But relying even in part on Peyton Hillis and Daniel Fells concerns me...Yes the Giants made the playoffs with Ike Forte and Leon Bright and Gary Shirk and Tom Mullady in 1981 but when you look at the high powered offenses around the league they are relying on something more than journeymen.
Bad luck plays a part (i.e. Wilson) but who is to say even with elite speed he was going to be an elite back...when you don't draft well you are going to come up short in a few places without the cap dollars to compensate for all the issues.
If so, a damned shame from a football standpoint, but probably a major blessing with regard to the young man's health and quality if life going forward.
Personally, I wasn't expecting anything from Wilson this year
anyway and I still think we are good at RB. Jennings is a workhorse guy. He's a starter and a 3 down back. The one thing we don't know is if he can handle those duties for a full season. We have a rookie behind him that we really like and who's had a lot of success in the college level. Then we have a few safety blankets behind him. I don't see what people are concerned about. I still like our RB group.
Wilson was cleared for practice, so he practiced. It's unfortunate that he got hurt, but there's no guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten hurt after coming off the PUP list.
I absolutely loved the way this dude ran last year. He runs really hard and with a purpose. I think people are really going to like him when they see him in action. He does a lot of things really well too.
Last year there were some posters who suggested we target him as a FA and I didn't think it was realistic. I thought he'd garner much more attention as a FA as well as a much larger contract, but I'm pumped it happened. I enjoy the way he runs.
looks like he is in great shape too...seeing him run I was like who is this athletic looking free at RB. Much different tone than I remember from the Jacksonville days.
Nothing against Jennings, but all of the chatter I'd heard pointed to the Raiders re-signing him and letting McFadden walk. In fact, I remember hearing around Combine time that they'd already had a deal in place. Well...so much for the chatter.
but because he'd get too much money. The fact that the Raiders kept McFadden and let him walk is more proof that he's a guy I want. They are the dumbest organization in the sport(ok maybe not the dumbest, but up there). I'm just glad we got him.
he will always have that unless he gets surgery for it later in life to widen the spinal canal.
Fusion takes after a month or so and is technically healed 6-8 months. However, being medically cleared doesn't mean too much. Guys are medically cleared all the time and don't play. If they thought it was a longshot for him to play this year, why even have him start the season? Why not take your time and PUP him?
It makes no sense to me. Felt the same way with JPP. It isn't just about the bone. Its about the muscles, ligaments, mental psyche that all needs time to get back to speed.
The didn't think it was a long shot that he would play in July
Don't be surprised if Holliday is moved back to RB to do what Wilson was supposed to do.
Dave Meggett II
This is not a bad idea at all. he can't really catch the ball, but he has excellent vision and could take a hand off about 2 times a game. idk y they don't use him as a sproles type of roll. he is so small, he can be hard to locate for defenders. but maybe because he is a lot thinner than sproles
I doubt he suffered any damage on the play he got the stinger. It will either be chalked up to knocking the rust off or it will be deemed that he is not fit for contact sports.
I don't think additional time is going to help....but then again I am clearly talking out of my ass here
he's not 35. He so young and has so much time. The injury heals, and heals successfully at a high rate. Other older players have come back from this. He needs to take his time, and the team should take their time with him.
I'm really, really bummed about Wilson. He was the guy I wanted to see in this offense the most. Hopefully we get positive news on Monday, but.. obviously it doesn't look good right now.
I am a big fan of Jennings, though. He was the guy I wanted the Giants to target all along and I was absolutely thrilled when they landed him. I think he's going to be a guy Giant fans really like a lot. He doesn't have a lot of mileage on his wheels and he runs hard and can be a very good player if given a decent workload. Very excited about him.
he has a condition. he had surgery to treat the condition
That condition was hopefully mitigated by the surgery but it is not going away
Stenosis is a condition and that's not what he had surgery for. He had fusion, taking out the damaged discs. This also helps the stenosis in part as there are now less discs that can irritate the spinal cord.
The stenosis isn't keeping him from playing, or he would have never been cleared in the first place. Many athletes have stenosis. His issue will be getting full strength back, and taking hits in that area.
Overall, I'm willing to bet the doctors don't think he's at much more of a risk than any other player at RB. Healing time is critical though.
That said, I had already figured he was a long shot to be back, and I'm comfortable with Jennings, Hillis and Andre Williams carrying the load. I think Jennings is going to be a really good back and I think Hillis is better than most of BBI gives him credit for.
looks like the surgery was to correct a herniated disc
my bad (I did say I was talking out of my ass)
Haha, its certainly easy to confuse. The kid has been through a lot, which really sucks. I'm still holding out hope; not for this year, but for some sort of a career (hopefully next year).
Him taking a break from all the pressure of coming back ASAP would be recommendation #1 if I were a family member.
why wasn't he PUPed then if that's the case? That's the only part i'm pissed about. Injuries happen, but he shouldn't be taking contact yet.
Why would you PUP a guy who is cleared by doctors to practice? That doesnt make sense, and the players association would likely file a grievance over something like that
why wasn't he PUPed then if that's the case? That's the only part i'm pissed about. Injuries happen, but he shouldn't be taking contact yet.
Why would you PUP a guy who is cleared by doctors to practice? That doesnt make sense, and the players association would likely file a grievance over something like that
I don't know how it works logistically, to be honest. But the NFL has is taking a stand against head/neck injuries and I could easily see a workaround to get Wilson PUPed. But players that are cleared don't practice or play all the time. Wilson wouldn't lose any pay being PUPed so unless i'm missing something, what would the ramifications be if he agreed with it?
the second half of last year, when he was finally entrenched as the starter. He runs hard, has nice speed, and is very good in the passing game. He is someone I was hoping the Giants would target in FA and as soon as they did I thought they had their starting RB. So, I expect a very nice season from him. Wilson would be nice to have, but he also has done nothing to prove he could consistently contribute.
On the other hand, at least Hillis has shown good hands, good blocking, and he runs hard. He isn't a HR threat, but they don't need him to be. I think Brown will have a decent role in the offense by the second half of the season as well.
Bad luck plays a part (i.e. Wilson) but who is to say even with elite speed he was going to be an elite back...when you don't draft well you are going to come up short in a few places without the cap dollars to compensate for all the issues.
If so, a damned shame from a football standpoint, but probably a major blessing with regard to the young man's health and quality if life going forward.
Why PUP a guy who was medically cleared?
I'm no doctor but I dont think all the time in the world will make his spinal stenosis go away
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why wasn't he PUPed then if that's the case? That's the only part i'm pissed about. Injuries happen, but he shouldn't be taking contact yet.
Why PUP a guy who was medically cleared?
Because hindsight is 20/20.
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Give it one last chance next year and see what happens then. It would totally suck if his career was over or he got seriously injured.
The Giants have some good guys at RB for 2014 and Andre Williams can catch a ball.
Fusion takes after a month or so and is technically healed 6-8 months. However, being medically cleared doesn't mean too much. Guys are medically cleared all the time and don't play. If they thought it was a longshot for him to play this year, why even have him start the season? Why not take your time and PUP him?
It makes no sense to me. Felt the same way with JPP. It isn't just about the bone. Its about the muscles, ligaments, mental psyche that all needs time to get back to speed.
Dave Meggett II
Dave Meggett II
This is not a bad idea at all. he can't really catch the ball, but he has excellent vision and could take a hand off about 2 times a game. idk y they don't use him as a sproles type of roll. he is so small, he can be hard to locate for defenders. but maybe because he is a lot thinner than sproles
I doubt he suffered any damage on the play he got the stinger. It will either be chalked up to knocking the rust off or it will be deemed that he is not fit for contact sports.
I don't think additional time is going to help....but then again I am clearly talking out of my ass here
That condition was hopefully mitigated by the surgery but it is not going away
I am a big fan of Jennings, though. He was the guy I wanted the Giants to target all along and I was absolutely thrilled when they landed him. I think he's going to be a guy Giant fans really like a lot. He doesn't have a lot of mileage on his wheels and he runs hard and can be a very good player if given a decent workload. Very excited about him.
Pulling for Gaskins too. Look forward to seeing him a bit on Sunday to see if he can displace Hillis and/or Cox.
God forbid Williams fumbles a ball, or has TC changed?
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Never to old to jump on the bed "New york hittas the wildest"haha 😡😡😡"your neck" blah blah blah shut up
I guess he is not done with the flips....
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this is one of the videos I was talking about. There is another in a hotel room where he back flips onto his bed
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Can't wait to be back with my team again. Monday can't come fast enough http://instagram.com/p/rKZBJuDX1J/
That condition was hopefully mitigated by the surgery but it is not going away
Stenosis is a condition and that's not what he had surgery for. He had fusion, taking out the damaged discs. This also helps the stenosis in part as there are now less discs that can irritate the spinal cord.
The stenosis isn't keeping him from playing, or he would have never been cleared in the first place. Many athletes have stenosis. His issue will be getting full strength back, and taking hits in that area.
Overall, I'm willing to bet the doctors don't think he's at much more of a risk than any other player at RB. Healing time is critical though.
my bad (I did say I was talking out of my ass)
Now I'm starting to feel half as bad for myself as a fan due to the offense that has been implemented.
my bad (I did say I was talking out of my ass)
Haha, its certainly easy to confuse. The kid has been through a lot, which really sucks. I'm still holding out hope; not for this year, but for some sort of a career (hopefully next year).
Him taking a break from all the pressure of coming back ASAP would be recommendation #1 if I were a family member.
Why would you PUP a guy who is cleared by doctors to practice? That doesnt make sense, and the players association would likely file a grievance over something like that
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why wasn't he PUPed then if that's the case? That's the only part i'm pissed about. Injuries happen, but he shouldn't be taking contact yet.
Why would you PUP a guy who is cleared by doctors to practice? That doesnt make sense, and the players association would likely file a grievance over something like that
I don't know how it works logistically, to be honest. But the NFL has is taking a stand against head/neck injuries and I could easily see a workaround to get Wilson PUPed. But players that are cleared don't practice or play all the time. Wilson wouldn't lose any pay being PUPed so unless i'm missing something, what would the ramifications be if he agreed with it?
On the other hand, at least Hillis has shown good hands, good blocking, and he runs hard. He isn't a HR threat, but they don't need him to be. I think Brown will have a decent role in the offense by the second half of the season as well.
worry about OL
worry about OL