Article on Eli in MMQB

but I thought it merited a post of its own. Happy to delete if redundant.

As you effectively said, tell me what I didn't already know..

until it's gone and you wait 10-15 years to replace him? Is Eli without blemishes? Of course not, but he is far and away these old eyes have seen watching over 50 years of Giants football

which I disagree with. Not saying they are going to be dominant, but I believe they will a significant strength of this team.

retired just like we didn't appreciate Phil until he was gone.

Give Eli time this season and I think he may have his best year yet. That plus a running game and we should be in good shape because I love our D right now.

Still the biggest issue, IMO, is the offensive line. I am not sure JR did enough to improve it. I am hoping I am wrong.

about the offense, but that optimism is waning with each passing day. Everything you read from the beat reporters seems to indicate, like last year's camp, that the offense is struggling. For instance, yesterday Graziano, and I know he is harsh, but was saying the offense looked "abnormally competent" and Rock or Stapleton (I forget who) said something a few minutes later that the unusual good play had ended. I realize that not everything will look good at camp, especially when putting in a new system, but you would hope that we would see more positive signs than what has been reported.

On the other hand, all the reports, and this may be a product of what I wrote above, say that the defense looks great. After the dreadful second half of 2012 and last year's dreadful performances, even in wins, I just want to see some good football.

Nine or ten wins would be a vast improvement, and I'd take it. As I've said repeatedly, be more competitive this year, look to seriously contend next year.

imo. In fact, he may give the O-line too much credit.

Overly optimistic about the offense and overly pessimistic about the defense.

In comment 11797189 Greg from LI said:

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Overly optimistic about the offense and overly pessimistic about the defense.

that was my exact thought. Peter King is a terrible analyst.

But that piece was by Andy Benoit. I don't think he's bad, but that story just seemed off.

with the new offensive philosophy.

It's not like most QBs couldnt attribute at least 25% of their INTs to a bad route or some other form of bad luck. Even if you deducted Eli's INTs last year by 1/3, his turnovers were still out of control.

Hopefully we see a lot better this year. And yes, of course hopefully we also see more pocket protection.

Bottom line is last year's performance wasnt worth close to $20 million, so hopefully he puts a lot of negativity to rest this season. It's August... so I'll be hopeful.

that many of Eli's INTs are caused by things like WR running wrong routes, it is said without anything backing it up.

that is weird, kind of surprised the facto-nazi's panties haven't ruined their day yet.


And more importantly, he equals Andrew Williams and Peyton Hillis with neither providing quickness or explosiveness..


WHAT? Williams looked the MOST explosive of the backs in the HOF game

wtf

in the press, particularly about Eli. None of these clowns watch enough Giants games on a regular basis to make a credible and accurate story. They look at statistics, and statistics never tell the whole story. The clowns down here in DC are especially atrocious.

As long as the OL holds and that is still a big if, I am confident that Eli will bounce back and have a monster year, especially if we get the running game going again.

El again has something to prove and I wouldn't ever bet against him in such conditions.

just sayin

and gave Eli a big bonus and an extension so they didn't need to eat $20 million against the cap because they are so certain that 1/3 of those 27 int's and the iffy completion percentage and the lack of td passes and the #31 qb rating were all the result of receivers running the wrong routes.

Oh wait . . .

That article revealed itself as fish and chips blotter material when the writer presented chipping by the te's and backs as a startling new McAddo innovation.

...18 INTs would put him 6th worst in the league last year. Still horrible.

He has to play better, and I think he will under the new system. I have no doubt that Gilbride's system always lead to screwed up routes and INTs, and it always would. The hope was that it would result in more big plays than bad plays.

of the season he was coming off of.

They didn't need the money and they didn't even need to restructure (ie put cap money onto future years) other guys to not need it, as they got even more space via the pay cuts Kiwanuka and Weatherford were forced to take.

actually have to and be able to carry the team for the first few games...

next years #1 rounder has to be a DE

what was with the comment on Moore lol? Immature?

will take time, unfortunately. Even Chip Kelly's scheme did not go well for the Beagles last season until the 2nd half. Then it took off...

With the reduced training camp time and so forth, I expect the O to struggle early in the season. Hopefully, that will pick up as the season goes along. This is normal.

The D and, hopefully, special teams need to carry us through the first half of the season and, hopefully, without injuries, the O can progress as we go along.

To expect the offense to take off from the get-go is completely unrealistic

In comment 11797256 HomerJones45 said:

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and gave Eli a big bonus and an extension so they didn't need to eat $20 million against the cap because they are so certain that 1/3 of those 27 int's and the iffy completion percentage and the lack of td passes and the #31 qb rating were all the result of receivers running the wrong routes. Oh wait . . . That article revealed itself as fish and chips blotter material when the writer presented chipping by the te's and backs as a startling new McAddo innovation.

you were obviously dropped on your head as a child

It's brought back the horrible awful, shitty, and moronic version of homerjones that shits on Eli at every turn, rationale be damned.

Which means Eli will probably make good 'ol gene look like a dumbass once more. Not that homer doesn't do a good enough job at that already..

Jeff hostetler, Dave brown, Danny kannel, kent graham, tommy Maddox, Kerry Collins, Kurt Warner

Qbs we tried but failed at in developing into a top 5 franchise QB since Phil Simms.

The gmen need to ride out Eli until he's ready to retire, because it isn't easy

Fantasy football is what hurts Eli. If he had come up in the 80s or 90s, you wouldn't hear half the criticism

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from the offensive line, the runnjing backs or the wide receivers. I have ben a big defender of Eli and will always value what he brings to the team, but neither the apologists for Eli nor those who blame him for everything are totally correct in their assessments of last year.

The team sucked last year in almost every phase of the game. Perhaps 1/3rd of Eli's interceptions were not his fault, but that still leaves 18 that were his fault and that is not an acceptable performance either. Eli and just about everyone else needs to pick it up--his inconsistent accuracy is what it is, but he is capable of making better judgments and not trying to make the spectacular play when it is safer to just throw the ball away.

I expect a much better season from everyone, but if it does not happen then even more change is needed.

5 or 7 step drops...basically time to throw. No adjustment was made until November when Eli went to shorter drops and quicker throws. We won a few games in a row then.

Then other teams adjusted and took away the short stuff forcing Eli to either throw into coverage or get killed. He usually got killed.

Add to that the way Nicks was playing, then Cruz got hurt plus no tight end, no running game. You tell me a quarterback in this league who could have helped that situation out. Sure, Eli made mistakes...who wouldn't...but to say he sucked illustrates that people simply do not understand football or are just biased against Eli.

In comment 11797412 GMenLTS said:

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It's brought back the horrible awful, shitty, and moronic version of homerjones that shits on Eli at every turn, rationale be damned. Which means Eli will probably make good 'ol gene look like a dumbass once more. Not that homer doesn't do a good enough job at that already..

You just made me shoot soda out my nose with this post.

Eli was severely handcuffed by the Gilbride offense the last 2 years. We didn't have the talent to run it and Eli became the whipping boy. Every pattern took a while to develop, the OLine couldn't pass block that long or run block to take the heat off, and on most plays Eli had to either take the sack of guess where the WR was going.

I don't believe any QB would have been able to play well last year.

last year were the WRs' fault. A LOT more.

In comment 11797921 PatersonPlank said:

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Eli was severely handcuffed by the Gilbride offense the last 2 years. We didn't have the talent to run it and Eli became the whipping boy. Every pattern took a while to develop, the OLine couldn't pass block that long or run block to take the heat off, and on most plays Eli had to either take the sack of guess where the WR was going. I don't believe any QB would have been able to play well last year.

Well, Eli might bounce back, but I'm taking the under on this one. Brees/Rodgers numbers??? Just because its a new system ?? we marginally upgraded the o-line, replaced Nicks with ODB, and added Jennings, who's at best had an inconsistent career.

We somehow won two SBs with Gilbride... replacing him isnt going to magically turn this offense into a juggernaut... if we're going to win games this year, they are going to be of the 21-17 variety and the offense is going to have to just limit the backbreaking mistakes.

In comment 11799078 Don in DC said:

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last year were the WRs' fault. A LOT more.

I agree. Thought that was a conservative estimate.