just a move to give Painter one last shot to earn a roster spot. They want to carry 2 QB's but if Painter looks really good this week maybe they'll carry 3.
I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
what you is absolutely true. However we traded up in the 4th round to take him which begs a question about our scouting and talent evaluation. He's going to need to get dramatically better in the next few weeks.
I have no clue why Curtis Painter is even in the NFL at this point. Â
roster spots are precious and I dont think Nassib has been as bad as most people say. And lets be honest I havent seen anything in Painters past or present that makes him a NFL quarterback and playing well against the Steelers scrub squad shows me nothing.
most teams and draft "experts" had at least a second round grade on Nassib, including the Giants, which is why "gasp" they gave up a sixth round pick to move up. If we're going strickly by performance Saturday night, Eli would be third string in practice this week. Nassib moved the team in both Pre-Season games this year and can make all the throws. Will he be ready this year if something happens to Eli? My guess is not. However, by next year I think he will be a very capable backup with upside. I don't think the Giants grabbed him in the fourth round thinking he was a starting caliber QB in years 1 or 2.
If I know Coughlin, Nassib's complete lack of attention, awareness and hustle when he threw that tipped lateral that Pittsburgh scored on is still burning a whole in TC's gut. Forget the fact that it was a throw that probably shouldn't have been made - Nassib needs to see that defender but that will come with experience. To not be aware that the pass might be a lateral (no one had a better vantage spot!) and react aggressively instead of turning your back to the play and walking back to the huddle is inexcusable. It's a sign of perceived self-importance that won't sit well with our head coach. My bet is that it's been mentioned more than once and this demotion is a reminder to Ryan that he's there to support the team, not the other way around.
That said, assuming he reacts the way you'd expect him to - Nassib's the #2 QB at the end of pre-season.
fbdad - I agree and has same thought earlier in this thread. Â
As of last week, he was an ankle injury away from running this team.
This guy is NOT the future QB of the Giants. His throwing motion sucks, he projects his passes, he panics far too quickly...and in an offense where his natural athletic ability should give him a competitive edge...he looks below average.
Maybe the Bills need a back-up and Reese can clear away some of the rotten EGG on his face by salvaging a pick for him.
I don't believe the long term back up and potential heir apparent to Eli is on the roster.
honestly, I knew Hoss could manage our O well enough. We had a very good OL and we ran the ball efficiently enough. What I "knew" was that the D would rise as they had to and keep us in the hunt for the hardware..
You know me well enough to know I'm not being revisionist..I thought we still could do it, albeit I didn't expect Hoss to rise AS MUCH as he did when it mattered
I do believe they are sending Nassib a message more than anything else. With the investment they have in him they will give him every opportunity to win the #2 spot.
That said, I agree with those who don't see the high ceiling with him. I don't like the way he throws the ball at all, and he makes terrible decisions. At this point I think Painter is a better QB as far as touch and game mgmt, and after a year and change I feel Nassib should be showing things that would make me want him in the game over a QB like Painter.
I knew I would miss David Carr. For as much as people destroyed him around here you really couldn't ask for many better backup QBs to have on your roster as an insurance policy. At least we could have won some games with him if Eli had to miss time.
That said, I hope I'm wrong. I root for all Giants, so if Nassib turns it around and becomes the next very mobile, very successful, 70's porn mustache wearing backup QB, I'm certainly a VERY happy fan.
there doesn't seem to be a remote chance this year, that the Giants carry 3 qb's and waste another roster spot again....I'd rather make room for another OL man....
Neither one is head and shoulders above the other.....both fold under pressure......
If Eli goes down, we win with neither one......
I find it hard to believe the Giants would cut or attempt to put Nassib on the practice squad, where he might be snapped up by some desperate team.....they will not admit, in only his second year, that they wasted two draft picks on this guy.....it's not the Giant way....
I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
The worst case is that they again carry three QBs, two of which there is pretty likely no chance of winning with (unless they go through another improbable stretch like last year, against QBs that don't even belong in the NFL).
The draft picks are sunk cost at this point that the team can't do anything about. Wasting roster spots are the gift that may keep on giving, because if they go with Painter as #2, they're not likely going to do the right thing, in that case, and cut Nassib.
Randle ran the wrong route on one throw I thought looked good, and Manningham's cut was really bad on another route that would've netted a solid gain.
I'm not concerned about our WRs, but they are playing like shit so far.
Granted, the sample size was small, but that Steelers game was the first time I've seen Nassib look down field, excluding times times he spotted a solid 1-on-1 opportunity (i.e. Corey Washington) and just chucked it.
...a 4th round QB who has played in parts of two pre-season games. Last year means nothing; he was studying a completely different system and rarely got to even throw a pass (none at all in team-vs-team action).
This year he's basically a rookie QB in a brand new system and has had limited game experience. Does he have flaws? You betcha! Does EVERY QB have flaws? Same answer. Do QBs grow and, under the proper tutelage, shed some of those flaws? Yup.
Let's at least give him until the end of the preseason before we pronounce him as dog shit on toast/the next QB of the Giants. I kind of doubt that he'll be neither.
".....Let's at least give him until the end of the preseason before we pronounce him as dog shit on toast/the next QB of the Giants. I kind of doubt that he'll be neither...."
I think you fail to understand the magnitude of knowledgeable personnel assessments on here..Most here could easily run a rather recent two-time champion franchise..A little respect, sir
as you know, some on here are lacking in common sense. Andrew says his throwing motion sucks - why didn't the Giants Brass see that prior to drafting him??? On a serious note, i'm with those who think keeping Painter is wasting a roster spot, no logical reason for it. Chances are he'll be available at any time during the season if necessary.
...are just to send Nassib a message that he has to earn his position on the team, especially after the incompletion/lateral/fumble. Coughlin wants him to know that if he keeps making stupid mistakes, he'll play himself off the team.
Painter probably will get second team reps in the next game, but Nassib will get them in all-important 4th preseason game (3rd preseason game for every other team).
it's all about evaluating Painter against a higher level of competition, and nothing at all to do with Nassib? Isn't it rather routine to alternate the competition when a spot is up for grabs?
Hoss played only in a handful of games before the playoff run.
His best moment was the late win against the Cardinals when Simms was hurt. But before that, it was Rutledge who was called upon. Parcells even bench Hoss down in New Orleans for Rutledge (and Hoss was furious).
After Simms got hurt against the Bills, the Giants offense did not look good against the Cards and Patriots (Hostetler was dreadful against the Patriots in the regular season finale).
Everyone - including every Giant fan I knew - had written the Giants off.
Simms was the problem? That's typical anti-Simms crap ... we'll hear that about Eli too when he is done.
Point is...Giants fans knew as little or was as unimpressed by Hostetler as they are now about Nassib.
I'm not comparing the two other than the situation.
it's been a while but I think people are forgetting. some may have liked Hoss as a back-up but there was not confidence at all when Simms went down. In fact, most, including fans, projected that we were cooked.
It was a surprise beyond surprises the run the Giants went on with Hoss in the driver's seat.
Hoss played only in a handful of games before the playoff run.
His best moment was the late win against the Cardinals when Simms was hurt. But before that, it was Rutledge who was called upon. Parcells even bench Hoss down in New Orleans for Rutledge (and Hoss was furious).
After Simms got hurt against the Bills, the Giants offense did not look good against the Cards and Patriots (Hostetler was dreadful against the Patriots in the regular season finale).
Everyone - including every Giant fan I knew - had written the Giants off.
Simms was the problem? That's typical anti-Simms crap ... we'll hear that about Eli too when he is done.
Point is...Giants fans knew as little or was as unimpressed by Hostetler as they are now about Nassib.
I'm not comparing the two other than the situation.
Yeah but we knew Hoss well. As far as Parcells benching Hoss for Rutledge even Parcells realizes now i'm sure, that it was a mistake.
As far as Hoss looking dreadful, we have plenty of evidence of Simms looking horrible also.
I rarely write the Giants off, especialy back then.
Simms wasn't done he just wasn't who we needed at that time. We had the luxury of a capable and different skill set QB in Hofstetler.
We knew a damn lot about both Hoss and Simms to feel just fine when the time had come.
Rutledge over Hoss... I forgot Hoss was behind Rutledge on the depth chart!
[Shivers] LOL
Actually if I remember right he rarely ever saw the field and was very vocally pissed about that fact... lol
I for one can admit that I never thought we had a chance in hell to do anything after Simms went down in Buffalo... Though I became a (optimistically hopeful) believer after we beat Da Bears.
Nassib will have to really wet the bed not to end up as the #2 Â
I was not overly concerned about Hoss replacing Simms, once the initial shock of the Simms loss hit me a few days later..I truly felt Hoss would manage things fine, but the D would have to carry the day..Both occured
Or something like that. Eric I suspect that you'd have more luck arguing with a tree than that guy above! Heading into the game in which he was hurt in 1990, the Giants were 11-2 and Phil was having the best year of his career. AND EVEN THEN THE THINKING IN THE FOOTBALL WORLD WAS THAT THE 49ers WERE PRETTY MUCH A LOCK TO 3-PEAT. Meanwhile, Hoss had started two games in his 4-year career (one of which as you noted he was pulled at halftime for the #3 guy) and at the time he entered the Buffalo game had a career completion % of 53% and had thrown as many picks as TDs. In fact the only thing he'd done as a QB that Phil hadn't was block a punt! So why wouldn't a sane Giants fan be happy see Hoss start ahead of Phil. Makes sense to me!
I recall feeling that the season was kind of slipping away even before Simms got hurt. The Giants got punched in the mouth by the Eagles, and then there was the big showdown with the Niners where, despite a great effort, the team was lacking an offensive spark.
No one was in good spirits after losing to the Bills at home and finding out Simms was done. Not sure I agree that everybody was just giving up though since the division was still ours and a home playoff game to boot.
The last two regular season games watching Hoss run around the field like a crazy man was interesting to say the least. But even with the Defense faltering, the Giants pulled out both those games giving Hoss some confidence going into the playoffs.
Hoss (and the team) played very well vs Chicago, and the road that momentum until the end...
On the day we played Buffalo? I was supposed to go to the game with some HS buddies, but I ended up having to turn around because I couldn't even get out of Westchester County, there were accidents EVERYWHERE. They still went but I turned around and watched it at home.
And those like you who touted him as a first round talent failed the test- laughably.
You are right that Nassib has improved- he's improved from "dreadful" to "suck". That is an improvement.
It's still early yet, though. He might improve further to "bad".
Uh. When did I "tout" him as a first round talent?
The guy got limited time behind a dreadful OL last preseason and now he's played in a brand new offense in 2 preseason games this year. Glad you're so certain he sucks and can't possibly get any better.
Nassib should be treated like every other player...he sucks til he proves he doesn't suck. He hasn't proved he doesn't suck yet.
not surprised. Painter at least looks competent.He stinks Â
most teams and draft "experts" had at least a second round grade on Nassib, including the Giants, which is why "gasp" they gave up a sixth round pick to move up. If we're going strickly by performance Saturday night, Eli would be third string in practice this week. Nassib moved the team in both Pre-Season games this year and can make all the throws. Will he be ready this year if something happens to Eli? My guess is not. However, by next year I think he will be a very capable backup with upside. I don't think the Giants grabbed him in the fourth round thinking he was a starting caliber QB in years 1 or 2.
Nassib is NEVER going to be named the starting QB of a NFL team. In fact, if he gets cut by the Giants, it's not like there's going to be some feeding frenzy of teams rushing to sign him as a backup.
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I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
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I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
If they only kept 1 - it might be Painter
That said, assuming he reacts the way you'd expect him to - Nassib's the #2 QB at the end of pre-season.
This guy is NOT the future QB of the Giants. His throwing motion sucks, he projects his passes, he panics far too quickly...and in an offense where his natural athletic ability should give him a competitive edge...he looks below average.
Maybe the Bills need a back-up and Reese can clear away some of the rotten EGG on his face by salvaging a pick for him.
I don't believe the long term back up and potential heir apparent to Eli is on the roster.
Nassib may very well not be the heir apparent to Eli, but no reason why he cannot be a lt backup.
You know me well enough to know I'm not being revisionist..I thought we still could do it, albeit I didn't expect Hoss to rise AS MUCH as he did when it mattered
That said, I agree with those who don't see the high ceiling with him. I don't like the way he throws the ball at all, and he makes terrible decisions. At this point I think Painter is a better QB as far as touch and game mgmt, and after a year and change I feel Nassib should be showing things that would make me want him in the game over a QB like Painter.
I knew I would miss David Carr. For as much as people destroyed him around here you really couldn't ask for many better backup QBs to have on your roster as an insurance policy. At least we could have won some games with him if Eli had to miss time.
That said, I hope I'm wrong. I root for all Giants, so if Nassib turns it around and becomes the next very mobile, very successful, 70's porn mustache wearing backup QB, I'm certainly a VERY happy fan.
Exactly!
Neither one is head and shoulders above the other.....both fold under pressure......
If Eli goes down, we win with neither one......
I find it hard to believe the Giants would cut or attempt to put Nassib on the practice squad, where he might be snapped up by some desperate team.....they will not admit, in only his second year, that they wasted two draft picks on this guy.....it's not the Giant way....
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I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
The worst case is that they again carry three QBs, two of which there is pretty likely no chance of winning with (unless they go through another improbable stretch like last year, against QBs that don't even belong in the NFL).
The draft picks are sunk cost at this point that the team can't do anything about. Wasting roster spots are the gift that may keep on giving, because if they go with Painter as #2, they're not likely going to do the right thing, in that case, and cut Nassib.
I'm not concerned about our WRs, but they are playing like shit so far.
Granted, the sample size was small, but that Steelers game was the first time I've seen Nassib look down field, excluding times times he spotted a solid 1-on-1 opportunity (i.e. Corey Washington) and just chucked it.
This year he's basically a rookie QB in a brand new system and has had limited game experience. Does he have flaws? You betcha! Does EVERY QB have flaws? Same answer. Do QBs grow and, under the proper tutelage, shed some of those flaws? Yup.
Let's at least give him until the end of the preseason before we pronounce him as dog shit on toast/the next QB of the Giants. I kind of doubt that he'll be neither.
I think you fail to understand the magnitude of knowledgeable personnel assessments on here..Most here could easily run a rather recent two-time champion franchise..A little respect, sir
Anything other than that, this is dumb. Nassib has already shown me enough to be the backup this year. Carrying three QBs is lunacy.
Next two weeks are critical, but I think Nassib has to be the #2.....there's plenty of upside IMO.
CP is what he is, journeyman QB who isn't going to bring much to the table on gameday if he has to play.
Painter probably will get second team reps in the next game, but Nassib will get them in all-important 4th preseason game (3rd preseason game for every other team).
I don't read a thing into it.
His best moment was the late win against the Cardinals when Simms was hurt. But before that, it was Rutledge who was called upon. Parcells even bench Hoss down in New Orleans for Rutledge (and Hoss was furious).
After Simms got hurt against the Bills, the Giants offense did not look good against the Cards and Patriots (Hostetler was dreadful against the Patriots in the regular season finale).
Everyone - including every Giant fan I knew - had written the Giants off.
Simms was the problem? That's typical anti-Simms crap ... we'll hear that about Eli too when he is done.
Point is...Giants fans knew as little or was as unimpressed by Hostetler as they are now about Nassib.
I'm not comparing the two other than the situation.
It was a surprise beyond surprises the run the Giants went on with Hoss in the driver's seat.
His best moment was the late win against the Cardinals when Simms was hurt. But before that, it was Rutledge who was called upon. Parcells even bench Hoss down in New Orleans for Rutledge (and Hoss was furious).
After Simms got hurt against the Bills, the Giants offense did not look good against the Cards and Patriots (Hostetler was dreadful against the Patriots in the regular season finale).
Everyone - including every Giant fan I knew - had written the Giants off.
Simms was the problem? That's typical anti-Simms crap ... we'll hear that about Eli too when he is done.
Point is...Giants fans knew as little or was as unimpressed by Hostetler as they are now about Nassib.
I'm not comparing the two other than the situation.
Yeah but we knew Hoss well. As far as Parcells benching Hoss for Rutledge even Parcells realizes now i'm sure, that it was a mistake.
As far as Hoss looking dreadful, we have plenty of evidence of Simms looking horrible also.
I rarely write the Giants off, especialy back then.
Simms wasn't done he just wasn't who we needed at that time. We had the luxury of a capable and different skill set QB in Hofstetler.
We knew a damn lot about both Hoss and Simms to feel just fine when the time had come.
(no offense intended, Conner. It's what you've got to do to get the ratings. And truthfully, you never said it was Painter's to keep)
[Shivers] LOL
Actually if I remember right he rarely ever saw the field and was very vocally pissed about that fact... lol
I for one can admit that I never thought we had a chance in hell to do anything after Simms went down in Buffalo... Though I became a (optimistically hopeful) believer after we beat Da Bears.
Ha, I'd forgotten about that.
No one was in good spirits after losing to the Bills at home and finding out Simms was done. Not sure I agree that everybody was just giving up though since the division was still ours and a home playoff game to boot.
The last two regular season games watching Hoss run around the field like a crazy man was interesting to say the least. But even with the Defense faltering, the Giants pulled out both those games giving Hoss some confidence going into the playoffs.
Hoss (and the team) played very well vs Chicago, and the road that momentum until the end...
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And those like you who touted him as a first round talent failed the test- laughably.
You are right that Nassib has improved- he's improved from "dreadful" to "suck". That is an improvement.
It's still early yet, though. He might improve further to "bad".
Uh. When did I "tout" him as a first round talent?
The guy got limited time behind a dreadful OL last preseason and now he's played in a brand new offense in 2 preseason games this year. Glad you're so certain he sucks and can't possibly get any better.
"Son, your potential will soon get us both fired".
Nassib is NEVER going to be named the starting QB of a NFL team. In fact, if he gets cut by the Giants, it's not like there's going to be some feeding frenzy of teams rushing to sign him as a backup.