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Marcus "Soup" Harris & Corey Washington

Headhunter : 8/12/2014 7:39 am
Do they both make it? Who has the edge as of today? I knew very little if anything about either guy less than a month ago. They have both been mentioned a lot.
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Robbie  
mushroom : 8/12/2014 8:44 am : link
I agree but will the Giants keep MM and his experience over Harris with the hope MM recovers fully?
RE: Robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 8:45 am : link
In comment 11803900 mushroom said:
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I agree but will the Giants keep MM and his experience over Harris with the hope MM recovers fully?


I don't even think it is a question at this point. The answer is no. He got his surgery like two years ago, I think.
klaatu  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 8:48 am : link
I'm also not worried about his hands either with these stats in college.

3,207 yards on 189 receptions (17.0 avg.) with 31 touchdowns in two years.

Herr is the link to his most recent article.
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I'd like to see both make it  
beatrixkiddo : 8/12/2014 8:52 am : link
Both have been pleasant surprises. I think Washington has a spot right now, he has shown continuous improvement and brings something no other Receiver has to the table.

Harris has shown an ability to separate and make big catches to. If he can show he can be a solid ST player, I think he has the edge over Manningham and Holliday.

Now, if we only can find a TE we have a pretty damn good passing threat.
harris and washington  
SBlue46 : 8/12/2014 8:52 am : link
Can be good ST players
I think Harris will have no problem finding  
beatrixkiddo : 8/12/2014 8:57 am : link
a way to contribute on ST. He used to return punts.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf1bPtlw4Tw
RE: Is it possible that both Jernigan and Manningham don't make the team  
Klaatu : 8/12/2014 9:04 am : link
In comment 11803895 Bold Ruler said:
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But Harris and Washington do?



I think it's very possible. I've never been a fan of Jernigan. I hated the pick, and nothing he's done in the past three years has made me change my mind about him. I'd cut him in a New York minute...John Mara be damned.

I hate to say it about a guy who came up big for us in 2011, but Manningham's time has passed. I think the knee injuries have taken their toll...he's just not the same guy. It's a damned shame.
I can't believe I'm saying it  
GMenLTS : 8/12/2014 9:05 am : link
but I think we struck cruz-like UDFA gold again with Washington.

Still early but man his performance thus far does not look like a flash in the pan. The size, the way he attacks the ball in the air, the hands themselves.. And if you read about the kid, his confidence, where his head's at, I don't like betting against those types of hard working, gifted individuals.

Here's hoping..
RE: RE: Janis may not get cut, they lost  
YAJ2112 : 8/12/2014 9:09 am : link
In comment 11803886 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 11803871 barens said:


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one of their rookie draft picks to a torn ACL, so they might not be as loaded as you think.



I never said he was getting cut. I said if he doesn't make the final 53.

Right now they have Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams and a bunch of other guys competing for spots. Janis missed two weeks because of shingles so it is no guarantee that he makes the team. I'm just saying if he doesn't I would love to take a chance on a WR with his size and extremely rare speed/quickness. As we know we need some height in our receiving corps.


If he isn't injured (and we wouldn't want him if he's injured) and he isn't on the final 53, then he would be cut.
great  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2014 9:13 am : link
question and one of the better football threads this week.
You are missing what i am saying  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 9:15 am : link
I am saying I never said he was DEFINITELY getting cut. I said IF he got cut. Obviously I know not making the team means you are cut, you go through waivers and then go to the PS if the team wants you there and you agree to it.
nobody said you said he was definitely being cut  
YAJ2112 : 8/12/2014 9:29 am : link
barens was just pointing out that it's less likely now based on the injury to Abbrederis
I have agreed that he may not get cut  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 9:35 am : link
But there was an article written today that says he has played well but there is a chance he doesn't make the final roster. I hate arguing over semantics. All I said was IF he gets cut I would absolutely look into signing him. That's it. End of story. We don't need to get into the details of why he would get cut or the percentages of him getting cut. There is a chance and I would jump at that opportunity. Obviously it depends on more than just our WR position with who is rounding out the bottom part of our roster as well but that should go without saying as well.
and the article was written after the injury to  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 9:37 am : link
Their rookie WR so that is not something that just happened and would change the essence of the article.
robbie  
YAJ2112 : 8/12/2014 9:43 am : link
if you hate arguing over semantics, then why are you arguing with yourself? No one else said he definitely would or wouldn't get cut or that he would or wouldn't be an interesting pick up.
because that is the way i took it  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 9:46 am : link
and the way your post sounded. If that is not the case and that is not the way you meant it then no problem.
RE: RE: 6 WRs  
AnishPatel : 8/12/2014 9:47 am : link
In comment 11803891 Klaatu said:
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In comment 11803867 English Alaister said:


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4 outside guys - Randle, Beckham, Harris, Washington

2 slot guys - Cruz, Jernigan

The only real issue with that as I see it is the lack of special teams ability from the group.



Harris wouldn't be an "outside guy." He'd back up Cruz in the slot. He's also been working as a gunner on special teams.


I wouldn't get caught up on who plays where. I thought I saw JJ play outside. There are many different personnel packages where guys can rotate in different spots. So I would don't get bogged down on when you can have personnel packages where guys are all over.
I was just making sure you  
YAJ2112 : 8/12/2014 9:53 am : link
weren't saying he could go to the PS without being cut (which wasn't clear in the quoted post), and you clarified that you knew that. No problems on my end.
Boom Boom Washington  
Randy in CT : 8/12/2014 9:53 am : link
will not get cut if he keeps on at this rate.
I think English  
mushroom : 8/12/2014 9:56 am : link
has it right. Cruz,Randle, Beckham, JJ,Washington and Harris all make the team. Only question is do they keep Holiday over JJ.
No way Jernigan is being cut  
Hondo : 8/12/2014 10:06 am : link
Reese is pissed off Coughlin took so long to start using him.

I think we could keep 7 WRs  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 10:07 am : link
The reason I say that is because with Gilbride's offense we only had a max of three receivers on the field at most. With McAdoo I can see us going with an empty backfield on occasion with five wide. Now, I'm sure they all wouldn't be WRs but a TE here a RB there but we could still go four wide. With that said, I think five WRs make no sense. Also, our TEs suck so why keep more TEs just to get a complete TE? Keep an extra WR over a shitty TE. I know it isn't likely but it wouldn't surprise me. McAdoo said he would tailor the offense around the talent so therefore it would make sense to keep more WRs. Yes, we need TEs to block but you don't have to keep three TEs. We can keep two and we can use an extra OL for short yardage situations.
As soon as Eric compliments the thread  
CT Charlie : 8/12/2014 10:10 am : link
it goes straight down the tubes...
Sounds and looks like Washington  
TMS : 8/12/2014 10:17 am : link
is showing "Plaxico" like skills this preseason. Big, rangy with speed and good hands. He has an attitude about intimidating defenders getting off the line and fighting for the ball. Hard to resist when you remember ELI's success with PB. Watching him catch that corner fade TD brought back some great memories
Robbie,  
AnishPatel : 8/12/2014 10:31 am : link
We can do that and give it to a FB for short yardage. I like what I am seeing so far in giving the ball to the FB to get the 1st down.
Tall guys with good hands tend to  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2014 10:31 am : link
make QBs very happy.

I was surprised when one of the beat-writers also mentioned he was running good routes as well. Would not expect that.

Looks like Mr. Washington will be on everybody's eyes this weekend...
RE: I think we could keep 7 WRs  
mattlawson : 8/12/2014 10:33 am : link
In comment 11804025 robbieballs2003 said:
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The reason I say that is because with Gilbride's offense we only had a max of three receivers on the field at most. With McAdoo I can see us going with an empty backfield on occasion with five wide. Now, I'm sure they all wouldn't be WRs but a TE here a RB there but we could still go four wide. With that said, I think five WRs make no sense. Also, our TEs suck so why keep more TEs just to get a complete TE? Keep an extra WR over a shitty TE. I know it isn't likely but it wouldn't surprise me. McAdoo said he would tailor the offense around the talent so therefore it would make sense to keep more WRs. Yes, we need TEs to block but you don't have to keep three TEs. We can keep two and we can use an extra OL for short yardage situations.



I think with the talent we have and coming off an "our offense was broken" year -- we need to keep 7WRs. Holliday has too much potential to be cut. Need the 7.
If we are going to keep 7 WRs though  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 10:39 am : link
We will need to put the 53 man roster together to see if it is possible because it just isn't WRs battling the WRs. Do we keel 2 QBs? 2 FB? Etc.
TMS I agree with  
OldPolack : 8/12/2014 10:45 am : link
you 100 %, Eli has not passed to him with game conditions.
See how that combination works.
RE: If we are going to keep 7 WRs though  
GIANTSr01 : 8/12/2014 10:49 am : link
In comment 11804113 robbieballs2003 said:
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We will need to put the 53 man roster together to see if it is possible because it just isn't WRs battling the WRs. Do we keel 2 QBs? 2 FB? Etc.


I think this is the "typical" offensive roster breakdown:

3 QB
5 RB (1 FB)
6 WR
3 TE
9 OL

So if you want to keep a 7th WR, there are plenty of ways to create the extra spot. The obvious choice is to drop a QB, but they could also drop an OL and still have reasonable depth there. Or go with 3 TE/FB types.
I just think if you want a goal line package  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 10:54 am : link
You go with 7 OL (2 as TEs) and 2 FBs with us being in our full house backfield. That would be nice to see.
and i doubt that happens though because i dont think  
robbieballs2003 : 8/12/2014 10:55 am : link
You would be able to dress two FBs.
I think  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/12/2014 10:58 am : link
Washington's physical profile and big guy skillset makes him a more unique player which gives him a slight edge over Harris imo. So if I had to pick between the two, I think Washington is more likely to make the team.

But Harris has supposedly been the most consistent WR on the entire team in camp, tough to cut the guy when he is showing that kind of ability. I really don't know if he can keep both. Luckily, we have a few more weeks to figure it out.
RE: and i doubt that happens though because i dont think  
GIANTSr01 : 8/12/2014 10:59 am : link
In comment 11804151 robbieballs2003 said:
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You would be able to dress two FBs.


I'd be surprised if they keep 2 FBs. Sounds like a better chance they don't keep any.

I can easily see:
2 QB
7 WR
9 OL
4 RB
1 FB
2 TE
Total: 24

9 DL
6 LB
6 CB
5 S
Total: 26

3 Specials (basically 4 if Holliday is 1 of the WR)

I don't see Jernigan as a lock  
njm : 8/12/2014 11:02 am : link
He better pick it up in the next 2 preseason games.

The question of who returns punts/kicks is clearly relevant.
RE: No way Jernigan is being cut  
barens : 8/12/2014 11:21 am : link
In comment 11804024 Hondo said:
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Reese is pissed off Coughlin took so long to start using him.


Really?
Can history repeat?  
Jay in Toronto : 8/12/2014 11:29 am : link
One of them will destroy the Jets and off we go :-)
Best thing to come out of camp  
jLefty : 8/12/2014 12:09 pm : link
Two WR's with speed and ability who were free agents. Sign of some good luck for blue. Now if the o-line gets going...
both of them have shown more  
Peter from CT : 8/12/2014 12:46 pm : link
than any other receivers on the team this spring. They have not come close to their ceilings. If the Giants don't keep these guys they are nuts.
RE: No way Jernigan is being cut  
Klaatu : 8/12/2014 1:06 pm : link
In comment 11804024 Hondo said:
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Reese is pissed off Coughlin took so long to start using him.


Maybe Coughlin's pissed off Reese drafted him. I know I am.
Both should make the team unless they fall apart in the next 3 weeks.  
Red Dog : 8/12/2014 1:07 pm : link
If Harris can be a decent gunner, he will definitely make the team. They need more good gunners to go with Zach Bowman, and he looks like the only one of the WRs that can contribute there. JJ certainly can't. Harris can also return kicks and punts, so he's the real deal for special teams.

Washington has kick-off and punt return experience in college, and with his hands, size, and speed, he ought to get a shot at the return jobs this summer. Unless he comes apart down the stretch, he should make the team regardless. He's the biggest receiver they have (the long awaited Plax replacement?) and has too much potential to ignore after what he's shown so far this summer.

It would be criminal to dump either of these guys in favor of the chronic under-achiever Jernigan or the obviously diminished Manningham. However, JJ is still not completely out of the picture.

It currently appears that the 6th and last WR spot (Cruz, Randle, and Beckham are the first three) will probably come down to JJ or Preston Parker, and it could go either way based on what happens in the next three weeks. There are arguments for and against each. I think Parker is a little bit ahead right now based on both history in the league and better special teams ability and play. But it is still close and definitely could change. And Talley is still sort of in the picture, too, albeit farther back.

As for Manningham, I was really happy to have him back, but it is becoming very apparent that he is nowhere near what he once was, and he probably doesn't make the team. However, if he doesn't catch on elsewhere, they should keep his number handy just in case the injury bug strikes the WRs and they need him down the road somewhere.
RE: RE: and i doubt that happens though because i dont think  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2014 1:17 pm : link
In comment 11804157 GIANTSr01 said:
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In comment 11804151 robbieballs2003 said:


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You would be able to dress two FBs.



I'd be surprised if they keep 2 FBs. Sounds like a better chance they don't keep any.

I can easily see:
2 QB
7 WR
9 OL
4 RB
1 FB
2 TE
Total: 24

9 DL
6 LB
6 CB
5 S
Total: 26

3 Specials (basically 4 if Holliday is 1 of the WR)


Look for 3 Tight Ends, not because they are worth it but its clear they being used heavily by the new OC.

Probably have to lose a WR or CB, whomever contributes least on Specials.
There was a thread last week  
Reale01 : 8/12/2014 2:54 pm : link
Interesting to see the discussion evolve.

I think they both make it.

They may keep only 5 LBs. I think we keep at least 6 WRs and 7 if they think Holliday can be a game changer on punt returns. If OB3 shows something on punt returns then Holliday and Parker are gone.


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RE: RE: and i doubt that happens though because i dont think  
Brandon Walsh : 8/12/2014 4:10 pm : link
In comment 11804157 GIANTSr01 said:
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In comment 11804151 robbieballs2003 said:


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You would be able to dress two FBs.



I'd be surprised if they keep 2 FBs. Sounds like a better chance they don't keep any.

I can easily see:
2 QB
7 WR
9 OL
4 RB
1 FB
2 TE
Total: 24

9 DL
6 LB
6 CB
5 S
Total: 26

3 Specials (basically 4 if Holliday is 1 of the WR)


You're offense adds up to 25
RE: RE: No way Jernigan is being cut  
Mason : 8/12/2014 4:11 pm : link
In comment 11804358 Klaatu said:
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In comment 11804024 Hondo said:


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Reese is pissed off Coughlin took so long to start using him.




Maybe Coughlin's pissed off Reese drafted him. I know I am.


Not starting this again but JJ is a Coughlin, Sullivan and Reese guy. Everybody was on board with that pick, I remember pre-draft discussions and threads on here about JJ being a great fit for the Giants after SS injury/contract issues. I think that was one of the reasons Mara singled him out last year.
if special teams  
santacruzom : 8/12/2014 4:17 pm : link
is the reason why we lose a promising rookie WR, I'm just going to have to wait until we have a new staff to really feel optimistic about this team.

But maybe they ought to try Washington on the return unit, seeing as to how he can do
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RE: RE: Is it possible that both Jernigan and Manningham don't make the team  
Btucker : 8/12/2014 10:01 pm : link
In comment 11803918 Klaatu said:
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In comment 11803895 Bold Ruler said:


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But Harris and Washington do?





I think it's very possible. I've never been a fan of Jernigan. I hated the pick, and nothing he's done in the past three years has made me change my mind about him. I'd cut him in a New York minute...John Mara be damned.

I hate to say it about a guy who came up big for us in 2011, but Manningham's time has passed. I think the knee injuries have taken their toll...he's just not the same guy. It's a damned shame.


Agree completely with Klaatu - Jernigan is way too inconsistent and cannot stay healthy. Sadly, Manninham is done.
I'd like to see both Harris and Washington included in final 53 - also think Giants should take a serious look at Travis Harvey - has consistently gotten open in practice and preseason and caught everything thrown his way.
One on one move he put on Prince in practice was best move of camp.
Does anyone think this team is really worse  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2014 10:06 pm : link
by keeping Harris and Washington over Jernigan and Manningham?

Might as well give the young guys a chance if they are performing in live action.
RE: Both should make the team unless they fall apart in the next 3 weeks.  
Btucker : 8/12/2014 10:08 pm : link
In comment 11804359 Red Dog said:
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If Harris can be a decent gunner, he will definitely make the team. They need more good gunners to go with Zach Bowman, and he looks like the only one of the WRs that can contribute there. JJ certainly can't. Harris can also return kicks and punts, so he's the real deal for special teams.

Washington has kick-off and punt return experience in college, and with his hands, size, and speed, he ought to get a shot at the return jobs this summer. Unless he comes apart down the stretch, he should make the team regardless. He's the biggest receiver they have (the long awaited Plax replacement?) and has too much potential to ignore after what he's shown so far this summer.

It would be criminal to dump either of these guys in favor of the chronic under-achiever Jernigan or the obviously diminished Manningham. However, JJ is still not completely out of the picture.

It currently appears that the 6th and last WR spot (Cruz, Randle, and Beckham are the first three) will probably come down to JJ or Preston Parker, and it could go either way based on what happens in the next three weeks. There are arguments for and against each. I think Parker is a little bit ahead right now based on both history in the league and better special teams ability and play. But it is still close and definitely could change. And Talley is still sort of in the picture, too, albeit farther back.

As for Manningham, I was really happy to have him back, but it is becoming very apparent that he is nowhere near what he once was, and he probably doesn't make the team. However, if he doesn't catch on elsewhere, they should keep his number handy just in case the injury bug strikes the WRs and they need him down the road somewhere.


JJ needs to go along with Manningham - Harris and Washington stay - you forgot Travis Harvey who has performed better in camp and preseason games than Parker.
RE: Does anyone think this team is really worse  
Btucker : 8/12/2014 10:11 pm : link
In comment 11805027 Jimmy Googs said:
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by keeping Harris and Washington over Jernigan and Manningham?

Might as well give the young guys a chance if they are performing in live action.


COMPLETELY AGREE!
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