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NYG & TB front runners in Boone trade?

Jolly Blue Giant : 8/11/2014 1:21 pm
If we could have him for a 3rd RD pick I would do that in a heart beat. I didn't realize he plays Tackle as well as guard.
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RE: he's a potential RT, imv.  
AnishPatel : 8/11/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 11802933 JonC said:
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Unlikely he has the feet or AA to play on the island at LT. He'll get less mobile as he gets older, at some point you want his skillset at RT.

If NYG views him as a RT, it potentially signals a move away from Beatty, kicking Pugh to LT, etc. Another reason I suspect they're not in a hurry in this situation.


Why not play him at RG? He is a guard for them, right? This why it solidifies the middle of the OL which is key for this system.
didn't SF's #2 guard behind Boone get hurt?  
SHO'NUFF : 8/11/2014 1:48 pm : link
SF should be desperate now to resign Boone rather then trade him.
AP  
JonC : 8/11/2014 1:48 pm : link
I think he's under-utilized at RG, and I'd wager they'd prefer to not spend more big dollars on the interior right now. His cap will grow considerably next Winter, they need to settle the tackle spots before splurging on the OL, imo.
He's got a really mean athletic Davis in front of him  
JonC : 8/11/2014 1:50 pm : link
On most teams he's more likely the starting RT.
I'd be all over it.  
bceagle05 : 8/11/2014 1:51 pm : link
I'm not quick to give away draft picks but this line still needs help. I don't trust Beatty or Walton to stay healthy either. And Boone is a long-term answer, not a stopgap. We all knew San Fran would have to sacrifice good players eventually - it'd be nice to benefit from that.
We can definitely take him and play either G or LT.  
ANGPASS : 8/11/2014 1:52 pm : link
Still can't believe we have the same offensive concerns as last year. OL and TE. Damn.
RE: Boone would play T for us.. Unless Beatty somehow regained form..  
Curtis in VA : 8/11/2014 1:52 pm : link
In comment 11802896 Damon said:
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Which is about as likely as SF trading us Boone in the first place.. All things equal they would not trade him to the Giants. If there is one team outside of their division that they consider a rival it's us.


I think this rivalry is more in the minds of fans than the teams. The Giants haven't been a threat to the 49ers in a couple years. They have stumbled and bumbled their way through those seasons while San Fran has consistently been a winning team. I don't believe they care about any kind of rivalry.
Please make it happen!  
nicky43 : 8/11/2014 1:53 pm : link
I seriously believe we are 1 excellent O-Line away from another SB run. And our current O-line STILL SUCKS! We need more help!
RE: AP  
AnishPatel : 8/11/2014 1:54 pm : link
In comment 11802947 JonC said:
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I think he's under-utilized at RG, and I'd wager they'd prefer to not spend more big dollars on the interior right now. His cap will grow considerably next Winter, they need to settle the tackle spots before splurging on the OL, imo.


We have the a tackle spot settled. LT isn't settled and RG isn't there. I am iffy with Walton at center, but taking a wait and see approach. So basically 3/5 spots I think sketchy. If this guy can come in and settle RG, now the middle of the line is set.

If we move Boone to RT, now you have to move Pugh, and that's 2 new positions and still center and RG are in flux.
I'd do it in a heartbeat. They are still weak on the OL.  
Victor in CT : 8/11/2014 1:59 pm : link
A young talented vet would be perfect.
I think Boone would play RG now  
bceagle05 : 8/11/2014 2:00 pm : link
then RT next year and beyond. Pugh to LT seems like an offseason switch, once Beatty is cut. Sure would be nice.
RE: I think Boone would play RG now  
phillygiant : 8/11/2014 2:04 pm : link
In comment 11802972 bceagle05 said:
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then RT next year and beyond. Pugh to LT seems like an offseason switch, once Beatty is cut. Sure would be nice.


and why are you assuming Beatty would play bad and be cut?

Yes, he didn't play well last year, but in 2011 and 2012, he was fine.

RE: RE: AP  
JonC : 8/11/2014 2:08 pm : link
In comment 11802958 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 11802947 JonC said:


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I think he's under-utilized at RG, and I'd wager they'd prefer to not spend more big dollars on the interior right now. His cap will grow considerably next Winter, they need to settle the tackle spots before splurging on the OL, imo.



We have the a tackle spot settled. LT isn't settled and RG isn't there. I am iffy with Walton at center, but taking a wait and see approach. So basically 3/5 spots I think sketchy. If this guy can come in and settle RG, now the middle of the line is set.

If we move Boone to RT, now you have to move Pugh, and that's 2 new positions and still center and RG are in flux.


Given the cap allocations involved, I'm looking further down the road than only 2014.

Beatty's future is unsettled, and Pugh is likely the backup plan at LT, at the moment.

Boone could play RG this season, but I don't think he'd be viewed as the RG moving forward, when you consider the cap allocations spent on the entire OL (with Pugh's second pro contract to be piled on top sooner than later).
For direct quote from Cole  
Connor_Hughes : 8/11/2014 2:13 pm : link
http://dividedlinesports.com/2014/08/alex-boone-traded-giants-bucs-interested/
I would think that the Giants would be interested in this trade  
BeerFridge : 8/11/2014 2:14 pm : link
But "front runners" is where the Bleacher Report is grossly overstating it. There's no question that Boone would upgrade the RG position where we seem to be considering Mosely/Loser of Center competition. So, obviously, due diligence would require them to explore the cost.

I'd expect that he would cost more than the Giants will be willing to part. But it could make a lot of sense. Beatty, IIRC, is more easily cut cap-wise next year. So if the Giants are looking at Pugh as the guy on the left then Boone on the right with a tackle sized contract would fit.
Ultimately, you want a player at his best position  
JonC : 8/11/2014 2:14 pm : link
imo it will be RT. And, I don't want $6-8M cap hit tied up at RG.
He wouldn't necessarily be tied up at guard for the long run  
BeerFridge : 8/11/2014 2:16 pm : link
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BF  
JonC : 8/11/2014 2:17 pm : link
We agree. My prior post was an add-on thought to my post before it.
RE: BF  
BeerFridge : 8/11/2014 2:20 pm : link
In comment 11803008 JonC said:
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We agree. My prior post was an add-on thought to my post before it.


Ah yes, I see that now. My bad!
No thanks. Too much cap money buying veteran OL  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2014 2:25 pm : link
particularly if he stays at Guard. At Tackle, maybe but still probably no.

Why do we need him anyway...Giants rushed for 170 yards last weekend.
RE: Boone would play T for us.. Unless Beatty somehow regained form..  
The 12th Man : 8/11/2014 2:27 pm : link
In comment 11802896 Damon said:
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Which is about as likely as SF trading us Boone in the first place.. All things equal they would not trade him to the Giants. If there is one team outside of their division that they consider a rival it's us.


So your telling me that the Saints are not rivals too. They will make the trade if they can not get this guy signed and in camp to the highest bidder. Plain and simple this is about making your team better. Plus if you asked the football community right now they will tell you that the saints will have a better year than the Giants. Therefore, picks equal might be better for the 49ers to take our pick.
RE: A 3rd round pick would be a steal for a 27 year old  
Mark from Jersey : 8/11/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 11802891 Curtis in VA said:
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who has pretty close to Pro Bowl potential.

Especially when most of our 3rd round picks don't amount to much anyway.


Bah!
Charlie Brown won't make it out of camp  
andrew_nyg : 8/11/2014 2:31 pm : link
and John Jerry will be AT BEST a back-up.

You make this trade without blinking and never look back.

I don't care if Boone plays G or LT (though if he could hold down LT that would be a HUGE bonus).

Assuming he plays G, let him have LG along side Beatty, Richburg earns starting C and Schwartz plays RG with Pugh at RT.

You actually have a very talented young line with what may be a decent back-up C/G in Walton.

The depth is still razor thin, but fuck it at least they would have good starters.
RE: Would be a sad state of affairs if they had to sign an expensive FA  
SoZKillA : 8/11/2014 2:31 pm : link
In comment 11802926 Bino5 said:
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and trade to get their starting Guards. It should be a relatively easy position to fill via the draft.


Why would it be sad ? The guys a top 5 Guard in the NFL, you're crazy if you wouldn't want that on this team.
they could package Jernigan in a trade  
Andy in Boston : 8/11/2014 2:34 pm : link
with a 4th or 5th rounder.
If 49ers need a slot WR....and the Giants feel really good about Harris and Washington, I could see Jernigan being trade bait. Thoughts?
RE: they could package Jernigan in a trade  
phillygiant : 8/11/2014 2:36 pm : link
In comment 11803041 Andy in Boston said:
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with a 4th or 5th rounder.
If 49ers need a slot WR....and the Giants feel really good about Harris and Washington, I could see Jernigan being trade bait. Thoughts?


Why would the Niners need a slot when they have Anquan Boldin?
RE: Charlie Brown won't make it out of camp  
nicky43 : 8/11/2014 2:44 pm : link
In comment 11803034 andrew_nyg said:
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and John Jerry will be AT BEST a back-up.

You make this trade without blinking and never look back.

I don't care if Boone plays G or LT (though if he could hold down LT that would be a HUGE bonus).

Assuming he plays G, let him have LG along side Beatty, Richburg earns starting C and Schwartz plays RG with Pugh at RT.

You actually have a very talented young line with what may be a decent back-up C/G in Walton.

The depth is still razor thin, but fuck it at least they would have good starters.


Good post. Completely agree with that lineup. When we took Walton I was hoping he would be the answer at center which made me upset with the Richburg draft but watching Walton these two games I'm nervous about him. I really like our chances this year if we can get this line improved from what we have now.

he's be a G, the same position he plays now  
GiantsFan84 : 8/11/2014 3:00 pm : link
if he's as good as he's made out to be a 3rd round pick for him is perfectly fine. if they drafted a G in rd 3 nobody would have a problem, here you know what you are getting

the only question to me is does he fit within the cap
I don't get anyone saying we are "set" anywhere on the O-line  
Giants11 : 8/11/2014 3:00 pm : link
I understand it's the pre-season, but have you watched the past 2 games? The starting o-line has gotten an extended run in both and they are getting little to no push. Now I know lines need time to gain chemistry together and I am patient enough to let it happen if we have no better options. However if we have a shot at this guy it looks clearly like an upgrade over what we have there now. You are not getting a sure talent like this in the 3rd rd. Sure a 3rd rd. pick has the potential to be that good, but this is pretty much a sure thing.
Every line in the NFL is razor thin IMO.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/11/2014 3:02 pm : link
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If he is traded  
Defenderdawg : 8/11/2014 3:03 pm : link
Right now Looney and others are not measuring up as replacements is SF...MG tweeted Saturday that a team had called and were told he wasn't available...

I would think Tampa Bay would be a favorite, their line is a train wreck and they have spent a lot of money on the rest of the roster, with Lovie there they aren't waiting around for next year...

If the Giants view him strictly as a guard I don't see them doing this as they already have a large investment in Schwartz...

Tackle possibly but like or not they have a huge investment in Beatty...

BTW Dottino tweeted this morning the Giants starting TE might not be on the current roster...

I would do it in my perfect NFL world, but I think this talk of a 3rd or 4th pick is not giving the 49ers enough credit...a second would required and if they don't get it the 49ers will let Boone sit, they have enough talent and enough contracts to negotiate that they can wait and not set a bad precedent by giving into demands...
I never said I wouldn't want him on the team  
Bino5 : 8/11/2014 3:04 pm : link
still no reason they should need him on the team if they are drafting better.
the only way i do this  
Mr. Nickels : 8/11/2014 3:39 pm : link
is if he is signed to be the starting RT and Pugh officially moves to LT. Beatty as first backup until his contract expires then he is gone.
between  
Mr. Nickels : 8/11/2014 3:42 pm : link
Schwartz Moseley Richburg Walton I am content with our interior
JonC,  
AnishPatel : 8/11/2014 3:46 pm : link
In comment 11802991 JonC said:
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Given the cap allocations involved, I'm looking further down the road than only 2014.

Beatty's future is unsettled, and Pugh is likely the backup plan at LT, at the moment.

Boone could play RG this season, but I don't think he'd be viewed as the RG moving forward, when you consider the cap allocations spent on the entire OL (with Pugh's second pro contract to be piled on top sooner than later).



Yeah long term I agree, we can do whatever. I guess I was talking about just this year. But I am down to make this deal this year.
I'm all for this deal.  
Optimus-NY : 8/11/2014 4:24 pm : link
Boone's cap number for 2014 is $2.59M. The Giants have the room for this deal. They're roughly $9M under the cap now.

Here's Boone's contractual breakdown (via OverTheCap.com)...


Alex Boone's Salary Cap page - from OverTheCap.com - ( New Window )
I would be shocked  
Spock : 8/11/2014 4:26 pm : link
If SF traded him to us.
I think NYG  
Sy'56 : 8/11/2014 4:37 pm : link
will add another piece to the OL before the regular season starts....but not via trade. SF will likely demand a 3rd rounder for Boone, possibly a 4th and I don't see Reese doing that considering the contract.

RE: I think NYG  
andrew_nyg : 8/11/2014 4:43 pm : link
In comment 11803291 Sy'56 said:
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will add another piece to the OL before the regular season starts....but not via trade. SF will likely demand a 3rd rounder for Boone, possibly a 4th and I don't see Reese doing that considering the contract.


Reese would be a FOOL not to give up a 3rd (leave alone a 4th) to get Boone.
Name ONE Offensive lineman on the Giants roster better than him.

If SF is willing, and he didn't do it, he should be FIRED.
RE: I think NYG  
Victor in CT : 8/11/2014 4:50 pm : link
In comment 11803291 Sy'56 said:
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will add another piece to the OL before the regular season starts....but not via trade. SF will likely demand a 3rd rounder for Boone, possibly a 4th and I don't see Reese doing that considering the contract.


Besides, he needs picks to trade up for another Ryan Nassib.
Or Ramses Barden. :-)
Anything  
geemanfan : 8/11/2014 4:52 pm : link
That makes our roster better and gets Charlie Brown off the team I'm all for.
RE: I'm all for this deal.  
Enoch : 8/11/2014 4:52 pm : link
In comment 11803276 Optimus-NY said:
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Boone's cap number for 2014 is $2.59M. The Giants have the room for this deal. They're roughly $9M under the cap now.

Here's Boone's contractual breakdown (via OverTheCap.com)...
Alex Boone's Salary Cap page - from OverTheCap.com - ( New Window )


But isn't he holding out precisely because he isn't willing to play for that kind of contract? Don't you have to assume that any trade would be followed up with a contract that would get him to report?
I'd give a 3rd...  
rptl530 : 8/11/2014 4:57 pm : link
if a deal thru '17 or '18 could be worked out. Seems almost like a no-brainer to me, especially since he's technically a G and would sign a Guard like extension.

That said, I know it won't happen, so....
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SoZKillA : 8/11/2014 5:23 pm : link
Why wouldn't you trade the pick? It's not like Reese's 3rd and 4th rounders have been home runs for us the past few years.
Reese  
PaulN : 8/11/2014 10:53 pm : link
Better wake the fuck up and get this OLine some talent. His pick at center with Walton was HORRIBLE, and people penciling him in there just baffled me, based on what should he be penciled into anything. If you have the opportunity to get Boone, you do it and do it fast. This is going to be a long season if they do not get this OLine improved, and right now this OLine is not improved at all.
Not improved at all?  
arcarsenal : 8/11/2014 10:56 pm : link
Based on what?

Did you watch the shit show we had out there last year? There's actually a very good chance it has improved.

How much remains to be seen.
I would imagine they would wait for cuts  
Toastt34 : 8/11/2014 11:00 pm : link
before giving up a pick. At this point, I would take "serviceable" at left tackle.
serviceable  
MookGiants : 8/11/2014 11:04 pm : link
left tackles rarely ever get cut in training camp.
RE: RE: I'm all for this deal.  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2014 2:35 am : link
In comment 11803314 Enoch said:
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In comment 11803276 Optimus-NY said:


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Boone's cap number for 2014 is $2.59M. The Giants have the room for this deal. They're roughly $9M under the cap now.

Here's Boone's contractual breakdown (via OverTheCap.com)...
Alex Boone's Salary Cap page - from OverTheCap.com - ( New Window )



But isn't he holding out precisely because he isn't willing to play for that kind of contract? Don't you have to assume that any trade would be followed up with a contract that would get him to report?


Great question Enoch. That's the key to this whole thing actually. The agent and the teams that are interested in him would have to see if they have the the cap room to accommodate his contractual demands.

The Niners are victims of their own success now when it comes to the cap (they're actually around $9M under it now--similar to the Giants). They're not going to be able to keep all of the good players they've accumulated on their roster though in the very near future. They're ok for this year, but going forward they're going to have to let vets go, and use their draft picks to keep their overall cap spending within the mandated limit.

The time to raid the rosters of top teams like SF and SEA is now and next year. Let's see if SF is even willing to let him go first. I'd be all over this though if the financial parameters are worked out. A 3rd round pick for Boone is a bargain. This guy can fill the hole at RG this year, and then bounce out to RT next year...something which he'd be happy to do because of the inevitable increase in market value/raise he'd get from switching from OG to OT.

Anthony Davis was blocking Boone from doing that for SF. He'd be able to do that for the Giants in 2015 if they cut Will "Beat me" (a distinct possibility), and then move Pugh to LOT, leaving a vacancy at ROT for Boone to fill.


NFLPA Cap Space website - ( New Window )
I just think that  
Enoch : 8/12/2014 6:35 am : link
the right to pay a guy what he wants to be paid is not a valuable trade commodity, and giving up meaningful draft resources to get an expensive veteran is not an efficient way to build a roster.

I'm also less convinced than you are that releasing Beatty and moving Pugh to the left side upgrades that position.
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