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I was a always a fan of Gilbride

JoefromPa : 8/10/2014 2:30 pm
during his stay with the Giants. Difficult to argue with the explosiveness of his offense when he had the horses. Also difficult to fault two Super Bowls.

I was also ok with Giants management making a change, figure they know better than me.

What is comical to me is reading the in and post game quotes from this site during the first two PRESEASON games.

If my memory serves me correctly, many of the posters that referred to a very good offensive coordinator in Gilbride as Kildrive, and praised the hiring of McAdoo, are already thinking of creative names for this OC.

Maybe something like McAboo will do?

No wonder players and coaches pay so little attention to what we fans think.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/10/2014 2:35 pm : link
As I said last night (repeatedly)...

I think Gilbride was a fine OC.

My gut tells me McAdoo will be a fine OC (but we'll have to see).

But it still astounds me how some fail to recognize just how terrible our offensive personnel was last year. "Why didn't Gilbride adjust?" Adjust with what???
Offensive line.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
We had one then.

We don't know what we have now.
There's a poster with an obvious agenda that has referred to  
Riggies : 8/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
McAdoo as the ever witty (not) McCoattails since the day he was hired.

Gilbride was a flawed, but good OC whose time was up here, as you couldn't not change both the coaching staff and the QB, with how terrible the QB been playing for a season and a half. It's okay to accept that or even point that out, even if you also recognize the talent issues the team has in general.

The hyper defensiveness over Gilbride now, from some, is almost as bad as the hyper criticism from others used to be.
if anybody has a clue,  
SHO'NUFF : 8/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
O-line was the biggest issue last year.... has been in decline the last few years...I blame JR for not giving the chef the best ingredients, but like all those cooking competition shows, the chefs make do with what they have... sometimes it's just not good enough and they are eliminated.
I can see the nicknames already  
SHO'NUFF : 8/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
McAdoo-doo, McAdoh!, McAdon't...
I wasn't a fan  
AnishPatel : 8/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
of his style, but I respected what he did here during his tenure. He did a hell of a job from adding different running concepts each year to keep things new and add more flexibility in play calling due to our OL mastering the blocking for the various running concepts.

He wasn't a perfect OC, and there was stuff that drove me nuts, but overall he did a damn good job here.
I'm going to relax  
mrvax : 8/10/2014 3:00 pm : link
and enjoy the fact that my team has won 2 recent f'ing Superbowls while teams like the Eagles haven't won a single one ever and the Jets haven't done so since 1969.
The obligatory we have won two recent Super Bowls'  
RDJR : 8/10/2014 3:02 pm : link
post. Without fail that is the answer to any woes we may have.
I liked Gilbride and his offense  
steve in ky : 8/10/2014 3:04 pm : link
But two weeks into the preseason is hardly time to judge a new OC and expecting people to be mocking him at this point.

I am guess at some point a lot of people that mocked Gilbride will miss what they had.
In last night's game, . . . .  
TC : 8/10/2014 3:14 pm : link
despite some glaring and obvious personnel problems, I thought I also saw a lot of talented players. But it reminded me of a good meal that hasn't finished cooking; you've got some good ingredients, but until it's completed, you can't know how good it's going to be.

I believed this was a transition year, and still do. It's a completely new offensive system, with a brand new OC and a roster that's turned over an awful lot of players. I didn't, and still don't expect to know what kind of team this is going to be until 4 or 5 games into the REGULAR season. I know no one wants that, but I doubt it can be any different.
Might have killed the golden goose  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 8/10/2014 3:20 pm : link
It's a lot easier on the surface to shift blame for piss poor player acquisition and replace an offensive coordinator and system our best players (Manning and Cruz) had a mastery of.

At best, I think McAdoo is a lateral move. If he turns out to have a top offense with the right players in place, we'll have what we had before minus the playoff tested execution.

At worst, our bad players from last year are actually bad players (sorry Chris Mara) and our good players are starting over mentally and may not be nearly as good in the new system.
What troubled me about the last two seasons was  
mattlawson : 8/10/2014 3:27 pm : link
Everything became all about the deep ball. The same thing happened with McNabb and the Eagles -- when that happens time for change

I look forward to seeing with this offense becomes
RE: In last night's game, . . . .  
mrvax : 8/10/2014 3:35 pm : link
In comment 11801595 TC said:
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I believed this was a transition year, and still do. It's a completely new offensive system, with a brand new OC and a roster that's turned over an awful lot of players. I didn't, and still don't expect to know what kind of team this is going to be until 4 or 5 games into the REGULAR season. I know no one wants that, but I doubt it can be any different.


I agree.
RE: The obligatory we have won two recent Super Bowls'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2014 3:53 pm : link
In comment 11801588 RDJR said:
Quote:
post. Without fail that is the answer to any woes we may have.


I like that better than taking an escape from everyday life and making that as stressful as a job.

I especially like it more than stressing out over preseason performances when we already knew going in it was going to be a work in progress.
Gilbride was  
TMS : 8/10/2014 3:58 pm : link
scapegoated to show a shake up in the team. The real problem was the GM Reese who failed to deliver the replacement personnel, to replace players as they got old or injured. Coughlin was a great hire who forged the team and delivered the two SBs in spite of the rest of the front office.
Is it my own Rosie distortion or  
mattlawson : 8/10/2014 3:58 pm : link
Does anyone else not remember after 25 interception season in 2010 Eli really did rely more on the West Coast style offense getting the ball out quicker hitting the running backs and fullbacks and tight ends? Isn't this all were really after? A more complete and effective offense...
I absolutely believe this is a transition year  
Optimus-NY : 8/10/2014 4:12 pm : link
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a lot of angst over  
HomerJones45 : 8/10/2014 4:13 pm : link
2 preseason games and about 25 plays by the first team offense.

Coaches are trying different personnel, plays, experimenting. Players are working on their technique and trying to get out of bad habits.

The qb who looks most comfortable with the offense is Painter. Don't know whether he saw a lot of it in Indy or what.
I was impressed by the draw plays on 3rd and long last night.  
Jupiter : 8/10/2014 7:15 pm : link
Also, the pass in the flat that went for a TD.
RE: Gilbride was  
kepler20 : 8/10/2014 7:18 pm : link
In comment 11801634 TMS said:
Quote:
scapegoated to show a shake up in the team. The real problem was the GM Reese who failed to deliver the replacement personnel, to replace players as they got old or injured. Coughlin was a great hire who forged the team and delivered the two SBs in spite of the rest of the front office.


read this article about our offense. If you've watched enough Giants games you should know that this is 1000% accurate. It explains all the weird route jumping defenses have shown eli in hte past 2 years.


http://bigblueblitz.com/eli-manning/giant-issues-eli-manning-the-giants-offense-have-outgrown-kevin-gilbride/
Oh hey look  
Kulish29 : 8/10/2014 8:14 pm : link
Some fucktard posted something irrelevant. And they're even too stupid to know how to post a link too.
Under KG  
Daniel in MI : 8/10/2014 8:19 pm : link
We had the most productive offense of my 45 years as a Giants fan. We had our first WRs make a pro bowl since Homer Jones. We won 2 chamionships against some damned tough opponents, and we had to make game winning drives in both (couldn't rely just on D). So, yeah, I'd say KG was pretty good.

As for Macadoo, we have no idea yet. Two preseason games, probably keeping it vanilla, no game planning yet, and a system just going in. We may not even have the set of guys we need for his system yet (I'm looking at you TE corp). So any statement is waaaaaay too early yet. Period.

I think we'll have a good reference point  
eclipz928 : 8/10/2014 8:30 pm : link
by the end of the season. Talent-wise, this offense isn't that much better than what it was at the start of the 2013 season. If Eli has a good year, and this offense finishes in the top 10 in McAdoo's first season calling plays, then I think that would be quite an indictment on the previous offensive philosophy for the Giants. Those are big "if's" though.
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