NFT: Missouri Teenager Shot & Killed by Police

Read some more. It is a summary of sorts unless CNN is in on it too?

In comment 11826959 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 11826898 montanagiant said: Quote: In comment 11826883 bradshaw44 said: Quote: Brown happened to strong arm rob a store, and just his bad luck (not further behavior or anything of that nature) he just happened to cross path's with super racist Wyatt Earp, and Earp shot him dead in the middle of the street, in the middle of a neighborhood, in the middle of the day? Not saying it isn't possible, but I tend to believe something else PROBABLY happened. Although just as any other situation, it's not 100% because we simply don't have all the facts. Or he crossed paths, the cop got pissed, Brown got pissed, they struggle, Brown runs, the Cop yells to stop, Brown stops and turns around. Then Brown ________________________________ ?. It could be as simple as Brown turning around too fast. Or it could be complex with a bunch of nuances such as that Brown turned around and approached the officer with an aggressive look on his face. Brown turning around rushing the Officer. Brown surrendering and the Officer makes a horrible mistake. Even Brown turning around and that act causes him to stumble forward which the officer viewed as being aggressive. No one knows yet, but the Robbery will not have any factor on the decision if the Shooting was justified or not. It only will apply to how people will view all of this. Look, anything could have happened, even the crazy ass post of mine you have quoted here. All we are trying to convey, is that, his "past" behavior, minutes before he crossed path's with the cop, PROBABLY had something to do with what happened. Have you ever caught somebody lying to you, just by how strange their account of the story was? That's how I view this situation.

Absolutely agree with that 100%...But it will have zero to do with if the shooting is determined to be justified, or not. That is going to come down to the actions that happened right after Brown stopped

In comment 11826965 PA Giant Fan said:

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Read some more. It is a summary of sorts unless CNN is in on it too?

Its not a summary, you have one side claiming he was shot in cold blood, you have some chick who was not there on the other side claiming it was justifiable because she heard that..

Go ahead get your link to the witnesse(S) (plural...remember?) together you claim to have read about. because the only one you have so far says he was shot in cold blood after doing nothing more then pulling away from the officer..

it's going to come down to the accounts you state, and the video, the forensics of the body position, the 911 call and whether or not an APB had been communicated before the altercation.

an altercation...here is another article to help you out. Since you are here to clear the facts for us....Like said, most of the witnesses say there was an altercation
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Even his partner in crime says there was an altercation, of course he goes on to lie about running away. But he also claims a shot was fired in the cruiser. He does claim that the officer grabbed a 6'3" 290lb man by the throat through his cruiser window. Think about that logic for a second.

I enjoy reading them, but rarely have the stamina to contribute to them like some. I did want to add a link to a blog I found earlier. The facts seemed to have changed so much I'm not sure how accurate it is, but an interesting take none the less. It follows FMIC's take on the media.

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Unlike much of America, I’ve stayed quiet about the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. As a cop, I know initial media reports about any incident are usually wrong. I also know that many media outlets and internet commentators deliberately twist facts to inflame emotion. They’ll throw out empty, meaningless phrases like “he was shot in broad daylight, in his own hometown” even though that has literally nothing to do with the legality or illegality of the shooting....

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Seems your comment about there only being one person that says a shot was fired and it being this woman......you managed to miss his lying partner in crime....

What is becoming obvious after reading the different accounts is that the officer tried to get out of the car and was pushed back in and the officer and Brown tangled through the window...

It is starting to come clear...So Brown was assaulitng a police officer, resisting arrest after committing a strong armed robbery. Seems all agree now on these items

In comment 11826971 PA Giant Fan said:

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an altercation...here is another article to help you out. Since you are here to clear the facts for us....Like said, most of the witnesses say there was an altercation Link - ( New Window )

See now your getting so desperate your putting words in my mouth while at the same time trying to parse what you claimed earlier.....I always maintained there was a struggle, we just don't know if that involved punches or him trying to just get away.

What was in dispute was if there was a shot fired in the car. You claimed to have read multiple links with witnesses (Plural..meaning more then one per your own claim) saying there was a shot. The only actual witness you have supplied that states that also claims he was shot in cold blood which completely blows the hell up the rest of your silly theory..

Read that article and get back to me
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Damn, your not doing very good with this fact checking stuff you claim to be here for....His partner Dorian Johnson claimed a shot was fired in the vehicle too. ....

Your bias has made it so you ignore the facts that dont fit your agenda. How did you miss Dorian Johnson. I linked the damn article for you...hmmmmm

In comment 11826980 PA Giant Fan said:

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Read that article and get back to me Link - ( New Window )

Holy shit...do you just not understand, or are you dense? That link has not one whit to do with what the fuck you claimed. You claimed you had read multiple accounts of the gun going off..What the hell does an editorial by a cop who was not even there have squat to do with it?

that friends that were cops, been mugged, been burglarized, Giant fan for 60+years. A few points I'd like to make.

- If as first reported there was a radio call about the ROBBERY not a theft, it was by force.

-The officer should have waited for backup.

-some posters said this this was a KID 6'4" give me a break

-the officer should not been hit while sitting in the car - the first thing you learn in Harlem is do not fight a person who is outside your car.

- I've never fired an automatic weapon but the weapon of choice of my buddies on the NYPD was the GLOCK, which I think is automatic.

The other thing I must say some of the young posters saying that armed soldiers
are more able to handle crowds - what about Kent State the Nation Guard fuckeng panicked.

In comment 11826988 OldPolack said:

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that friends that were cops, been mugged, been burglarized, Giant fan for 60+years. A few points I'd like to make. - If as first reported there was a radio call about the ROBBERY not a theft, it was by force. -The officer should have waited for backup. -some posters said this this was a KID 6'4" give me a break -the officer should not been hit while sitting in the car - the first thing you learn in Harlem is do not fight a person who is outside your car. - I've never fired an automatic weapon but the weapon of choice of my buddies on the NYPD was the GLOCK, which I think is automatic. The other thing I must say some of the young posters saying that armed soldiers are more able to handle crowds - what about Kent State the Nation Guard fuckeng panicked.

Glock is not automatic. Semi-auto. Meaning you have to pull the trigger for ever single bullet fired. It's not bolt action is about all that means.

Which was just another example of you not knowing the facts you claim to be here to make sure we know. Dorian Johnson, the perps partner also claimed it. See, you don't know shit about the case. You keep missing the key points when it suits your agenda.

You want to believe there was no altercation at the vehicle where the officer was struck or that the gun was fired but there are multiple accounts despite your claim there was only one.

The link to the officers examination is 100% in line with what I believe as well and have stated as much each step of the way. That is the way I believe it went down. Your version which was not based in facts was 100% slanted against the officer and was not logical.

There is enough information here that you can begin to deduce what actually occurred as the officer does in the lin provided. I came to the same conclusions that he has.

In comment 11826982 PA Giant Fan said:

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Damn, your not doing very good with this fact checking stuff you claim to be here for....His partner Dorian Johnson claimed a shot was fired in the vehicle too. .... Your bias has made it so you ignore the facts that dont fit your agenda. How did you miss Dorian Johnson. I linked the damn article for you...hmmmmm

LOL. there really is something wrong with you isn't there?
~ sigh ~..here we go again:

Yes he did, but he also claimed they were innocently walking down the street doing nothing wrong (while ignoring the fact of the robbery, the jaywalking, and the disrespect to the officer. He also is another one who claims Brown was shot in cold blood while surrendering with his arms up when he was shot, and that all he did was try to pull away from the officer..

So Einstein, if your going to use Dorin Johnson as your key proof that a shot was fired, you have to also accept his story that Brown did nothing to deserve the shooting, which is another witness that destroys your whole claim that Brown was a "thug" who deserved it.

Of your silly ass claims

Assault and shots fired occurred.The when I provce you wrong but noting that Brown's partner in crime said the same damn thing proving you once again 100% wrong, you claim "well he also said this and that"

Holy shit man. Grow a pair admit you were wrong again. And the partner has to admit there was a shot fired because there was. And his other parts of his story are being proven to be lies by the forensics. Read the article linked. I couldn't explain what I think most likely happened any better.

You don't understand logic or have very good reasoning capabilities. Let me prove it for you.

You claimed there was only one witness (this woman) Who claimed there was a shot fired in the car. When presented with the evidence that Dorian Johnson, Browns partner in crime also gave the same testimony about the shot being fired, rather then admit you are wrong again....

You jump to the illogical conclusion

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So Einstein, if your going to use Dorin Johnson as your key proof that a shot was fired, you have to also accept his story that Brown did nothing to deserve the shooting, which is another witness that destroys your whole claim that Brown was a "thug" who deserved it.

You see just like before when you jumped to an illogical conclusion you do it again here. Noting that Dorian Johnson stated the shots fired in the car does not mean it true or the rest of the story true. Of course it kind of has to be true because there would be a shell casing and other evidence most likely. The rest of his story does not hinge nor proven truthful or a lie based on his testimony of a shot fired in the car. That is you illogical jump to an illogical conclusion and why you continue to look like a troll here.

So grow a pair and admit you continue to be proven wrong about the facts.

In comment 11826996 PA Giant Fan said:

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Assault and shots fired occurred.The when I provce you wrong but noting that Brown's partner in crime said the same damn thing proving you once again 100% wrong, you claim "well he also said this and that" Holy shit man. Grow a pair admit you were wrong again. And the partner has to admit there was a shot fired because there was. And his other parts of his story are being proven to be lies by the forensics. Read the article linked. I couldn't explain what I think most likely happened any better.

I need a decoder ring for that first part.

You have yet to prove me wrong , or be correct about in this whole thread. But lets review this new revised theory:

So now you claim he is only telling the truth about the part you want him to be telling the truth about (shots fired), but he is lying about everything else because...you just want him to correct??...Okay..yeah.. Another great example of a theory pulled out of your ass...that really nails down and proves your point

In comment 11826588 Kyle said:

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institutional racism and grapple with the lingering generational effects of the government institution ordained with the exclusive use of Force in society having a disturbingly troublesome record with communities of color, which is what this incident has served to highlight for the nation at-large. Instead, there is: - A narrow fixation on the singular incident - A predictable pattern of victim-blaming, because a victim must be entirely innocent and pure or otherwise said victim deserves no sympathy ("she was making out with a dude she didn't even know before they left the party, she probably wanted it") - A use of code-words by at least one poster (don't say thug in every sentence; just say nigger, because it's offensive you believe we don't understand code) - A hideous condescenion towards the black community for being the root cause of their ills (funny how "black on black" crime is a thing, but "white on white crime" is just crime, eh?). - An artful though tired erection and subsequent demolition of the strawman that is "the black leaders like Sharpton are the REAL problem!" (conveniently and condescendingly anointed by white people as representative of Black thought). - An 80s formalist-style deflection of the topic of racism by accusing those who would dare to state the obvious truth that race played a role in the incident and incidents such as this one nationwide as the true racists (at this point, "racism" and "racist" are racial slur-level trigger words for certain white people). - A deflection of the issue towards other issues, exhibiting a faux-sympathy towards the plight of the black community when the goal is to merely dismiss the significance of any problem raised, due to an inability or lack of desire to engage the topic at hand. Racism is a whole lot more than calling someone a nigger or shooting someone because they're black, but hey, white privilege is often unrecognized in how it impacts a person's perspective. A pitiful reflection of the state of intellectual discourse in this country. This post wasn't worth my time, it's not worth Cam or Joe's time to post here either. I don't know why I wrote this. Feel free to delete the post or my account. It's rather ugly here now.

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In comment 11827003 PA Giant Fan said:

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You don't understand logic or have very good reasoning capabilities. Let me prove it for you. You claimed there was only one witness (this woman) Who claimed there was a shot fired in the car. When presented with the evidence that Dorian Johnson, Browns partner in crime also gave the same testimony about the shot being fired, rather then admit you are wrong again.... You jump to the illogical conclusion Quote: So Einstein, if your going to use Dorin Johnson as your key proof that a shot was fired, you have to also accept his story that Brown did nothing to deserve the shooting, which is another witness that destroys your whole claim that Brown was a "thug" who deserved it. You see just like before when you jumped to an illogical conclusion you do it again here. Noting that Dorian Johnson stated the shots fired in the car does not mean it true or the rest of the story true. Of course it kind of has to be true because there would be a shell casing and other evidence most likely. The rest of his story does not hinge nor proven truthful or a lie based on his testimony of a shot fired in the car. That is you illogical jump to an illogical conclusion and why you continue to look like a troll here. So grow a pair and admit you continue to be proven wrong about the facts.

Here's the reality of it and this will be painful for you:
I never claimed there was only "One witness to the gun being fired in the car"...YOU claimed there were multiple ones which i then asked you to prove and to show who those multiple ones are.

After a few hours the best you came up with is:
1)a friend of the Officers who called into a radio show and was not at the scene and has never been fully named.
2)a link to an editorial by a cop who was never at the scene.
3) Two witnesses (one a friend of Browns who was with him) who while claiming they heard the gun go off, have also stated that Brown did nothing more then try to get away from an officer who grabbed him by the neck, and then was shot in cold blood while surrendering with his arms up.

Now "Logically" the first two you supplied are a joke. The 3rd one if your to believe them means that this was an unjustified killing per their eyewitness account. Since you claim that Brown (a "viscous Thug who deserved this") punched the officer and was then charging him in anger to beat him, "LOGICALLY" you would then be wrong about that if your going to hang your hat on these two as your key evidence of a shot in the car.

But unfortunately you have shown in this thread to being an irrational illogical person who forgets half the shit they claim, then parses the rest when proven wrong. So I'm done taking you to school over this because i lack the energy of spending hours trying to keep you on target and pointing out your fabrications. It also is unfair to the rest of the board who wish to actually discuss the topic...You keep on reading up on the situation, get some actual real facts, learn how to stay on point and you can actually discus it with the adults in the future in a coherent manner.

In comment 11826939 PA Giant Fan said:

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The horror....It hasnt been proven he hit him the face? And the gun didnt go off inside the car? And they weren't struggling. Except some want you to believe he was pulling a 300lb man into the car.....but whatever.. You have been proven to be a troll. congrats...

This is so fucking stupid. You sit there and keep repeating "OMG YOU CLAIM HE PULLED A 300 LB INTO A CAR LOL TROLL TROLL TROLL"


While it's equally as stupid, if not even more stupid, to assume someone would fight a cop, run away from a cop, then turn around and faced an armed cop, while unarmed, and charge at him.

The truth is, NEITHER of those things probably happened. But in a vacuum, the latter is less plausible than the former.

but oh yeah, Brown shoved a clerk and took $48 worth of cigars. Clearly he was ready to fight cops to the death.

It's like you wish he was a crazed, cracked out "thug" (i.e nigger) hellbent on killing a cop. Well even if he was, him stealing a box of cigars while shoving a cop isn't really proof of that, sorry. It's fucking bullshit.

PA Giants Fan is clearly one of our posters of older ilk, so I can't really fault it against him that he doesn't know what a "troll" is... but please understand, MontanaGiant is in no way a troll, not by any definition of the word.

A "troll" isn't merely someone who disagrees with you. It's someone who fucks with you to get a rise out of you, and all he's done is talk sense into your absurd point of view.

In comment 11827023 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 11826939 PA Giant Fan said: Quote: The horror....It hasnt been proven he hit him the face? And the gun didnt go off inside the car? And they weren't struggling. Except some want you to believe he was pulling a 300lb man into the car.....but whatever.. You have been proven to be a troll. congrats... This is so fucking stupid. You sit there and keep repeating "OMG YOU CLAIM HE PULLED A 300 LB INTO A CAR LOL TROLL TROLL TROLL" While it's equally as stupid, if not even more stupid, to assume someone would fight a cop, run away from a cop, then turn around and faced an armed cop, while unarmed, and charge at him. The truth is, NEITHER of those things probably happened. But in a vacuum, the latter is less plausible than the former. but oh yeah, Brown shoved a clerk and took $48 worth of cigars. Clearly he was ready to fight cops to the death. It's like you wish he was a crazed, cracked out "thug" (i.e nigger) hellbent on killing a cop. Well even if he was, him stealing a box of cigars while shoving a cop isn't really proof of that, sorry. It's fucking bullshit.

I love how you so casually dismiss his behavior and then go on to further your argument by describing what he stole AND it's value. And it wasn't just a shove. When the clerk tries to keep Brown from leaving the store, Brown makes an agressive charge or movement toward him. I guess that could alleged kidnapping by the store owner.

And forget all that... You flat out clearly don't give two shits about the clerk who just went through a traumatizing situation.

In comment 11827029 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 11827023 Sonic Youth said: Quote: In comment 11826939 PA Giant Fan said: Quote: The horror....It hasnt been proven he hit him the face? And the gun didnt go off inside the car? And they weren't struggling. Except some want you to believe he was pulling a 300lb man into the car.....but whatever.. You have been proven to be a troll. congrats... This is so fucking stupid. You sit there and keep repeating "OMG YOU CLAIM HE PULLED A 300 LB INTO A CAR LOL TROLL TROLL TROLL" While it's equally as stupid, if not even more stupid, to assume someone would fight a cop, run away from a cop, then turn around and faced an armed cop, while unarmed, and charge at him. The truth is, NEITHER of those things probably happened. But in a vacuum, the latter is less plausible than the former. but oh yeah, Brown shoved a clerk and took $48 worth of cigars. Clearly he was ready to fight cops to the death. It's like you wish he was a crazed, cracked out "thug" (i.e nigger) hellbent on killing a cop. Well even if he was, him stealing a box of cigars while shoving a cop isn't really proof of that, sorry. It's fucking bullshit. I love how you so casually dismiss his behavior and then go on to further your argument by describing what he stole AND it's value. And it wasn't just a shove. When the clerk tries to keep Brown from leaving the store, Brown makes an agressive charge or movement toward him. I guess that could alleged kidnapping by the store owner. And forget all that... You flat out clearly don't give two shits about the clerk who just went through a traumatizing situation.

Ok, does ANY of that have to do with whether or not Brown should be shot dead in the street?

What are you trying to say here? The clerk was traumatized, so Brown deserved to die in the middle of the road?

I'm bringing up the value of the item and the fact that it was a shove because I am trying to dispel the notion that the robbery somehow implies Brown was a crazed maniac on a deathwish trying to murder cops.

If he was a crazed murderer on a deathwish who didn't care about killing cops, he'd have likely stolen something of greater value, and actually injured the clerk.

But regardless of what happened, regardless of how traumatizing the situation was for the clerk (I mean, he didn't even call 911 but regardless, there could have been other reasons) - it doesn't matter, because we have due process in this country, and Brown committing a robbery shouldn't be some kind of roundabout justification for him being shot dead in the street.

Regardless of how much you want to break down the robbery, the fact of the matter is that nobody deserves to be shot dead for something of that magnitude, unless you think we should be doling out the death penalty for unarmed robberies.

And the retort to this is that it shows that Brown was in a certain state of mind that would lead people to believe he was likely to kill a cop. And my response to that is how I ended my last post: it's fucking bullshit. Shoving a clerk and stealing something of comparatively value makes you a criminal, but doesn't equate to someone being down to just start killing cops.

but I don't get this aggressive denial that the robbery is a minor event. It literally happened minutes before he was shot, and that aggression shown in the robbery probably was still present as Brown walked in the middle of a road and was confronted by Wilson.

It doesn't make much logical sense that a person who just stole stuff and initiated physical contact with a much smaller clerk (who did absolutely nothing wrong), somehow is going to be a passive guy peacefully surrendering meekly with hands up.

Of course the robbery impacts the story - it just doesn't corroborate the idea that a police officer shot a person at random or just because he was black, and that's the narrative some want to keep pushing here.

have to do with the conversation? Do you have a bias against adults?

In comment 11826980 PA Giant Fan said:

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Read that article and get back to me Link - ( New Window )

That is a organized collection of anecdotes. Which clearly document what happen in those cases, but contribute nothing to what prompted this officers actions.

If you want cops to perceive everything as a maximum threat, as those anecdotes suggest, then might as well give them armoured humvees with drone surveillence. Those who feel the cop used excessive force really can't believe that he needed to kill the guy - no matter how big he was or what he had just done - to eliminate the threat. A better cop would have produced a better outcome.

And by magnum opus, I mean seppuku.

clothing should have been treated as evidence. If a shot was fired in the cruiser it should easily be proved or disproved, by examining both, in addition to Michael Brown's clothing.

Have there been any reports of the cruiser being loaded onto a flatbed and hauled away for forensic tests?

to this thread, both the opinions he expresses and at times the manner in which he expresses them, but I generally respect the effort. Some of the people who are, loosely speaking, on my "side" of this issue have contributed a lot less to this discussion.

In comment 11827139 Dunedin81 said:

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to this thread, both the opinions he expresses and at times the manner in which he expresses them, but I generally respect the effort. Some of the people who are, loosely speaking, on my "side" of this issue have contributed a lot less to this discussion.

Meh...effort in itself is commendable to a point. However, effort, no matter how earnest it is, based on hyperbolic and one-sided views don't amount to shit and are oft more detrimental to the overall discussion than anything else.

John Stewart weighs in brilliantly


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And by magnum opus, I mean seppuku.

Well if you have problems with anything I'm saying, I'd love to hear it.

I may be brash, but contrary to what you're saying, nothing I've said is outlandish by any stretch.

So if you have an issue with what I'm saying, just come out and say it. I don't know why you'd have a problem with me, but over the few pages recently, I've pretty much maintained:

a) cops need more accountability
b) the robbery doesn't automatically mean that brown was a threat to start killing cops.

Do either of those strike you as unreasonable? or is it just cool now to go with the whole "omg sonic youth, what a young cop hater lolz"

Off. Wasn't the least bit funny.

In comment 11827340 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 11827095 RC02XX said: Quote: And by magnum opus, I mean seppuku. Well if you have problems with anything I'm saying, I'd love to hear it. I may be brash, but contrary to what you're saying, nothing I've said is outlandish by any stretch. So if you have an issue with what I'm saying, just come out and say it. I don't know why you'd have a problem with me, but over the few pages recently, I've pretty much maintained: a) cops need more accountability b) the robbery doesn't automatically mean that brown was a threat to start killing cops. Do either of those strike you as unreasonable? or is it just cool now to go with the whole "omg sonic youth, what a young cop hater lolz"

Nope, I don't have any problems with you personally. And honestly, I've tuned you out after your umpteenth post trying to rationalize your hyperbolic comments regarding law enforcement and their malaise. I'm, by no means, a police apologist as you can probably see from my own posts on this topic. However, I also agree with many on this thread that until the investigation is completed and more information comes out, any speculations on your part or anyone else's part are nothing more than just that, unevaluated guesses.

So continue with your incessant need to view the police as something maligned just because of handful of stories or whatnot.

But yes, I stand by my comment that you are doing a bang up job in completely clouding your own valid points by going the hyperbolic route.

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In comment 11827340 Sonic Youth said: Quote: In comment 11827095 RC02XX said: Quote: And by magnum opus, I mean seppuku. Well if you have problems with anything I'm saying, I'd love to hear it. I may be brash, but contrary to what you're saying, nothing I've said is outlandish by any stretch. So if you have an issue with what I'm saying, just come out and say it. I don't know why you'd have a problem with me, but over the few pages recently, I've pretty much maintained: a) cops need more accountability b) the robbery doesn't automatically mean that brown was a threat to start killing cops. Do either of those strike you as unreasonable? or is it just cool now to go with the whole "omg sonic youth, what a young cop hater lolz" Nope, I don't have any problems with you personally. And honestly, I've tuned you out after your umpteenth post trying to rationalize your hyperbolic comments regarding law enforcement and their malaise. I'm, by no means, a police apologist as you can probably see from my own posts on this topic. However, I also agree with many on this thread that until the investigation is completed and more information comes out, any speculations on your part or anyone else's part are nothing more than just that, unevaluated guesses. So continue with your incessant need to view the police as something maligned just because of handful of stories or whatnot. But yes, I stand by my comment that you are doing a bang up job in completely clouding your own valid points by going the hyperbolic route.

In fairness, I'm not basing my viewpoint that law enforcement is misguided and needs serious improvement based on a handful of anecdotal stories...

In matters like this, I give the cops the benefit of any doubt until and unless proven otherwise. My rationale is simple- the cop is supposedly a law abiding citizen; the dude who got killed is a felon, so why should I give him any benefit of the doubt?

Cop= good guy
Felon= bad guy

So, like I said, unless PROVEN otherwise, cop is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The big kid brought this deed upon himself because of his prior actions. No cop would shoot a law abiding citizen under normal circumstances.

Lastly, it matters zero to me what race this felon is. His skin color has nothing to do with the facts of the case. I hope everyone feels this way.

the argument for either side by having gross mischaracterizations meant to demean.

Brown was not a felon.

In comment 11828281 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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the argument for either side by having gross mischaracterizations meant to demean. Brown was not a felon.

maybe not a convicted felon and I agree with you, the hyperbole on both sides makes the comment author look worse than the subject, but is the robbery of a convenience store while assaulting an employee a misdemeanor? Serious question. Because while spock may have been using hyperbole it could be true.

he wasn't convicted of anything. Plus, if it isn't an armed robbery without an attempt on a life, I don't think it is a felony.

But, some people have made decent points here, but it gets obscured on both extremes. Calling Brown a thug, felon, a weapon is as erroneous as calling him a Gentle Giant or a peaceful, docile person.

The main issue with events like this is there is no black and white, just a whole lot off gray.

Robbery usually a felony. I think the facts are pretty clear that he committed a felony.

On a side note, do you really think the police officer opened up on him if he wasn't in fear of bodily harm? The kid is a pretty big dude you know. So, it appears we had multiple felonies on this day.
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My first career was that of an attorney (20 years). I dabbled in criminal law and had to represent a few robbery cases- both were felonies. I wasn't using an hyperbole. I am aware that not all states have criminal laws written exactly the same, but many are similar.
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theft under $500 is a class A misdemeanor.

In comment 11828428 Spock said:

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My first career was that of an attorney (20 years). I dabbled in criminal law and had to represent a few robbery cases- both were felonies. I wasn't using an hyperbole. I am aware that not all states have criminal laws written exactly the same, but many are similar. Georgia code of robbery - ( New Window )

TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 8 - OFFENSES INVOLVING THEFT
ARTICLE 1 - THEFT
§ 16-8-12 - Penalties for violation of Code Sections 16-8-2 through 16-8-9
O.C.G.A. 16-8-12 (2010)
16-8-12. Penalties for violation of Code Sections 16-8-2 through 16-8-9


(a) A person convicted of a violation of Code Sections 16-8-2 through 16-8-9 shall be punished as for a misdemeanor except:

(1) If the property which was the subject of the theft exceeded $500.00 in value

this is robbery. It is a class B felony as I read the statute, penalty seems to be 5 to 15 years.

Then what is this?
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theft under $500 is a class A misdemeanor.

Does threat of violence change that? This wasn't just shoplifting.

Strong arm robbery = 2nd degree armory in Mo.
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