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LIVE UPDATES: August 1, 2014 New York Giants Training Camp

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 10:34 am
Todays Schedule:

11:15 a.m. 12:15 p.m. Players Interviews
1:20 p.m. 3:30 p.m. Practice
After Practice Tom Coughlin available on field



LIVE UPDATES: August 1, 2014 New York Giants Training Camp - ( New Window )
Is this going to be anything more than a walk-through?  
njm : 8/1/2014 10:38 am : link
With the game on Sunday.
I was thinking about running down to practice with my kids..  
JCin332 : 8/1/2014 10:39 am : link
Does anybody know if this will just be a walk through practice since they are playing Sunday night?

If so will probably wait till next week..thanks in advance for any info..
Probably  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 10:53 am : link
more of a walk thru, but we'll see soon.
ok thanks Eric  
JCin332 : 8/1/2014 10:54 am : link
will wait till next week..
it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 11:50 am : link
seems as if Connor is the only one working today!
Beatty looks to be practicing today  
ZogZerg : 8/1/2014 1:40 pm : link
Good news
bad news  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 1:41 pm : link
no sight of Ayers.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 1:47 pm : link
no signs of Bennett Jackson either.

Ughhh.
Got a thunderstorm coming through 9 miles north of camp  
njm : 8/1/2014 1:49 pm : link
Any precipitation down there?
this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:03 pm : link
is more than a walk-thru...lot's of action.
Marcus  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:04 pm : link
Harris with two TDs.
Is it me  
Andy in Boston : 8/1/2014 2:10 pm : link
Or is Eli throwing alot of picks at camp???
Well, there you go  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/1/2014 2:15 pm : link
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
Likely because Beatty won't play Sunday night in HOF game RT @Connor_J_Hughes: Charles Brown in with first team at LT, not Beatty #Giants
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:24 pm : link
Nassib having another good day.
Andy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:25 pm : link
no.

If there were no picks, you'd be complaining about the DBs.
Robinson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:26 pm : link
making some noise.
Love hearing positives coming from Nassib.  
LI NHB : 8/1/2014 2:32 pm : link
Would love for him to win the job outright over Painter, rather than having to waste a roster spot on him because of where he was drafted.
Is Harris...  
BillKo : 8/1/2014 2:39 pm : link
the guy nicknamed Soup?

Add him to the list of guys I'm anxious to see play on Sunday.
Probably right move...  
BillKo : 8/1/2014 2:40 pm : link
holding out Beatty. They'll still have four preseason games, plus he's coming off injury.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:41 pm : link
Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 1m
Good news on Bennett Jackson, hearing it's just a sprain, and not a serious one. Should be back in action soon. #nyg
BillKo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:41 pm : link
Yes, Connor did a feature article on Harris.
Harris could be the next Victor Cruz, as he alluded to...  
Klaatu : 8/1/2014 2:46 pm : link
Or he could be the next David Douglas. He's making a pretty strong case for sticking, though. Seems like every day he's catching a TD pass from somebody.
RE: Well, there you go  
speedywheels : 8/1/2014 2:48 pm : link
In comment 11790133 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
Likely because Beatty won't play Sunday night in HOF game RT @Connor_J_Hughes: Charles Brown in with first team at LT, not Beatty #Giants


Beatty won't play Sunday? That's a bummer...
Eric  
Chicken Teriyaki Boy : 8/1/2014 2:50 pm : link
Would it be possible to get these updates posted in a thread like they used to be? It's a pain having to click on all these links and scroll through the Twitter feed in this new format.
Chicken Teriyaki Boy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 2:51 pm : link
I don't understand you post. Simply go to live updates and the tweets roll past you automatically...you don't even have to be on twitter.
Beatty has some kind of undisclosed illness.  
Klaatu : 8/1/2014 2:53 pm : link
It's probably best to have him sit this one out.
Beatty was diagnosed with  
Headhunter : 8/1/2014 2:57 pm : link
cantrunblockitis
It's harder to read and follow  
Chicken Teriyaki Boy : 8/1/2014 2:57 pm : link
that way. Especially when trying to scroll through on a mobile device.

The new format also seems like it generates less discussion.
CTB, the LIVE UPDATES feature is the greatest thing since sliced bread  
Klaatu : 8/1/2014 3:02 pm : link
If it doesn't generate much discussion, that's because people are still used to posting in the thread on the board. Hopefully, that will change.
Chicken Teriyaki Boy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 3:12 pm : link
We'll agree to disagree. It's 100x easier to read and follow than the old cut and paste jobs.
and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 3:13 pm : link
no thread on BBI seems to generate much football discussion anymore.

You'd think it was the middle of the offseason around.

Giants fans seem to be more interested in non-football stuff.
also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 3:16 pm : link
the live updates allows pictures and video, which the tweet cut and paste jobs obviously can't do.
I could see how it wouldn't work  
Blue Baller : 8/1/2014 3:28 pm : link
on a mobile device but I think its better for a desktop

It would be nice if you could see the top tweet and the comments section in the same screen without scrolling.

Perhaps shorten the twitter feed box and replace eric's bio with the comment entry box
Baller  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 3:38 pm : link
we know we need a better comments section.
or maybe  
Blue Baller : 8/1/2014 3:47 pm : link
you do it side by side

again with the comment entry on top as opposed to the bottom

just a thought
Unfortunately I can't view the Live Updates  
SwirlingEddie : 8/1/2014 3:57 pm : link
from work. I'll try it again once I get home.
I also  
Metnut : 8/1/2014 4:03 pm : link
have trouble viewing the live updates from my work computer or on a mobile device. It worked better for me when the updates were on the corner forum.
Re:Discussion  
Dodge : 8/1/2014 4:13 pm : link
The reason why you're not generating any discussion is because you're fragmenting your userbase with every single update/post that you do.

1) Your front page is not very user-friendly at all and I'm not sure you even allow comments on any of your articles.

2) Everyone is used to commenting in a thread for better discussion and they've been doing this for almost two decades.

3) Live updates in a thread allow people to comment on them as they come in. Live updates in a twitter widget is passive and people aren't going to stare at it all day. It also could be disabled on some work computers. Mobile seems to be broken.

You're doing a great job expanding your coverage with all the new articles, but you are not monetizing properly and it's 100% because your web design, layout and traffic patterns are just not up to par.

If you want to foster discussion then you need to decide whether or not you want to use a comments section or a forum. Not both. If you want your forum to grow beyond the same people who've been here for 20 years, you need to design and implement some pretty common forum tools, like being able to go to the last "read" post so people can come in and out of threads and check up on them, or even reply to people easily.

Anyway, it's your site and if I was a judge of things you shouldn't need a donation drive to support the site with the amount of traffic you get.
RE: Re:Discussion  
Del Shofner : 8/1/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11790324 Dodge said:
Quote:
The reason why you're not generating any discussion is because you're fragmenting your userbase with every single update/post that you do.



I can't speak to some of the technical aspects of running a website, but "fragmented" does seem like a good word to describe a BBI user's experience for this training camp. One thing about the live feed is that the tweets have nothing to do with each other. There's one about Strahan, then one about Eli, then one about Beatty, then one about someone else. A tweet about the HOF, then one about a rookie's ankle sprain. It's not a discussion, just information coming in a fairly random manner. I don't find it easy to read, not in terms of reading it on the screen, but in terms of there being any flow to the information. The forum, on the other hand, is organized by topic. I think everyone's trying to follow what's happening at training camp but it's harder to have a discussion about it.
agreed  
bronxct1 : 8/1/2014 4:41 pm : link
I think the site could use a revamp to make things a bit easier to find and use. I'd be glad to donate some of my time to helping you out with it.

The live updates are great, much easier to keep track of at work.
I freely admit I'm an idiot  
fkap : 8/1/2014 4:57 pm : link
at the computer, but, doesn't hitting the last post function organize the posts in the sequence in which someone last posted on them? I use it to refresh the live updates and simply remember what time I started reading so I know where to pick up.

then again, I'm on a regular computer, not a mobile device (whatever the hell that is) so maybe I'm outta the loop. are there updates I'm missing?
Been developing in PHP for  
giantgiantfan : 8/1/2014 5:04 pm : link
8 years and know some SEO as well. No prob helping out FYI. I agree the site shouldn't need a donation drive. I assume this thing gets lots of traffic.
RE: Been developing in PHP for  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/1/2014 5:10 pm : link
In comment 11790371 giantgiantfan said:
Quote:
8 years and know some SEO as well. No prob helping out FYI. I agree the site shouldn't need a donation drive. I assume this thing gets lots of traffic.


Surprised that the Giants would not donate something for "advertising". Especially since we are providing back links to their site, etc etc
fkap  
Blue Baller : 8/1/2014 5:13 pm : link
the live updates are on another page

They set up a widget that streams tweets as they are made. Follow the link at the beginning of this thread
Didn't even realize this LIVE UPDATES thing  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/1/2014 5:20 pm : link
Not a fan, to be honest. I preferred it when the tweets were posted on here and it sparked discussion. Maybe I'm just a guy that doesn't like change. I understand the reason for change though. Must be a hell of a lot easier to let a widget post the tweets than some guy copy/pasting every tweet onto here.

No wonder there hasn't been much discussion around here. I feel like a good portion of BBI relied on those "post tweets here" threads as discussion points.
RE: Been developing in PHP for  
bronxct1 : 8/1/2014 5:36 pm : link
In comment 11790371 giantgiantfan said:
Quote:
8 years and know some SEO as well. No prob helping out FYI. I agree the site shouldn't need a donation drive. I assume this thing gets lots of traffic.


Good to know theres some other PHP dev Giant fans around here!
The feedback  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 6:28 pm : link
is great, but you guys know where to reach Gary and I. If you really want to help. E-mail us.
When  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 6:34 pm : link
I cut and paste the tweets within the threads, there were very few comments on them as well. Maybe 10-15 at the end of the day - that's it.

Most registered BBI'ers simply don't like talking football - at least until the game start.
Actually Eric...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/1/2014 7:00 pm : link
I spent a too much time looking for your email the other day, and finally gave up. Not sure where you are keeping it on the site anymore. You might want to put it in your profile.

My feedback was that I like yah new format, and one feature would greatly enhance it. If you could add a sort feature that would be wonderful. I sometimes have the luxury of following along live, but mostly read at the end of the day, and I really enjoy when I can read chronologically top to bottom. As is I have to scroll to the bottom, load more posts (continually) and then work my way back up.

FWIW, I also haven't been able to find older "Live Updates:". Are you archiving them? I know that we have camp reports, and I rely on them, but it was always nice to be able to go through the thread each day if I was too tied up for a couple of days. The net effect is a feeling that I lost a few camp practices over the first bit of camp. This in turn makes me less likely to comment on football threads as I have more of an "out of the loop" feeling than before.

Thanks as always for all you do - BBI is still the best on the web!
Dan in the Springs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 7:22 pm : link
You can sort posts...you have had this ability to do that for years...you can sort by started by, views, posts, last post.

Secondly, contact information is in the link of the footer of on every page of this website (as is the industry norm). It is also linked in the "Home/Contact Us" section on the menu bar of every page.
Thanks Eric...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/1/2014 7:37 pm : link
Not sure how I missed the link at the bottom of every page. Appreciate it.

Regarding sorts, I meant sort the twitter feed in the live update page. Not sure if what you have there is a widget or something, but if there were a chance to hit sort, oldest tweet first, that would be amazing.
Dan  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/1/2014 8:30 pm : link
that I don't know. I can ask. Twitter usually works from latest to oldest.
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