Next Giant to get inducted in Canton?

He will retire sooner.

I think Eli gets in but if Eli doesn't win one more, he waits a long long time

seasons like last season he becomes a definite maybe

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once he retires and is eligible. As for Eli, based on 2 super bowl wins and mvp awards along with the yardage and TD stats he will amass before he retires, he should get in as well. While there are memebers of the media that like to knock him, the Manning name, 2 Super Bowl wins, consecutive starts streak and the yardage and TD stats should be enough. If, he gets 1 more super bowl under his belt, he will be a lock for Canton. Let me re-phrase that, when he gets 1 more super bowl under his belt.

Go G-men!

Jeff Feagles????

and i think of him as more of a lock as the years go by. He's no longer thought of by the media (thus, the voters) as a jerk, which will help him (it shouldn't matter either way, but it does). The fact that Eli isn't thought highly of is an advantage for TC, too, because people see that he's won two rings with a QB not on the level of a Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, etc.

More to the point, his accomplishments merit enshrinement.

for another decade...

Rolle - no shot.

Eli - litmus test, does anybody ever look at him and say, "now that's a great player". I don't think so. To me, youre talking about an average player + the two chips. The two chips are awesome but let's not go crazy elevating that player's legacy because of it. Sure, elevate the legacy over a Romo type, but not to HOF consideration.

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I think of a great player




not- I think of 1 moment

He will have at least a one year head start on TC.


Others who are questionable:

Simms
Oates
Banks

TC is a lock when he finally retires, but probably not first-ballot.

As much as I love Eli, I really don't see him getting in easily unless he wins another SB.

And I would bet my mortgage that his candidacy is heavily debated. He hasn't won a playoff game here besides 07 and 11. He missed the playoffs 4 of 5 years, and let's be frank, this team is far from a lock to end that streak. He is a very good coach, but I am not sure how he is a lock. If you put a gun to my head, I would say Yes if this is his last year. If the Giants continue to slide and he coaches 2 or 3 more years, the case becomes worse and worse.

Are the only remotely viable considerations. Snee is not a Hall of Famer by any measurement, IMO. If a guy like Snee deserves to get in, then why wouldn't Jessie Armstead (who by most accounts doesn't stand a chance.

Snee - 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All Pro
Armstead - 5x Pro Bowler, 4x All Pro

Snee's two rings are the only reason people even discuss it.

I think TC is the next one in, and deservedly so.

both on here and in conversations with Giants and non-Giants fans, but I'm taking a break from that. I need the dude to help me out by not leading the league in picks every time I look up. I still love the guy, but I agree he still has some work to do on the Hall of Fame front.

Though I think TC has a better shot.

and the work TC did with that expansion franchise when considering TC's chances. Starting a team from scratch and leading it to the AFC championship game in their 2nd season plus 2 Super Bowl wins as head coach of NYG (beating one of the greatest coach/QB combos both times) along with his longevity and philanthropic ventures while being in the league will get him in the HOF. Maybe not first ballot, but he will get in.

are tough to call. So many people say Logan Mankins is a shoe-in, and i realize he's still playing and has been part of some prolific offenses, but from an accolade standpoint Chris Snee is right there with him and has more rings.

I don't think Snee gets in, but that Mankins gets so much considerations means Snee should too.

obvious choice

If you win 2 Superbowls with what most people claim is a cast of nobodies and a below average QB (that's the perception), you're a Hall of Fame coach. Add in his time in Jacksonville and I think he's Canton bound.

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... Eli probably needs to do more.

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Simms

It would be great if the veterans committee gave consideration to guys like Len Younce, Charlie Conerly and Jimmy Patton.

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Simms

Simms is never getting in

Loved Simms as a kid, but he's not a Hall of Famer.

or coaching staff based on current stats and current state of careers. It all changes if we win another Super Bowl with Eli at QB and TC as HC.

In comment 11795098 nygfaninorlando said:

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and the work TC did with that expansion franchise when considering TC's chances. Starting a team from scratch and leading it to the AFC championship game in their 2nd season plus 2 Super Bowl wins as head coach of NYG (beating one of the greatest coach/QB combos both times) along with his longevity and philanthropic ventures while being in the league will get him in the HOF. Maybe not first ballot, but he will get in.

Jacksonville wasn't exactly started from scratch. I doubt you will find an expansion draft or expansion approach like 1995 again in the NFL. Actually, most of the owners vowed this right after Tagliabue got his votes. Holding true to their words, Cleveland and Houston did not get the same deal in 99. Which Cleveland fans still bitch about as well as the relocation.

in McAdoo's West Coast-style offense, his career numbers are going to look A LOT better than they do now, and people will remember the late-career efficiency and the early-career championships...

O.J. Anderson.

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Jeff Feagles????

That's funny. I thought of Landeta. I was young so I don't remember his career that well but I always thought of him as a great punter.

Before Jacksonville has even played a down in 1995, TC trades a 3rd and 5th Round pick to Green Bay for a backup QB who barely saw the field playing behind Brett Favre:

Mark Brunell - who leads the Jags to the Playoffs 3 of their first 4 seasons after taking over a few games into their inaugural season, and also goes to 3 Pro Bowls before injuries hit.

During his first draft in 1995, TC picks QB Rob Johnson in the FOURTH Round. Coughlin later trades Johnson to Buffalo for their FIRST Round and 4th Round picks: Coughlin uses that 1st Round pick acquired from the Bills on a RB:

Fred Taylor - who rushes for over 1K yards 7 times as a Jaguar, selected All-Pro once, and finishes his career with over 10K yards rushing.

Also in 1995, TC signs a Free Agent WR to a small contract after he had already been cut twice by the Jerry Jones Cowboys and the Andy Reid Eagles in previous seasons:

Jimmy Smith - Coughlin spends a year rebuilding the kid from the ground up while he plays Special Teams. Smith has 9 seasons over 1K receiving as a Jag and plays in 5 Pro Bowls.

That’s how TC acquired the Pro Bowl level QB, RB, and WR at the heart of his Jaguar Offense, all for the cost of a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th Round pick.

NFL people know exactly how great a job did building the Jags from nothing, even if casual fans don't.

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There's a lot of other head coaches and players that are going to be considered before him.

Victor Cruz right now is on a projection to finish with some great numbers. He already has the championship - if he stays healthy and stays consistent, he'll probably be the next Giants hall of famer, assuming that he finishes before Eli.

George Young.

I'll say it. t's gonna be Eli.
2 SBs (at least) and he's gonna have the numbers as well.

Much like all the major sport HOF's it has been watered down dramatically.

Eli, Cruz, Coughlin, Warner, Rolle...have no reason to be in Canton. Period.

Where did we go wrong?

HOF is the cream of the crop, not a great year followed by three shitty years, repeat.

Eli is no more a fucking HOF QB than both my brothers. Peyton, yes.

Coughlin- much , much closer. However, there is inconsistency and that is where it breaks down. Currently, and back to my original point, it isn't the best of the best anymore. You have all these variables in place such as the veterans, etc, etc.

What ever happened to leaving it to your center fielder getting in that had a lifetime 330 while hitting 500 homers as opposed to including the SS who hit 280 over his career but showed up big in a few World Series?

I quess the participation awards start at the top and trickle down.

Our obsession with Eli being a HOF QB is a direct result of the years watching the dysfunction at QB for so many years on our team. And to think, there was a time, before Eli, that Giant fans actually convinced themselves that Phil was also a HOF QB based on the putrid run before him.

I like Eli, am thankful for his playoff caliber of play, but going 25/16 year in and out is not a HOF QB.

Morten Andersen

The coach will make it, maybe not first ballot, but he deserves it. George Young deserves to be there. If Eli wins another SB, he makes it.

too. While he did well with a talented expansion team, he also got fired when the team did not perform well for three straight losing years. And, in essence, that is going to be the debate about him. He had some very good years and some not so good years during his career. The Giants tenure can be looked at as fantastic from 2004-2008--then besides six weeks in 2011, from 2009-present it has been very average. Not to mention the collapses that surely will be debated In the end, he is a very good coach, but was he a game changing coach in the spirit of Walsh, Gibbs, Parcells, etc--I don't think so. Those guys get in automatically. If you look at TC, I think he gets in if this doesn't turn really bad here, but it will be a long debated candidacy and far from a sure thing.

Is that a joke? The guy has been an above average QB but nowhere near a HOFer especially in the age of pass happy offenses.

it will be coughlin; eli won't be first ballot and it's not a lock that he gets in, unlike his big bro.

I expect George Young to get in. As for Eli, there's a reasonable case to be made that once he's done playing his career stats will look really good compared to some of the all time greats - especially if his completion % goes up and INTs go down in this new offense. But it's safe to say he is NOT perceived as HOFer by the national media (i.e. the voters)...and he's going to have to do quite a bit to change that perception over the last 4-5 years of his career.

with that post.

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Simms or Banks who get in next.

They are BOTH underappreciated by the writers. In Banks' case, purely because of his position and the fact that Taylor and Carson are in.

Simms deserves to be in...compare his stats to those of his contempraries, as well as those who played before him who are in.

By the way, Namath needs to be thrown out with the writers admitting that they only voted him in because he was "Broadway Joe"

of getting into the HOF as any of us on this thread.

In comment 11795778 Jimmy Googs said:

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of getting into the HOF as any of us on this thread.

You talk a lot of crap for knowing very little about the game.