I don't agree. When it's all over Nassib will be retained and Painter will be gone. This move is temporary. Painter is already as good as he's going to be. Nassib has major upside. Coaches made the move to reward Painter for a good outing against 3rd and 4th stringers and light a fire under Nassib. We all saw Painter last year when Eli went down. If Eli goes down again(God forbid) the season is over either way. Makes sense keeping the young guy with the upside.
be hammered for this but if Nassib can't beat out Curtis Painter he sucks. Painter is one of the worst QB's I've ever seen in my years watching the NFL. Top 5 easily.
I thought Painter looked really good against Pitt...
be hammered for this but if Nassib can't beat out Curtis Painter he sucks. Painter is one of the worst QB's I've ever seen in my years watching the NFL. Top 5 easily.
be hammered for this but if Nassib can't beat out Curtis Painter he sucks. Painter is one of the worst QB's I've ever seen in my years watching the NFL. Top 5 easily.
I agree 100% with this. In fact, the only reason Painter got multiple starts with the Colts was because they were purposely trying to lose or at worst putting themselves in a position where they could possibly lose to get Luck.
When your dumb fans are clamoring for Dan Orlavsky to start over the current guy you know you're not dealing in quality.
Orlavsky comes in and pretty quickly wins 2 games almost blowing their chance for Luck.
He is awful, if Eli goes down for even 1 game and Painter is your backup there is almost no chance your team has to win. He make David Carr look like Joe Montana.
If Nassib can't play, cut them both and sign David Garrard or Rex Grossman (before he was signed) or Kevin Kolb (all of whom are awful) or that kind of veteran backup who at least can maybe squeeze out a game.
Is there really someone out there who seriously believes either one
Nassib's inevitable rise to Eli's successor interrupted by . . . Curtis Painter??
Hardly surprising. Painter has thrown the ball very well and Nassib has been Nassib. I mean people here were praising him for passing for 89 yards on 21 attempts. Please. Meanwhile, Painter hits 7 for 7. We can't do that playing catch in practice.
Nassib has turned into an IQ test around here. If you haven't noticed any improvement, you aren't paying attention or don't know what you're looking for.
While Painter looked good at end of the Steeler game
Nassib will ultimately be #2. It was a bad turnover by him that caused the Steeler touchdown and TC was pissed so this is the result. Coughlin always does stuff like this if you don't take care of the ball.
They are just trying to kick Nassib in the ass a bit to get him going.
And those like you who touted him as a first round talent failed the test- laughably.
You are right that Nassib has improved- he's improved from "dreadful" to "suck". That is an improvement.
It's still early yet, though. He might improve further to "bad".
Uh. When did I "tout" him as a first round talent?
The guy got limited time behind a dreadful OL last preseason and now he's played in a brand new offense in 2 preseason games this year. Glad you're so certain he sucks and can't possibly get any better.
the Ol has been terrible especially when ELI has been in the game. This is far from fixed and we will suck in offense until it is. Any other judgements are useless while this continues and our season will be in the toilet if it continues.
thing about QB is I actually may not have minded 3 (not that anyone gives a F what I mind) QB's after the Giants signed Josh Freeman.
I felt like Freeman, though awful recently, was a guy who could not just come in and game manage for one game, but if the Giants were a legit contender, could contribute.
So to me it made complete sense if the Giants felt like they were contenders, were worried about Eli's health, particularly behind this OL and still felt like Nassib had potential and wouldn't make it through to the PS.
With Nassib (if he really isn't ready) and Painter you're rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. 3 roster spots for QB just stings that much more - especially if it's at the cost of a Soup Harris or Charles James.
Nassib has turned into an IQ test around here. If you haven't noticed any improvement, you aren't paying attention or don't know what you're looking for.
Actually, he is horrible. The Giants should seriously think about moving on from Nassib and Painter. But for some reason the Giants are married to Nassib, and I would be surprised if he is not the eventual backup to Eli.
Eric, are you serious in saying that Hostetler and Nassib/Painter are on the same level? If this team's QBs today were Hostetler, Nassib and Painter...both Nassib and Painter still would never sniff the field as long as Hostetler was healthy.
Let me also add this...
The Giants teams from the Simms era were MUCH deeper and were more complete than this Giants team. Amazing running game that did not put everything on a QBs shoulders plus a defense that shut down the opposition so that it did not need an offense to score as many points.
Dont be so quick with your knee jerk responses.
Do people have any recollection as to what Eli Manning looked like..
And JR will stay because he, to paraphrase some old statements read here on BBI, has compromising photos of some high-ups in The Giants Management. [(-:)]
Dump JR and draft another QB next year. Meantime pray hard for Eli's health.
You have to use the logic of who would you want to
OK I'll play. Jeff Hostetler did pretty well when Simms went down. As Bill Parcells and Lawrence Taylor mentioned in that interview with Brandon Steiner, that they were better off maybe without Simms, in that Super Bowl run.
If you are comparing these two QB's with Hostetler...I don't see it.
I don't give a shit about Painter throwing a few passes around an eighth string defense. Nassib has thrown the ball better than any backup we have had in years here. Extremely stupid and shortsighted move. Would good does Curtis Painter do us? He stinks, and than we have to keep three QB's. Very unGiant like move. I wonder if there is something more to this we don't know.
I don't want either playing any amount of significant time at all during the season. But, just in case, I would rather take my chances with the guy who we know less about, but who has an upside. In Painter we already know what we have...an absolutely terrible QB. I don't trust him to manage a single down, let alone a game or two. I want him off the roster.
I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
just a move to give Painter one last shot to earn a roster spot. They want to carry 2 QB's but if Painter looks really good this week maybe they'll carry 3.
I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
what you is absolutely true. However we traded up in the 4th round to take him which begs a question about our scouting and talent evaluation. He's going to need to get dramatically better in the next few weeks.
I have no clue why Curtis Painter is even in the NFL at this point.
Clearly Painter might really struggle against a starting defense. Right now it looks like Nassib struggles against ANY defense. Not good for him.
This
I agree 100% with this. In fact, the only reason Painter got multiple starts with the Colts was because they were purposely trying to lose or at worst putting themselves in a position where they could possibly lose to get Luck.
When your dumb fans are clamoring for Dan Orlavsky to start over the current guy you know you're not dealing in quality.
Orlavsky comes in and pretty quickly wins 2 games almost blowing their chance for Luck.
He is awful, if Eli goes down for even 1 game and Painter is your backup there is almost no chance your team has to win. He make David Carr look like Joe Montana.
If Nassib can't play, cut them both and sign David Garrard or Rex Grossman (before he was signed) or Kevin Kolb (all of whom are awful) or that kind of veteran backup who at least can maybe squeeze out a game.
Ultimately I think the season is toast if either one of these guys has to take over for an extended period of time.
Eli isnt much better than Painter or Nassib? Really?
I hate Giants fans.
Hardly surprising. Painter has thrown the ball very well and Nassib has been Nassib. I mean people here were praising him for passing for 89 yards on 21 attempts. Please. Meanwhile, Painter hits 7 for 7. We can't do that playing catch in practice.
They are just trying to kick Nassib in the ass a bit to get him going.
You are right that Nassib has improved- he's improved from "dreadful" to "suck". That is an improvement.
It's still early yet, though. He might improve further to "bad".
What you are arguing over is whether you would like to be up to your neck in shit, or puke.
You are right that Nassib has improved- he's improved from "dreadful" to "suck". That is an improvement.
It's still early yet, though. He might improve further to "bad".
Uh. When did I "tout" him as a first round talent?
The guy got limited time behind a dreadful OL last preseason and now he's played in a brand new offense in 2 preseason games this year. Glad you're so certain he sucks and can't possibly get any better.
I felt like Freeman, though awful recently, was a guy who could not just come in and game manage for one game, but if the Giants were a legit contender, could contribute.
So to me it made complete sense if the Giants felt like they were contenders, were worried about Eli's health, particularly behind this OL and still felt like Nassib had potential and wouldn't make it through to the PS.
With Nassib (if he really isn't ready) and Painter you're rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. 3 roster spots for QB just stings that much more - especially if it's at the cost of a Soup Harris or Charles James.
Or you're the coach of the New York Giants.
As much as some like to wish otherwise, it's not 1991 anymore and the league isn't the same way, nor is the Giants' roster.
Eric, are you serious in saying that Hostetler and Nassib/Painter are on the same level? If this team's QBs today were Hostetler, Nassib and Painter...both Nassib and Painter still would never sniff the field as long as Hostetler was healthy.
Let me also add this...
The Giants teams from the Simms era were MUCH deeper and were more complete than this Giants team. Amazing running game that did not put everything on a QBs shoulders plus a defense that shut down the opposition so that it did not need an offense to score as many points.
Dont be so quick with your knee jerk responses.
It was not pretty.
I don't think people have realistic expectations.
Dump JR and draft another QB next year. Meantime pray hard for Eli's health.
OK I'll play. Jeff Hostetler did pretty well when Simms went down. As Bill Parcells and Lawrence Taylor mentioned in that interview with Brandon Steiner, that they were better off maybe without Simms, in that Super Bowl run.
If you are comparing these two QB's with Hostetler...I don't see it.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
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I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.
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I'm saying is don't say something is not possible.
When Simms went down, EVERY Giant fan knew our season was over.
To say otherwise is simply revisionist history.
I'm not sure how Taylor and Parcells felt at that time, but I was excited to see Hostetler come in and do things MOST Giant fans wanted to see happen that we knew Simms had problems with. And WE were right.
...MOST... Giants fans?! Speak for yourself. I was glad we had Hoss as #2, but sure as hell didn't want him there in place of Simms.
As for Eric's comment, I don't think you guys are taking it in the same spirit, although I think it's misplaced. These aren't the Plan B days anymore, a backup QB of Hoss' caliber would be long gone the second he reached FA, and we couldn't afford him otherwise. That's why I wasn't too broken up about the Nassib selection, the Giants were aiming for better-than-average backup QB for the duration of the rookie contract. Looks like they've failed, but it wasn't a bad shot. If he was average, he'd be a cheap, serviceable backup QB. If he was better, he'd be a potential trading chip. Worst case, we were out the picks needed to draft him.