With the emergence of Corey Washington, Marcus Harris and Preston Parker, how many WR's will the team carry and which WR's will they choose?
I think at this point, we can all agree that Cruz, Randle and Beckham are locks.
That leaves 2 or 3 roster spots for Corey Washington, Marcus Harris, Preston Parker, Mario Manningham, Trindon Holliday, Travis Harvey, Julian Talley and Jerrel Jernigan.
I think at this point, Holliday and Manningham are in serious danger of being cut. Holliday hasn't seen the field in weeks and when he was on the field, he didn't exactly impress. Unfortunately, Manningham just isn't healthy. He doesn't look like he has what it takes.
I think Harvey and Talley have some potential, but just not enough to make this team. They could be practice squad candidates if they are eligible.
So that leaves Washington, Harris, Jernigan and Parker for 3 roster spots.
I think Washington and Harris have done enough to this point to earn roster spots. So with that in mind, it will come down to Jernigan and Parker for 1 spot.
On the surface, it looks like a no brainer; Jernigan. But if you look a tad deeper, Parker has done some nice things. Most importantly, he is the primary punt returner and he has done a nice job there. Anyone else including Charles James and Jernigan have not gotten the job done. The injury to Jernigan also complicates things.
So even though Washington and Harris are still questions, but I think the WR's as of today would be Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Washington and Harris.
I really wonder if the team could keep Preston Parker in favor of Jerrel Jernigan.
Cruz.
Randle.
OBJ.
JJ.
Harris.
Washington.
Maybe someone on the PS. MM and Holiday are gone. MM is too injured, and Holiday has shown nothing. If you want to argue that this is the last year for JJ, and that he is probably another Reese bust, I won't necessarily disagree. He did come on a little at the end of last year, but never should anything beforehand. But I don't see him being cut this year.
The bigger problem is not who are the #5 and #6 WRs, but who is the #1 TE. Who knows?
Cruz.
Randle.
OBJ.
JJ.
Harris.
Washington.
This appears to be the keeper group as of today. Lets hope the last 3 guys really show it on the field the last few preseason games and make it a no brainer.
Now i know everyone can see the logic here, let me just say this real nicely, it is very rare when you get 1 walk sreet free agent to make the team, yet we are proposing that we should have 3, and all from 1 position, WR.
I think that Jernigan, despite some expert opinions, is going to make this team, I know i am going out on a limb saying this, but call it a gut feeling. Washington and harris do have a shot at unseating Holliday and Manningham, and the reason is not as much as thier performance, although they have done well, but because of injuries to these 2 players, if they were healthy, these two gems would probably be on the practice squad.
Randle
OBJ
JJ
Harris
Washington
Come September your #1 punt returner is Beckham.
If you asked John Mara right now, don't you think he would say Corey Washington has had a great pre-season to this point? Don't you think he would say that Marcus Harris has had a great training camp?
Mara is the owner, not the personnel man. This isn't Dallas with the owner pretending to be the G.M. I think Mara was simply expressing frustration at the situation; that a WR on the roster for 3 years never even got an opportunity under Gilbride.
And practice is a pretty big part of the evaluation process, especially in training camp and the pre-season. And Parker isn't just a guy, he is the starting punt returner, something Jernigan was brought here to do and has failed miserably with. It seems like they are giving Parker every opportunity to win that punt return job even though Beckham is lurking.
We are also entering a different era of the NFL. Scouts find these guys from all over and now more than ever, rookies, street free agents and even undrafted rookies contribute. With only 7 rounds in the draft as opposed to 12, undrafted rookies are all over the league playing a big role.
Part of this soliloquy is playing devil's advocate in a way, but it is hard to dismiss Parker when he has better career stats than Jernigan and also is currently a special teams starter; something Jernigan failed with.
Holliday and the rest IMO.
Randle? Has not looked the part...
Odell hasn't seen the field....
The Giant passing game with the #1 team, has more or less been non existent with the wr's, thus far...
Without a #1, teams collapse on Cruz.....and we have no TE's...but I can't see Randle or Odell playing as bad a Nicks last year, so if one of them steps up this year, and we find a serviceable TE, we create options for Eli...
So Odell is playing catch up, right now......hope that hammy allows him to get in a game...
Mario Mannigham is a proven commodity that is coming back from injury...and you have to give him more time...unless the coaches feel the knee is a degerating condition and he can't get back to where he was before the injury...so I would go:
Cruz
OBJ
Randall
Jernigan
Washington
Harris
Mannigham***
***based on coaches assessment of potential for recovery/ improvement
They are both buried on the depth chart at two positions that we aren't even strong at.
Marcus Harris has done everything asked of him, including working as a gunner on special teams. He runs good routes, gets open, and catches the ball. If he hasn't shown "big play ability," well, I've got two words for you: Steve Smith.
On the other hand, Corey Washington has shown big play ability, and he deserves to make the team, too.
Thank you Klaatu!! Jernigan sucks. The only thing that is a lock about him is that he can't play. Emergence my ass. He put up garbage time #s against 2 teams that mailed it in. And he's having a shitty camp to prove our point.
The next couple of weeks of practice and last three exhibition games will make the difference.
Keeping a guy who hasn't performed long-term just because he was a high draft choice is downright effing stupid, but that is exactly what this team does sometimes, with Sinorice Moss as a prime example. I am really afraid that they are going to make the same mistake with Adrian Robinson.
JJ's last three games last season (after two and three quarters seasons of accomplishing essentially nothing) aren't much to go on. More over, he hasn't backed that performance up this summer. However, Parker isn't without warts either - he had serious ball security problems in 2011 which led to his exit from TB. The off-field issues from college appear to be behind him now.
Still, I think Parker does offer more as a special teamer than JJ and is probably a better receiver, too. However, JJ can be a threat as a rusher on reverses, and as a Wildcat operator, but how often do the GIANTS run the 'cat. I'd say Parker is in the lead by a hair right now but it's not over until the end of the month. Let the best man win that last WR job.
not eligible to pup them since they passed physicals at start of camp and practiced.
Cruz
Randle
Beckham
Jernigan
Washington
Harris
if they were to carry 7 wrs holliday or parker more likely than mario
As far as Washington, give him some reps with the 1's in the Colts game. Would like to see how he does
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Can we put Manningham and Holliday on the PUP List to start the season? Don't we lose them for an amount of games if we do that?
not eligible to pup them since they passed physicals at start of camp and practiced.
There's short-term IR too, right? 8 weeks?
We all know how much Coach TC loves when 1.) players fumble and 2.) when they don't get on the field in preseason. I think that's 2 strikes and out for Holliday.
Unless he breaks one or two this preseason...
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His so-called "emergence" is laughable, and after three years in the league he still can't field a punt. Sure, he could make the final 53...this regime kept Sinorice Moss around for four years...another screen door on a submarine.
Marcus Harris has done everything asked of him, including working as a gunner on special teams. He runs good routes, gets open, and catches the ball. If he hasn't shown "big play ability," well, I've got two words for you: Steve Smith.
On the other hand, Corey Washington has shown big play ability, and he deserves to make the team, too.
Thank you Klaatu!! Jernigan sucks. The only thing that is a lock about him is that he can't play. Emergence my ass. He put up garbage time #s against 2 teams that mailed it in. And he's having a shitty camp to prove our point.
So the Lions(6-80) fighting for a playoff spot mailed it in? What about the Seahawks(7-67) did they mail it in as well? Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
I think Jernigan has at least earned another season to show us what he has - he played well when he was given the chance and we have a new OC that may be able to get more out of him. Just so long as they stop putting him back there to return punts...
I think his last two games were most impressive, a lot of his catches against the seahawks were this little 4 yard dink and dunk routes where he'd flash into an open area in a zone, right between a couple linebackers. He did play well, but the Giants were just kinda dinking and dunking it with him in that game and taking checkdown routes, he wasn't really going out and winning vs their corners, or anything like that. The last two games were more impressive than anything he did vs the Seahawks.
I think his last two games were most impressive, a lot of his catches against the seahawks were this little 4 yard dink and dunk routes where he'd flash into an open area in a zone, right between a couple linebackers. He did play well, but the Giants were just kinda dinking and dunking it with him in that game and taking checkdown routes, he wasn't really going out and winning vs their corners, or anything like that. The last two games were more impressive than anything he did vs the Seahawks.
At last! In a discussion with a lot of thoughtful comments ( plus the usual smattering of this-guy-sucks-because-I-hate-him [ and not the reverse] ) ... a mention of specific roles. If they decide performance/potential/versatility is equal between 2 or 3 players, I think they will keep the least expensive guy ( not the fastest or the tallest ). I think that's the reason NYG draft picks tend to stick around -- more so than embarrassment if they're cut. OTOH with this many players in the mix, I don't think examining roles will necessary make the picture a whole lot clearer.
MM deserves a full preseason of evaluation so far as his legs are concerned before being written off as so many of you chumps have done already.
If I'm keeping 6, I probably keep Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Jernigan, Washington and Harris.
If Jernigan doesn't show much of anything the next 3 games, I replace him with Parker or Holliday.
Washington, Harris and Harvey have all been more productive than Jernigan who is consistently inconsistent and cannot stay healthy.
What's all the Parker blather. Travis Harvey has been more productive and has a much higher upside ( did you see the insanely talented move he put on Prince in one on one practice.)
Remember what Rex Ryan said about him ….
[url]http://deadspin.com/5881293/victor-cruz-is-only-a-giant-because-rex-ryan-couldnt-keep-his-mouth-shut
"I hope they cut him," Ryan said after Cruz torched his backup defensive backs. "I know one team that would be ready to sign him, and that'd be us."[/url]
Marcus Harris has done everything asked of him, including working as a gunner on special teams. He runs good routes, gets open, and catches the ball. If he hasn't shown "big play ability," well, I've got two words for you: Steve Smith.
Thank you Klaatu
COMPLETELY AGREE - the voice of reason
I think Giants should take a close look at Harvey as well - has been very productive in camp and preseason games and has far greater upside than Parker - Harvey has excellent one on one moves and great hands -
On the other hand, Corey Washington has shown big play ability, and he deserves to make the team, too.
Assuming no injuries, it is likely that Cruz will continue to play as well as he has in the past.
It is possible, but unrealistic to think that Reuben Randle will improve to where he will be as good as Nicks was in his prime. By mid-season, he could become an excellent and productive No. 2 WR.
It is possible, but unrealistic to think that Beckham will become a superstar as a rookie. It is more realistic to think that he will make substantial contributions in the second half of the season.
Parker, Washington, Talley and Harris will all be tested in the next three games. We should know more about them after that.
Looking great in practice is important, but catching the ball when you hear footsteps and you know that a Safety wants to knock the snot out of you is a different story. We have three more games to evaluate the new guys.
Jernigan is 5-8. He is not starting material. He was drafted with the intention of being a K returner. He is not good at that. If he makes the team, anyone below him on the depth chart is positively crap.
Holliday is a WR like Zak DeOssie is a LB. They each have only one function, and it is an important one. However, Zak is great at long snapping and we don't want to see him get nicked up. The same would go for Holliday, but he has to make a TD return or two in preseason, or he is history.
As long as I am in the negative mode, I'll also mention that none of our TEs has shown that he is worth a pitcher of warm spit.
Can we get rid of you instead?
I think Jernigan has at least earned another season to show us what he has - he played well when he was given the chance and we have a new OC that may be able to get more out of him. Just so long as they stop putting him back there to return punts...
Jernigan has shown nothing in practice or in preseason games - plus cannot stay out of trainers room - waste of a roster spot for more promising young WRs
The position isn't where the depth of talent is.
Let's not be in love with training camp wonders until we see it against top competiton in games.
The combination of the WR & TE core has to be the worst in the league. This team better be a run first team....
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think Jernigan ever deserved a roster spot with the Giants. But my mind definitely changed after he started getting more opportunites with the offense at the end of last season and flashed a bit.
I think Jernigan has at least earned another season to show us what he has - he played well when he was given the chance and we have a new OC that may be able to get more out of him. Just so long as they stop putting him back there to return punts...
Jernigan has shown nothing in practice or in preseason games - plus cannot stay out of trainers room - waste of a roster spot for more promising young WRs
We've played 2 preseason games so far and Eli threw the ball about 2 times total in the last one. We're also installing a brand new offense.
I think Jernigan has a lot to prove still but I also think you're putting a little too much stock in a very small amount of time.
All these other assclowns, not so much.
The way I see this offense coming to life, if it's going to maximize the strength of the talent is to be a a base RB, FB, 2 WR, 1 TE offense. Run the ball, throw to the RB/FB and make this the base.
And then the other thing I'd like to see them do is go 4 Wide putting both Cruz and Jernigan inside.
This 3 TE crap with these TE is crap. Thinking that Harris, Parker, Washington are more then guys, and actually being worried about them is crazy at this point. If Harris and Washington consistently beat #1's the rest of pre-season I will change my mind. I'm not saying they shouldn't make the team, just they aren't #1 or #2 WR guys.
If you can project Harris and Washington as equal to JJ within a year. You keep them because you can control them cheaply.
JJ is gone after this year under almost any scenario.