a guy with 30 HR power.

Seriously??? That sucks.

Once Mets fans even humor the Wilpons ridiculous spending levels, it becomes acceptable. We need to keep the pressure up. The talk, on the street, on WFAN/ESPN, and message boards, needs to be the consistent line that the Mets should easily be a top 10 spender, if not top 5. The Post/NYDN need to continue to just assume that the Mets can make full price acquisitions. The Mets and their management should have no piece of mind that their customers accept the bullshit they've been peddling.

So yes, I can discuss which ~$10 million player may look good this offseason. But I wont pretend for a second that the Mets shouldnt be in on the best UFAs.

then keeping tejeda/flores combo for SS and signing a lefty reliever to compliment the pen

Montero or Matz,plawecki and a lower level prospect

from the 85-90 mil this years payroll, is at to say 95 to 100 mil

Will Bryce Harper & Stephen Strasburg become the once in a generation players they were touted to be? It seems to me that the answer is a resounding no on Strasburg and I'm not so sure about Bryce Harper. Then again I thought last year that Giancarlo Stanton was an overrated .260 hitter

Still like the year of matching up wjth the cubs for one of Alcantara, Baez or Russell. They need pitching and catching and we have Plawecki and pitching

Leathersich has looked VERY good this year. He didn't do to well in Vegas last year but he looks to have seriously improved since then. Edgin, Rice, Eveland, ect should be fine with Leathersich joining the team sometime next year. Honestly, our bullpen is going to be stupid next year.

.800+ OPS at 19 and 20? SS I think is a good pitcher. Has been unlucky this year. Not a Kershaw/Harvey type bulldog. I can easily see him winning a Cy Young in a career season though. He's been somewhat unlucky this year -- advance stats indicate he should be better than his ERA/WHIP.

but don't think he would do it.

Matz/Plawecki and lower level sp prospect for cargo

thor + for russell

that the team refuses to spend money on good players who are worth it. They dropped dead weight and there were not many viable contracts worth signing. We'll see this offseason if they are willing to pay people. But no matter what, if some player wants a 8 year 220 mil contract, it won't make me cry if the team doesn't do that. Because fuck that. And there aren't many players worth that investment. If you're a relatively young hitter and are a FA, you may want to check out the young pitching that could be anchoring your team for a bit. May be worth your while to be the reason a team takes a step up.

In comment 11789248 arcarsenal said:

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Cuddyer doesn't do it for me. Give me a guy with 30 HR power.

Don't we all? Do these guys grown on trees? How many of those are around? Not giving you shit or anything but there is an increasingly limited amount of these players left around MLB.

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Will Bryce Harper & Stephen Strasburg become the once in a generation players they were touted to be? It seems to me that the answer is a resounding no on Strasburg and I'm not so sure about Bryce Harper. Then again I thought last year that Giancarlo Stanton was an overrated .260 hitter

looing at Harper lately its like he is trying to get traded with all his base running mistakes and lazy chasing after hits

In comment 11789288 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 11789248 arcarsenal said: Quote: Cuddyer doesn't do it for me. Give me a guy with 30 HR power. Don't we all? Do these guys grown on trees? How many of those are around? Not giving you shit or anything but there is an increasingly limited amount of these players left around MLB.

What I want is right to get back to at least 20 homers per year then add another 20 to 25 homer guy and were set

Is not once in a generation but he's still very good. His FIP suggests he's been unlucky. Misses a ton of bats, he's the kind of guy who next year goes 22-4 with a 2.40 era and wins cy young. I still fully believe in Harper but he needs to grow up. He says some really stupid shit and I think his ego holds him back. Like strasburg I could see a monster breakout. Once in a generation? I'd be betting on Harper over very good but not Godlike Strasburg.

Jose Abreu wasn't worth the money? Dude cost nothing BUT money and he's been a fucking monster.

Duda's emergence has turned 1B into an upgradeable spot to no hole at all but there's no way the Mets brass totally saw that coming. Not even being in on Abreu at all told me that they absolutely had money issues,

Interested in Castro. Very interested in one of their other 3 young SS.

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Still like the year of matching up wjth the cubs for one of Alcantara, Baez or Russell. They need pitching and catching and we have Plawecki and pitching

Alcantara for KP? I could add. Schwarber strictly OF? Im also selling on Montero -- I like him, but as of now he's our 5th most projectable AAA/MLB young RHP (Harvey, Wheeler, Thor, deGrom).

Sandy openly admitted it will be tough to fit in a huge money player given the current payroll restraints. Well see what happens in the offseason but the money stuff isn't fan created. It's legit

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In comment 11789248 arcarsenal said: Quote: Cuddyer doesn't do it for me. Give me a guy with 30 HR power. Don't we all? Do these guys grown on trees? How many of those are around? Not giving you shit or anything but there is an increasingly limited amount of these players left around MLB.

I'm well aware. You have to trade for one. Cuddyer as the "answer" in LF just is very "meh" to me. That's a guy who I believe will be thoroughly average away from Coors at this point in his career. He's 35 years old. That doesn't seem like much of a solution to me.

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Jose Abreu wasn't worth the money? Dude cost nothing BUT money and he's been a fucking monster. Duda's emergence has turned 1B into an upgradeable spot to no hole at all but there's no way the Mets brass totally saw that coming. Not even being in on Abreu at all told me that they absolutely had money issues,

sandy gets a pass on him since we did have ike and duda and he knew we had limited ability to add money best to spend it on awful OF from last year

Technically can't be traded for quite a while (plus the cubs love him) but he's an OF almost 100%. Cubs and Mets sure seem like potential trade partners on paper

The Mets GM pointed to the fact: “We’ve got a 20 and 15,’’ referring to the salaries of David Wright and Curtis Granderson.

He was asked: What about $20 (million), $20 (million) and $15 (million)?

Alderson, always ready with a quip about Mets’ finances, answered: “20, 20, 15 and what, 22 dwarfs?’’

In comment 11789300 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 11789294 arcarsenal said: Quote: Jose Abreu wasn't worth the money? Dude cost nothing BUT money and he's been a fucking monster. Duda's emergence has turned 1B into an upgradeable spot to no hole at all but there's no way the Mets brass totally saw that coming. Not even being in on Abreu at all told me that they absolutely had money issues, sandy gets a pass on him since we did have ike and duda and he knew we had limited ability to add money best to spend it on awful OF from last year

That's my entire point. It was about money. Neither Ike Davis or Lucas Duda at that point in time should have ever prevented us from pursuing Abreu. We lucked out a bit because of Duda's breaking out.. but if Duda was going to be this player, I would have dealt with him being a butcher in LF next to Lagares.

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Sandy openly admitted it will be tough to fit in a huge money player given the current payroll restraints. Well see what happens in the offseason but the money stuff isn't fan created. It's legit

team finishing strong and getting more people to come out to ballpark could help. That's probably why colon wasn't moved. I don't consider 54 mil over 3 years to be huge money, tulo's contract is huge money though

and if we can't get that I at least want some solid players but at what point are we trying to build that 2006 lineup again (aka the greatest lineup in Mets history)??? We have two players that should be in their prime that have hit 30 home runs multiple times in their careers. We have another hitter looking like he's going to hit 30+ home runs going forward out of thin air this year. We have another fantastic hitter all-star battling for the league in hits. We have one of the most promising young hitting catchers in the game.

How greedy do we have to be before we are happy? Our rotation next year will be bananas. Our bullpen next year will be bananas. Look at the lineups around the NL? We are going to be good next year. All Sandy talks about is how he is looking to upgrade the team if not now then the offseason. Unless disaster and injuries derails us we are going to be playing with the big boys next year.

In comment 11789305 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 11789300 CGiants07 said: Quote: In comment 11789294 arcarsenal said: Quote: Jose Abreu wasn't worth the money? Dude cost nothing BUT money and he's been a fucking monster. Duda's emergence has turned 1B into an upgradeable spot to no hole at all but there's no way the Mets brass totally saw that coming. Not even being in on Abreu at all told me that they absolutely had money issues, sandy gets a pass on him since we did have ike and duda and he knew we had limited ability to add money best to spend it on awful OF from last year That's my entire point. It was about money. Neither Ike Davis or Lucas Duda at that point in time should have ever prevented us from pursuing Abreu. We lucked out a bit because of Duda's breaking out.. but if Duda was going to be this player, I would have dealt with him being a butcher in LF next to Lagares.

I think it was all mental with Duda and he wouldn't have hit like this if he was still playing OF

the Mets can win with corner OFers of Granderson and Cuddyer if they shore up SS and Wright and TDA hit.

In the next year or two.

beyond that those guys are too old. Cuddyer is already 35 and Granderson is 33. Has a team been successful with a 38 and 35 year old starting corner OFer?

If Cuddyer is a two year (one - plus really) bridge to Conforto I'm ok with that.

More than trading a ton of prospects for a huge contract.

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and if we can't get that I at least want some solid players but at what point are we trying to build that 2006 lineup again (aka the greatest lineup in Mets history)??? We have two players that should be in their prime that have hit 30 home runs multiple times in their careers. We have another hitter looking like he's going to hit 30+ home runs going forward out of thin air this year. We have another fantastic hitter all-star battling for the league in hits. We have one of the most promising young hitting catchers in the game. How greedy do we have to be before we are happy? Our rotation next year will be bananas. Our bullpen next year will be bananas. Look at the lineups around the NL? We are going to be good next year. All Sandy talks about is how he is looking to upgrade the team if not now then the offseason. Unless disaster and injuries derails us we are going to be playing with the big boys next year.

as long as Harvey comes back close to what he was I think your right

Would really like to keep Thor and Matz, and to a lesser degree Nimmo. Can easily be talked out of Plawecki, Smith, Montero, particularly the later two. I know it is early, but the lack of power from Smith is very troubling. Is there a precedent for a successful 1B on a HR-less streak like this?

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My point was more, they have been open about having payroll constraints, this isnf just fans complaining. That quote is from 2 days ago . Sandy has acknowledged it on many occasions aka "the fans need to come out"

Because as it is, the Mets obviously aren't quite there yet.

Close. But not there. We aren't winning shit with this lineup. It has to be a little better.

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Would really like to keep Thor and Matz, and to a lesser degree Nimmo. Can easily be talked out of Plawecki, Smith, Montero, particularly the later two. I know it is early, but the lack of power from Smith is very troubling. Is there a precedent for a successful 1B on a HR-less streak like this?

its savannah no lefty hits for power there

Wasnt suggesting we trade for him. Was wondering if was a C prospect because that would reduce their need for KP.

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My point was more, they have been open about having payroll constraints, this isnf just fans complaining. That quote is from 2 days ago . Sandy has acknowledged it on many occasions aka "the fans need to come out"

I knew that was your point "Huge contract " is up for debate.

Even the cubs acknowledge he's most likely moving to LF next season

but we also know he's been calling Colorado telling them to absolutely make sure to call the Mets before they trade them. The payroll hasn't recovered from Madoff yet but he absolutely is working with a buffer and that's the way he likes it for now if I had to guess. Plus we are clearing a nice hunk of salary if Colon is gone with Young as well.

Cargo makes 15 million a year. We can add him in our sleep.

He's the same age Beltran was when we got him. I think he still has some good years in him if he can stay healthy. I guess Cuddyer is ok if you just want a bridge to Conforto but it's just very.. meh.. to me.

isn't my dream acquisition. After Cargo, Tulo, and maybe Kemp how many other guys are going to be available in a trade that even have 30 home run capability?? The market takes a severe step downwards once acquiring one of those doesn't work out. Free agency is likely to be very lame again and if that's the case I'll take Cuddyer and a Lowrie. He's a professional hitter and a hell of a lot better than what we've had. Probably a one year deal with an option until Nimmo/Conforto get here. I can live with that and keep all the kiddos. We were fine adding Alou at 40 because we were going for it, Cuddyer at 35/36 won't kill this team in anyway.