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NFT: Paul George just may have snapped his leg

dep026 : 8/1/2014 10:33 pm
Very Kevin Ware from Louisville like.

Definitely do not look at replays if you have a weak stomach.
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I really feel for  
sshin05 : 8/1/2014 11:17 pm : link
Paul George. Freak injury really. His career is in jeopardy and this sucks for USA basketball.
look for mark cuban these next couple days  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/1/2014 11:21 pm : link
Pounding his chest and reminding us how much of a genius he is for being critical of sending over their investments. That is if he cant find a way to blame the refs
That was absolutely stomach churning  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2014 11:30 pm : link
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Mark Stein  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/1/2014 11:40 pm : link
RT @MarkJonesESPN: All you need to know about seriousness of Paul George's injury is I'm looking at Kyrie Irving sobbing in his Dad's arms
I will never ever forget that as long as I live  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/1/2014 11:46 pm : link
Its about as surreal a moment as ive ever seen watching basketball given the setting, the caliber of the player, its shear gruesomeness and the ensuing calling of the game and addressing of the crowd. It almost doesnt feel real. I will never forget watching this
Saw it once and once was enough  
Anakim : 8/1/2014 11:46 pm : link
Prayers and thoughts are with Paul George. Absolutely awful for a great, young player and person
espn doc says 9 to 12 months  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/1/2014 11:52 pm : link
Thats a season ender
You'd have to think  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/1/2014 11:53 pm : link
Beatty's knee injury was described as bad, and it wasn't this.

And he missed, what, 7 months?

This looks like a Shaun Livingston, Rich Seubert type of injury.
you could pretty much diagnose a season ender when it happened  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/1/2014 11:58 pm : link
Only thing that would have given me pause is that its the first week in august. But from the way this sounds, shouldnt expect to see him this season
Well, I watched it,  
81_Great_Dane : 8/2/2014 12:09 am : link
and yeah, be careful if you have a weak stomach. There are things you can't un-see.

For those of us who are a little older, it was Theisman-esque. Haven't heard it was a compound fracture. Thank goodness for small blessings.

That's got to be career threatening. They're probably going to have to do major surgery to put his lower leg back together, and he'll have to recover from the surgery as well as the break. Ugh.

Just horrible.  
Vin R : 8/2/2014 12:22 am : link
It's going to be an interesting season for the Pacers. Losing PG for the season & Stephenson going to Charlotte.
very upsetting.  
J Dot : 8/2/2014 12:32 am : link
I'm a Knicks fan but very much enjoy watching dude play. Hate to see it.
a lottery season  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 12:32 am : link
They already struggled offensively and now lost their two best offensive players. They now have about the worst collection of offensive talent youre ever gonna see. They may be historic bad on that end. Theyll probably still defend even without george but 30 odd wins tops. Bird should just blow it up
Paul George worked very hard and came a long way.  
Ira : 8/2/2014 1:59 am : link
I hope he recovers full health.
horrible horrible horrible  
RasputinPrime : 8/2/2014 5:43 am : link
my prayers to him and his loved ones. If you haven't seen it you don't need to.
Taking a marco approach (mainly because I can't think about injury)  
bhill410 : 8/2/2014 6:47 am : link
Do you think think this injury had an effect on the willingness of players to play in international tournaments? Specifically the Olympics?
RE: Taking a marco approach (mainly because I can't think about injury)  
dpinzow : 8/2/2014 8:46 am : link
In comment 11790712 bhill410 said:
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Do you think think this injury had an effect on the willingness of players to play in international tournaments? Specifically the Olympics?


The NBA owners are going to be very reluctant at this point; the players love to play for country but those owners have to be extremely worried that their stars will get hurt
anyone who wants to see it google  
pjcas18 : 8/2/2014 8:56 am : link
it, it's a bad injury, no doubt about it. but not as gruesome as the posts here make it out to be.
Is it just me or did the base of that basket look closer than usual?  
steve in ky : 8/2/2014 10:12 am : link
At first glance of the replay my first thought was that the base of the basket didn't give him the usual room to come down which caused his foot to connect with it.
SC  
giantsfan44ab : 8/2/2014 10:19 am : link
Said the base was 4 feet closer than on a normal court.
If that is true that is insane  
steve in ky : 8/2/2014 10:27 am : link
First thing I thought was why is the base so close but four feet? Someone really screwed up with that one. That is almost begging for an injury of some sort.
RE: anyone who wants to see it google  
kmed : 8/2/2014 11:21 am : link
In comment 11790751 pjcas18 said:
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it, it's a bad injury, no doubt about it. but not as gruesome as the posts here make it out to be.


WTF are you talking about? That's a brutally disguisting injury to watch. His leg snaps in half as all of his body pressure is still on the broken bone and then you just see it flopping like it's a loose piece of clothing.
RE: RE: anyone who wants to see it google  
pjcas18 : 8/2/2014 12:03 pm : link
In comment 11790819 kmed said:
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In comment 11790751 pjcas18 said:


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it, it's a bad injury, no doubt about it. but not as gruesome as the posts here make it out to be.



WTF are you talking about? That's a brutally disguisting injury to watch. His leg snaps in half as all of his body pressure is still on the broken bone and then you just see it flopping like it's a loose piece of clothing.


I don't know I didn't find it that gruesome to the point I needed to warn others they didn't need to see it.

Seems like your run of the mill lineman gets leg rolled up on, leg is on he ground lineman is standing up type injury. gruesome, but not enough I felt it had to be filtered so others wouldn't be exposed to such gore.
I surely did not have the same  
kmed : 8/2/2014 12:13 pm : link
reaction as you, but you are clearly way tougher than the average Joe.
RE: I surely did not have the same  
pjcas18 : 8/2/2014 12:24 pm : link
In comment 11790837 kmed said:
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reaction as you, but you are clearly way tougher than the average Joe.


But of course I am...Look, I read all the replies "don't watch this, don't watch this, you don't need to see this...."

so I watched the video expecting theismann-like or pucks in the face like the image below and I saw something less that. It reminded me of Novarro Bowman

don't know what to tell you, it's not a contest.



^^^Probably didn't miss a shift.  
kmed : 8/2/2014 12:29 pm : link
Meanwhile George couldn't even walk off the floor and will probably miss a whole season. Hockey players are so much tougher than bball players.
If it's not a contest  
giantsfan44ab : 8/2/2014 12:41 pm : link
why are you posting pics of comparisons?
It is no  
Mike in NY : 8/2/2014 12:43 pm : link
Clint Malarchuk
just saw a tweet  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 2:59 pm : link
Doc that treated kevin ware said this could take up to 18 months, minimum of a year.

woj is tweeting quotes from gms saying this is a game changer for star participation. Obviously team usa wouldnt be the only team effected by this if it happens, because all of these other countries are loaded with nba talent too. But the quality and state of our college game still lags well behind the play in the euroleague which is populated by guys who would still be eligible

really hope they dont overreact to this. A lot is being made of the placement of the stansion being closer too. But these guys ball all summer long in gyms and on campuses across america in pickup games, and not every where is nba regulation in every facet. This could have happened anywhere.
with the way the ncaa has been raped by early entrees  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 3:39 pm : link
Even the big name one and done guys (who would be 18 against grown men) couldnt play unless you were going to play them straight out of hs. The team would be populated by 2nd and 3rd tier college prospects, unaffiliated d league players, and guys like aaron craft (ie the college lifer)

Our ncaa talent pool has plummetted over the past 25 years while foreign talent has grown exponentially. Theres no 1984 anymore when we are sending college juniors and seniors with hall of fame upside against countries that were new to the game and still lagging way behind in participation rates.
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JBGiants : 8/2/2014 3:51 pm : link
Pj is either trolling or saw the wrong video.
RE: we are already hearing some of the talk I alluded to  
MetsAreBack : 8/2/2014 4:53 pm : link
In comment 11790651 MarshallOnMontana said:
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And colangelo and k are being peppered with questions about the ramafacations

it would be completely dumb to overthink this given this could literally happen anywhere at any time, but theres one pissed billionaire out there tonight and several of his partners who see themselves as just as vulnerable. Some guys were already outspoken before tonight, this ramps that up



As it should. Outside of the Olympics this isn't necessary at all. We made our point - the world knows that US has the best basketball when you include the pros. So what if college kids get pasted (and some combination of college kids and decent, but not superstar pros, would certainly not get pasted).

I cant think of a single good reason to send our very best overseas pretty much every single offseason. to gain more exposure? Please. To measure our dicks yet again? Please.

It's a pretty simple case, again excluding Olympics.
there is no reason not to send our best  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 5:12 pm : link
If injuries are the concern they can happen anywhere, and we are talking about a sample of one in two decades

in addition to the exposure, there is also a massive benefit to be gained in superstar development among the younger players on the team. Almost all young talent that goes through the practices and experiences of that summer surrounded by the established vets benefits greatly from the experience and raises their game. It happens almost every single time.
paul george himself  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 5:22 pm : link
Saw his development skyrocket after being on the select squad a couple years back. For the john walls and kyrie irvings and cousins and drummonds of the world, this is an invaluable experience practicing against this caliber talent all summer

RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 8/2/2014 5:39 pm : link
In comment 11790965 JBGiants said:
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Pj is either trolling or saw the wrong video.


of course I'm trolling because I don't agree with 100% of the people on the thread. Absolutely.

It was a horrific injury, not debating that, I'll even admit it was grotesque, but it didn't require the censorship IMO. Some of the "i almost puked when I saw it" replies, yeah, I found those over the top.

call me radar, call me a tough guy, whatever, I hope he recovers, and if anyone wants to see what he's dealing for the next 12 - 18 months or whatever it takes, google it, you will be expecting worse like I was based on the replies.

and my reaction is most likely this way, because I found out about it first here and all the what I'll call hyperbole, so naturally I was expecting a theisman or stamkos.
RE: just saw a tweet  
glowrider : 8/2/2014 5:45 pm : link
In comment 11790928 MarshallOnMontana said:
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really hope they dont overreact to this. A lot is being made of the placement of the stansion being closer too. But these guys ball all summer long in gyms and on campuses across america in pickup games, and not every where is nba regulation in every facet. This could have happened anywhere.


Agree that a freak injury can Absolutely occur anywhere. But, when you have 10 nba stars playing on one court at a time it is not the same as showing up to the West 4th st courts for a surprise pickup game. The nature of this injury is directly related to the organized professional competition, speed/intensity of the game, and yes, the placement and wrapping of the basket.

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I have a weak stomach, I'm including a link that has a replay of the vid but a little blur over the lower leg. You can definitely get an idea of the snap, but it's veiled and the reaction of the team and K are on there.
Pg-13 Replay of the injury - ( New Window )
not to belabor this point  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 5:50 pm : link
But rose and durant both saw team usa action for the first time in 2010. Built off that experience and took major jumps the ensuing season, both leading teams to the conference final as infants and rose became the youngest mvp ever. All of those seeds were planted in summer 2010 which no doubt accelerated their development. Look at lebrons year 1 to 2 jump after his first olympic experience, his next big breakthrough didnt occur again until the next olympics 4 years later when he finally embraced the defensive end of the floor. Melos arguably two best seasons came after olympic campaigns, only years he ever won anything at least. Anthony davis historic level of play for his age was no doubt helped by summers with team usa. Kevin love, cp3, there are so many examples. Wade had his best season after an olympic summer too

its the best work these guys can do in an offseason, especially the young players
This sort of competition is an opportunity for stars  
glowrider : 8/2/2014 5:56 pm : link
To develop their game as regular members of a team. For once these guys aren't the biggest star on the floor and don't have to carry their team completely. Practice isn't all about getting so and so the open look. I'm sure a ton of the typical pressure is lifted off these guys and it's back to basketball fundies with Coach K. The style of play reflects this as well, IMO.

Anthony Davis was on the '12 team, I remember articles and commentary that playing for USA was like grad school for basketball.
glowrider  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 5:57 pm : link
He is playing against other nba players in the summer time somewhere. Hes going back to his college campus and running with d1 talent too. Growing up every offseason I would read about the legendary pick up games at georgetown when all the hoya centers would get together and go back. Guys play to improve their game, maintain conditioning and they go hard. Maybe chase down block attempts are less apt to take place, but anything can happen. Basketball players play basketball. Kevin durant is showing up on concrete playgrounds across america

I really hope they dont overreact to one injury
Did John and Ringo  
Some Fan : 8/2/2014 5:59 pm : link
snap legs too?
Playing for team USA  
dep026 : 8/2/2014 6:00 pm : link
is probably the safest route many of these guys can go. Between work outs, pick up games, 5-5s.... NBA players play a TON of basketball during the offseason..

At least with team NBA. Minutes are limited, better coaching, and now better medical staff on site.
I'm agreeing with you, mostly. This was a showcase game and  
glowrider : 8/2/2014 6:04 pm : link
as you just said, this play probably isn't happening in other situations.

I think having a full 5 on 5 superstar talent is a unique situation. They may go off and play with some other pros or top prospects, but the motivations and circumstances probably don't match this particular billing.

Any way you slice it, it's a horrible, but freak, injury.
RE: Playing for team USA  
glowrider : 8/2/2014 6:05 pm : link
In comment 11791067 dep026 said:
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is probably the safest route many of these guys can go. Between work outs, pick up games, 5-5s.... NBA players play a TON of basketball during the offseason..

At least with team NBA. Minutes are limited, better coaching, and now better medical staff on site.


They also don't wear targets on their back. Taking on pros and "proving yourself" is a great past time of loudmouths.
RE: RE: Playing for team USA  
dep026 : 8/2/2014 6:20 pm : link
In comment 11791074 glowrider said:
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In comment 11791067 dep026 said:


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is probably the safest route many of these guys can go. Between work outs, pick up games, 5-5s.... NBA players play a TON of basketball during the offseason..

At least with team NBA. Minutes are limited, better coaching, and now better medical staff on site.



They also don't wear targets on their back. Taking on pros and "proving yourself" is a great past time of loudmouths.


1. His injury happened on a routine play.
2. I guarantee some pick up games have more intensity than the games team USA plays.
RE: RE: RE: Playing for team USA  
glowrider : 8/2/2014 6:30 pm : link
In comment 11791085 dep026 said:
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1. His injury happened on a routine play.
2. I guarantee some pick up games have more intensity than the games team USA plays.


Even routine plays aren't always routine, and this wasn't USA vs Fiji, these guys were playing against themselves and trying to impress. Again, only saying that this specific injury resulted from a specific set of circumstances.
Tim. Hardaway rj wrote an article before the injury  
glowrider : 8/2/2014 6:47 pm : link
About his time in. Vegas with the team and how it improved his game by being exposed to top coaches and players.
Link - ( New Window )
I would watch FIBA  
giantsfan44ab : 8/2/2014 8:57 pm : link
If it were more competitive. While all the points you bring up MoM are valid, the FIBA and even olympic basketball doesnt intrigue me that much and I consider myself a huge basketball fan. Just knowing that the top 15 players in the world are on one team makes it less interesting. If the USA team was full of top rookies or even college players it would make it more intriguing for fans here and abroad to watch.

The point you bring up about players like Melo and Wade having their best seasons in olympic is a good one, but don't you think it could just be coincidence that they are in their prime of their careers and are only getting better? And if it helps stars develop into better players, don't you think it would be even more worthwhile to play rookies and sophomores who don't see as much playing time early their careers to take on bigger roles against fierce completion. At least keep it like that until international competition improves enough where it would be nearly impossible to have a team of rookies to compete with other countries.

I doubt this happens but I think it would make it more interesting.
Essentially what I'm saying  
giantsfan44ab : 8/2/2014 8:58 pm : link
Is to put the USA select team as out actual team.
44ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/2/2014 9:27 pm : link
Most of the developmental benefit im talking about doesnt actually occur in the games, but in the training camp and practices battling against each other and working with top coaches. A guy like paul george benifitted from his select team experience battling guys like lebron and durant daily heading into the 12 olympics, observing their work ethic up close, picking their brains etc. Im not sure him having battled with similarly developing prospects would have nearly the same benefit

I cant speak for every single occurance of accelerated development and tieit directly to the experience. But I have zero doubt that it has benefitted careers. And its the guys themselves making these claims. And it makes nothing but perfect sense that daily competition amongst the best in the world would do nothing but help a guys game
I agree with that  
giantsfan44ab : 8/2/2014 9:48 pm : link
what I was suggesting was irrelevant of the injury. Even if more stars withdraw in the future I can't see all if them doing so. I would just like to see the young guys in the US competing with the rest of the world though.
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