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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2014 10:42 pm
Nice to win...but....
Oh ye of  
Peter from CT : 8/16/2014 10:43 pm : link
so little faith.

I hope that put Nassib back in the 2 position.
Nassib may not be a wasted pick after all...  
GloryDayz : 8/16/2014 10:43 pm : link
Robinson & Washington with good finishes

Thats about it
Prince's groin injury could be a killer.  
Riggies : 8/16/2014 10:43 pm : link
They don't have the DL to make up for any weakness in the secondary with pressure.

Hopefully it's not something that lingers and a week or so of rest is enough for him to get back at it.
We arent good  
dep026 : 8/16/2014 10:43 pm : link
I wrote three goals for this team today.

1) Long sustained drives - None.
2) Cruz/Randle involvement - Cruz constantly covered. Only ball he caught, he either fumbled/dropped. Randle - nothing.
3) DL pass rush - unless we blitzed, nothing.

Earlier in the offseason, I wrote that in order for this team to succeed the biggest 3 guys who had to step up were Eli, Cruz, and JPP.

Eli had two awful throws. One INT that was negated by a penalty and an overthrow that was almost intercepted.
Cruz cannot get open, and the one time he did, he dropped it.
JPP words are louder than his actions.

Our OL is still a disaster. Pugh was absolutely wretched in the first half. We got 0 push. Eli was again constantly pressured. The quick passing attack has yet to be seen or applied. Randle is a non factor. Jerrigan has been mediocre. Eli's throws are not crisp or in rhythm with anything.

I know its preseason, and I know we havent showed anything, but its pretty clear we may look like a bottom 3 defense at least to start the season.
Hey  
Andy in Boston : 8/16/2014 10:44 pm : link
Our 1's looked terrible....but it's about wins and losses right? 3-0 in the preseason lol
Nassib  
DavidinBMNY : 8/16/2014 10:44 pm : link
Best performance he has had. I think he is back to 2. Nicks looked good.
Greatest comeback in the history of sports  
Anakim : 8/16/2014 10:44 pm : link
.
washington has to make the team  
chris r : 8/16/2014 10:44 pm : link
.
Eli to Nassib  
Mason : 8/16/2014 10:45 pm : link
I used to do that back in my day.

:)
Comedy  
SGMen : 8/16/2014 10:45 pm : link
Injury updates?
The injuries are the real bad part of this game  
steve in ky : 8/16/2014 10:45 pm : link
Lets hope most are minor
You don't cut a guy with 3 late game winning TDs  
jeff57 : 8/16/2014 10:45 pm : link
You just don't.
haha Largest 4th quarter comeback in NFL history...that won't count.  
guitarguybs07 : 8/16/2014 10:45 pm : link
still awesome.
Nice win  
John Outofstate : 8/16/2014 10:46 pm : link
We'll take it! We shouldn't celebrate too much. Lots of mistakes were made on offense and defense tonight.
Robinson actually did something  
DavidinBMNY : 8/16/2014 10:46 pm : link
That was a surprise. The touchdown by 87 was nice.
JPP did nothing right?  
DavidinBMNY : 8/16/2014 10:47 pm : link
Or was it me
Prince  
Jay in Toronto : 8/16/2014 10:47 pm : link
was hanging out on the sidelines at the end. Hopefully that is a good sign.
I don't think I head JPP's name all night  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/16/2014 10:48 pm : link
is he okay?
Harris and Washington appear to be solid....  
PonderingObserver : 8/16/2014 10:48 pm : link
At least against the 2s and 3s...but I think maybe even against the 1s
RE: Greatest comeback in the history of sports  
Great White Ghost : 8/16/2014 10:48 pm : link
In comment 11810587 Anakim said:
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I'd be very interested to see the last time someone hung 27 points on an opponent in the 4th quarter to win a game.If I recall the largest comeback margin in history was 28 points.
dep  
SBlue46 : 8/16/2014 10:48 pm : link
You are right ....about the starters..
2nd and 3rd stringers won every game...
I think that means 1st string has a problem....
could be just eli....
RE: JPP did nothing right?  
Mason : 8/16/2014 10:49 pm : link
In comment 11810600 DavidinBMNY said:
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Or was it me


I guess Strahan never got that opportunity to teach him something other than a bull rush. He's probably too busy with life now.
Not only does  
Arcanum : 8/16/2014 10:50 pm : link
Washington make the cut. But if he stays healthy, he just might be starting.
Our  
AcidTest : 8/16/2014 10:50 pm : link
third stringers beat their third stringers, almost as badly as their first stringers beat our first stringers.

The question is whether our third stringers should really be third stringers.

Nassib was excellent. It was against scrubs, and it does still look like he stares down receivers, but he threw some accurate lasers, especially the two to Robinson, and the pass to Harvey on the goal line. He is also mobile. Cox, Washington, and Harris also played well.

Can't say much for the first string, and Quarles was a penalty machine. Also, lots of injuries. Hope none are serious.
best nyg  
SBlue46 : 8/16/2014 10:51 pm : link
Preseason game I remember.starts in 10 minutes
on nfl net
RE: We arent good  
bigbluescot : 8/16/2014 10:51 pm : link
In comment 11810583 dep026 said:
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I wrote three goals for this team today.

1) Long sustained drives - None.
2) Cruz/Randle involvement - Cruz constantly covered. Only ball he caught, he either fumbled/dropped. Randle - nothing.
3) DL pass rush - unless we blitzed, nothing.

Earlier in the offseason, I wrote that in order for this team to succeed the biggest 3 guys who had to step up were Eli, Cruz, and JPP.

Eli had two awful throws. One INT that was negated by a penalty and an overthrow that was almost intercepted.
Cruz cannot get open, and the one time he did, he dropped it.
JPP words are louder than his actions.

Our OL is still a disaster. Pugh was absolutely wretched in the first half. We got 0 push. Eli was again constantly pressured. The quick passing attack has yet to be seen or applied. Randle is a non factor. Jerrigan has been mediocre. Eli's throws are not crisp or in rhythm with anything.

I know its preseason, and I know we havent showed anything, but its pretty clear we may look like a bottom 3 defense at least to start the season.


I thought we got some pressure (not much) without blitzing, Luck just either shook it off or moved away from it.

My main concern about the defense is how poor the supposedly "dominant" cb unit looked when Prince left. Thurmond didn't perform well at all.

The 1st and 2nd string offense was just a shit show.
Bromley vs Quarles  
Mason : 8/16/2014 10:51 pm : link
hahahaha
That comeback doesn't happen without 3 consecutive catches  
Great White Ghost : 8/16/2014 10:51 pm : link
By harris to kickstart eveything.
I think the coaches need to consider keeping both Harris and washington.If they are convinced this is a "win now" team then maybe not. I think these 2 show great promise and we should hang onto them.This doesn't look like a superbowl team, and in fact the 2 best WRs right now are Harris and washington.
Best 4th stringers  
BigBlueinChicago : 8/16/2014 10:52 pm : link
in the NFL!!
if I was coaching  
SBlue46 : 8/16/2014 10:53 pm : link
I'd try nassib w 1st team...sit eli...
or play him 4th qtr...to see if its eli...
better to know now...
Sit Randle in first half  
deadkurtrulz : 8/16/2014 10:53 pm : link
next week and give Washington his reps. Could help Washington adjust to speed of game and could help Randle adjust his attitude.

Hand Painter a clip board and tell him we will call him during the season if we need to. Nobody will pick him up.
I think Davis is going to be a surprise  
ZoneXDOA : 8/16/2014 10:53 pm : link
he is a huge man and will be extremely difficult to cover in the end zone. Tonight he showed the ability to go up and get the ball with a defender all over him.

Corey Washington needs to be on this team. I really want to see what Eli can do with him.

O-Line needs to play better. O-Line is the one thing I think there is absolutely no excuse for during preseason. If they are shitty now they will most likely be shitty during regular season. Silver lining is that this shitty O-Line is definitely better than last year's shittier O-Line.
Eli looked like  
bceagle05 : 8/16/2014 10:54 pm : link
needed a hug from Kevin Gilbride. Please get your act together, #10. You're 33 years old, not 43. Should have a lot of good football left.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 8/16/2014 10:56 pm : link
In comment 11810609 SBlue46 said:
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You are right ....about the starters..
2nd and 3rd stringers won every game...
I think that means 1st string has a problem....
could be just eli....


Please do society a favor and go run in front of traffic.
I really hope Beckham and Washington  
bceagle05 : 8/16/2014 10:57 pm : link
are good enough to leapfrog Randle and Jernigan on the depth chart. They are pedestrian NFL players.
Terrible game  
George : 8/16/2014 10:58 pm : link
Our first team O looked just awful. I know it's all vanilla right now, but basic fundamentals are lacking: when you average 3 ypc in your running game and complete 11% of your passes, you've got trouble on your hands.

BUT, it looks like we have some depth on this team. If someone goes down, we have guys who can step in and contribute, and at many positions. OL, TE, and LB worry me, though.

Getting a sneaking suspicion that Eli Manning is not the right fit for this offense.
Who cares about  
Carl in CT : 8/16/2014 10:58 pm : link
A) The comeback (by players who will be on the street shortly)
B) who are 7th WR is going to be (because no one is getting separation)

Bottom line out O needs serious work. I'm not going to say the suck (but they sucked tonight). If this continues problems like in double diget losses. TC its time to crack heads.
RE: Not only does  
Jay in Toronto : 8/16/2014 11:02 pm : link
In comment 11810612 Arcanum said:
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Washington make the cut. But if he stays healthy, he just might be starting.


Randle better start producing
Nicks on the other hand, looks like he can still catch footballs  
Mason : 8/16/2014 11:04 pm : link
...
Our starting offense couldn't handle  
PeterS : 8/16/2014 11:05 pm : link
the Colts' blitzes. Eli had no time to throw.

Everyone should resign themselves to the fact that it could be a while before the offense starts hitting on all cylinders.

Finally, this defense is looking very good and will be even better when Beason returns.
Question: Can Davis block at all?  
CT Charlie : 8/16/2014 11:08 pm : link
Statements:

1) Robinson gets stood up and pushed back by scrubs.
2) Richberg is versatile.
3) Our O-line will be a little better than last year's unless we get injured.
4) We need Odell - or somebody - to help Cruz.
5) Our D will keep us in games.
6) The Colts are a pretty good team.
7) Luck and his backups are good at running the offense we're trying to run.
it is nice to see our 3rd and 4th stringers bailed out the team  
George from PA : 8/16/2014 11:13 pm : link
but it still is a major concern
1st team O  
Simms11 : 8/16/2014 11:14 pm : link
will probably play almost 3 quarters next week, and will be paying a decent Jets team. They need serious work. What's going on with Eli? Maybe he just is not suited for this O?! I guess we have to at least give him a few regular season games before we call Eli unsuited for this O., but out me down as one of the concerned.
I wish  
ZoneXDOA : 8/16/2014 11:14 pm : link
Preseason Football was private. seriously. People get bent out of shape over games that mean nothing and have ZERO game planning. There are things that need work and that is what preseason is meant to expose, it is meant to see what works and what doesn't. In a new offense, lots of things are going to fail and/or need extra work before the regular season starts, I assure you that the majority of what we see from the ones is simple technique and footwork stuff to get them using new things they are learning in practice at game speed. the twos and threes are playing for roster spots. the ones really have nothing to prove in preseason. Those that do get their time to shine, like the running backs last week. I am really loving the talent on this team and I think the squad will surprise a lot of people come september. I love the fact that we are more uptempo than we have ever been. that 2 minute drill at the end was a nice preview of what we can expect.

that said, the O-Line needs some serious work
RE: Our starting offense couldn't handle  
Mason : 8/16/2014 11:17 pm : link
In comment 11810665 PeterS said:
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the Colts' blitzes. Eli had no time to throw.

Everyone should resign themselves to the fact that it could be a while before the offense starts hitting on all cylinders.

Finally, this defense is looking very good and will be even better when Beason returns.


Giants got good pressure on Luck and broke that pocket. He was elusive and rolled out.<shrugs>
when the torch  
Fish : 8/16/2014 11:17 pm : link
Was passed from strahan to Osi to Tuck, the timing of each passing was great. From tuck to jpp, not as fortunate. But in JPP defense, he is the only stud DE.
Carl from CT if Washington, Harris and Nassib are cut...Mara should  
fredgbrown : 8/16/2014 11:20 pm : link
fire Coughlin on the spot. They led the comeback.
Well  
Spock : 8/16/2014 11:23 pm : link
Is there anyone here who doesn't think Eli might be worse this year than last year?
OMG  
Free Agent : 8/16/2014 11:25 pm : link
You people are CrAzY!!! These players are playing against 3rd stringers most of which will be home watching the games like you in Sept... Relax Eli never plays well in the preseason... We will be fine, love our running backs..
Eli got hit on 2 of his first 3 pass attempts and people here want to  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/16/2014 11:40 pm : link
say he had time to throw. Okay. It's no surprise that Eli's only nice play in 3 games involved 1 WR, 4 TEs and RBs, and what appeared to be just 2 men in the pattern. I don't care what offense they're playing... if there's no pass protection, the offense will be a mess. If there's no running game, the offense will be a mess.

The Giants defense needs to work on something called CONTAINMENT. The complete lack of it was the main reason for almost every decent Colts drive in the game. Thurmond & McBride made me wonder if Hosley was just switching uniforms.

Punt defense could use some extra work on CONTAINMENT too.

Never has a team needed 5 preseason games more than the Giants do.
let's all stop making excuses for Eli  
WillieYoung : 8/16/2014 11:51 pm : link
this has nothing to do with the offensive line or the receivers
Some specifics  
Reale01 : 8/16/2014 11:55 pm : link
Our first team line could not pick up stunts or blitzes.
They were not overpowered in pass protection BUT generated no push in the running game. Beatty played pretty good. Mathis did not play for the Colts.

First team pass rush was not good. To be fair, there were at least three plays where Giant pass rushers were held directly in front of Luck and the referee.

McBride did not look good.

Moore looked very good.

Wynn flashed a couple time.

Kuhn got destoyed on a couple plays.

Williams had a nice blitz pickup.

Cox looks much better than Gaskins.

Harris and Washington both looked great. They have to be kept. There is no way that either will make it to the practice squad.

Nassib showed why he was picked by Giants. He definately has potential. Keep in mind he didn't play much last year. He was under pressure and delivered. He overcame some obstacles on the lastdrive.

Hopefully this will jump start Robinson. Two nice catches but he also had a drop.

Parker is getting a lot of playing time.

Manninghams days appear to be numbered.

Manning looks BAD. He is inaccurate and seems to panic at times. Is he still shell shocked from last year? He does not seem to have confidence in the o-line.

Hoping Taylor and Prince are OK. Any updates? Any other injuries of note?

The time for saying its only pre-season has past. We don't need to win, but we need to play much better on offense. I think the defense will be fine.

Sorry so long a post. Hoping for the best this year. I could see us being very good - but I could also see us being very bad. Go mighty Giants!
.  
SoZKillA : 8/17/2014 1:25 am : link
It went out for my birthday tonight and missed the game.

How was the OLine ?

Was the playbook opened up?

Was it really that bad for the 1s?
I'm thinking that Reese deserves less and less credit for the  
Reese's Pieces : 8/17/2014 1:32 am : link
two Super Bowl wins. Would you say that he inherited the core of the club? Since he's had to start replacing the aging players, he doesn't seem to have done much right. I know that it's hindsight, but drafting Wilson, a high maintenance running back, instead of blockers for Manning and the running backs was his worst move. Since RBs have a short shelf life, you're supposed to get your linemen first.
RE: I'm thinking that Reese deserves less and less credit for the  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2014 1:51 am : link
In comment 11810783 Reese's Pieces said:
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two Super Bowl wins. Would you say that he inherited the core of the club? Since he's had to start replacing the aging players, he doesn't seem to have done much right. I know that it's hindsight, but drafting Wilson, a high maintenance running back, instead of blockers for Manning and the running backs was his worst move. Since RBs have a short shelf life, you're supposed to get your linemen first.


He ran the scouting department before he was GM. The core of the team he inherited was partly of his own making anyway.
So how do you think that he's been doing the last few years?  
Reese's Pieces : 8/17/2014 1:56 am : link
Victim of injuries and bad luck?
RE: So how do you think that he's been doing the last few years?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2014 2:02 am : link
In comment 11810791 Reese's Pieces said:
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Victim of injuries and bad luck?


Tough to call Kenny Phillips, Chad Jones, Nicks, and Wilson anything but bad luck with their injuries.

They haven't done a great job with transitioning the offensive line. That much is true. But all nfl teams have their front office faults. Ultimately, I think he's above-average with his decision making and he's been snakebitten by circumstance.
We should add snee to this list.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2014 2:02 am : link
He broke down far too soon.
If this is another losing season, you know what all the talk will  
Reese's Pieces : 8/17/2014 2:21 am : link
be about. On one side we have two Super Bowl wins and on the other side it's one playoff appearance in seven years. I think the coach and GM will be out on the street at the end of the year. Just my opinion. Depending also on what replacements are available.
RE: RE: I'm thinking that Reese deserves less and less credit for the  
Great White Ghost : 8/17/2014 2:32 am : link
In comment 11810786 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11810783 Reese's Pieces said:


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two Super Bowl wins. Would you say that he inherited the core of the club? Since he's had to start replacing the aging players, he doesn't seem to have done much right. I know that it's hindsight, but drafting Wilson, a high maintenance running back, instead of blockers for Manning and the running backs was his worst move. Since RBs have a short shelf life, you're supposed to get your linemen first.



He ran the scouting department before he was GM. The core of the team he inherited was partly of his own making anyway.
He did the scouting, the analysis. Not the actual selection.
One can write reviews for wines and be great at it, ahve the best palate in the business. You can even make recomendations as to what goes best with what kind of meal. It doesn't mean you can put together a good meal or can cook, let alone be a great chef.

Assesing is one thing. Actually being the guy to make the selections and putting it all together the best way possible is another thing altogether.I begin to wonder if he is the best man for the job.
Too slow, too immobile, too deliberate  
jLefty : 8/17/2014 6:57 am : link
QB's today have a lot of flash and dash. They run around, run for first downs, throw on the run. They are not so easy to sack.After the first game I said Nassib looked more natural out there than Eli. Maybe Gilbride had the secret. Line up in the shotgun, put Eli in the pocket and let him heave those intermediate and long balls. He doesn't seem to have any feel for the short stuff.Not quick enough.Right now he's not even too accurate when he has time.
Brady and Manning have zero "flash and dash".  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/17/2014 7:26 am : link
What Brady has is an o-line that is excellent at run blocking and solid in pass protection. Even if you want to credit Manning with Denver allowing the fewest sacks in the sport, he can't move and his line also is solid when it comes to running the ball. Pats/DEN and the Giants are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to negative runs.

How could anyone think the Giants' o-line was decent yesterday when the top 2 RBs averaged under 2.5 yards a carry and Eli was hit on 2 of his first 3 pass plays?

I do agree that in the future, the ability to run is going to be an important part of the position. However, plenty of guys who can't move are successful right now because of quality offensive lines.
After sleeping on it  
SGMen : 8/17/2014 7:50 am : link
I think Eli and the first team will score and move the ball well on the Jets this week for 3 quarters and all will be well at BBI.
Next week will still be vanilla defenses and our offense will learn from the mistakes we made.
RE: I wish  
Arcanum : 8/17/2014 8:05 am : link
In comment 11810683 ZoneXDOA said:
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Preseason Football was private. seriously. People get bent out of shape over games that mean nothing and have ZERO game planning. There are things that need work and that is what preseason is meant to expose, it is meant to see what works and what doesn't. In a new offense, lots of things are going to fail and/or need extra work before the regular season starts, I assure you that the majority of what we see from the ones is simple technique and footwork stuff to get them using new things they are learning in practice at game speed. the twos and threes are playing for roster spots. the ones really have nothing to prove in preseason. Those that do get their time to shine, like the running backs last week. I am really loving the talent on this team and I think the squad will surprise a lot of people come september. I love the fact that we are more uptempo than we have ever been. that 2 minute drill at the end was a nice preview of what we can expect.

that said, the O-Line needs some serious work



Ditto
I know,  
Arcanum : 8/17/2014 8:08 am : link
watching these games, can be very frustrating. But when have the Giants, ever looked good in preseason ? We have a new offense, a new offensive line, a new TE, and a new RB, it's going to take time. Defensively, we have new corners, and linebackers. Not to mention, Beason is still out. So we just have to be patient. And be thankful, that it's just preseason.
RE: Terrible game  
TheMick7 : 8/17/2014 8:23 am : link
In comment 11810650 George said:
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Our first team O looked just awful. I know it's all vanilla right now, but basic fundamentals are lacking: when you average 3 ypc in your running game and complete 11% of your passes, you've got trouble on your hands.

BUT, it looks like we have some depth on this team. If someone goes down, we have guys who can step in and contribute, and at many positions. OL, TE, and LB worry me, though.

Getting a sneaking suspicion that Eli Manning is not the right fit for this offense.


Yes, Eli has not looked good so far. But as far as him not being the right fit for this offense, it's hard to know who fits where when the offense has been "under wraps"! I was afraid that TC would not unwrap the offense tonight because of the fact we face the Colts in November. That being said, it would be tough to unveil anything given the poor performance of the O line.

Obviously, both O & D are going to go well into the 3rd Quarter next week against the Jets & much of this new offense will be on display. After last night, it's easy to be pessimistic seeing that no aspect of the team (besides our bench players) played well. They all were consistently bad. But, they still have 3 weeks to right the ship & if we end the night on September 8th 1-0, this will all be forgotten quickly!
Preseason or not. It is a bit shocking how bad  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2014 8:32 am : link
our Offense is.

Third down with the 1st Team in there has become an automatic punt situation.

And anybody who says you won't see these plays again, new offense not unveiled, trying out players, etc...I am not not buying.

No way those players/coaches could be happy with that first half of play.
Team Is Rebuilding  
Jeffrey : 8/17/2014 8:34 am : link
I guess there is alot of denial going on here. This is a rebuilding team. The coaches and GM held on to some players too long and delayed the process. Now it is in full rebuild mode and the real issue is whether Eli can carry a rebuilding team in this offense. The answer is probably not as his strength has been as a poised game manager. He has never been accurate except on the longer throws downfield. He is not nimble or quick and cannot run. It is who he has always been and it is amazing that fans are reacting as if he has suddenly declined. People hated Gilbride but Eli fit that offense so much better than he does in one that puts a premium on short, accurate passes and some mobility.
Of course results don't matter in preseason, but  
SwirlingEddie : 8/17/2014 9:07 am : link
executing your assignment still does. Here's what I saw from just the first series by our Oline:

1st down (run) - Both Schwartz and Walton are beaten by their opponents, allowing the defenders to cross their face right into the hole

2nd down (run) - TE Donnell blocks no one at the point of attack, whiffing on the LB who makes the tackle

3rd down (pass) - Eli and the line in calling the protection rightly identify a blitzing LB, but miss completely on the Safety blitz. Schwartz is late and slow to recognize and fails to slide in time to pick it up.

And it doesn't get much better for the Ones from there.

Oh, and congratulations NFL, you finally created an unwatchable product.
Very hard to feel good today  
Spock : 8/17/2014 9:21 am : link
Except in a few back ups.

Offense stinks and the Prince is out.
RE: If this is another losing season, you know what all the talk will  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2014 9:49 am : link
In comment 11810798 Reese's Pieces said:
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be about. On one side we have two Super Bowl wins and on the other side it's one playoff appearance in seven years. I think the coach and GM will be out on the street at the end of the year. Just my opinion. Depending also on what replacements are available.


That would seem to be out of character reactionary by the team considering it's coming out of its most successful decade since the Parcells era. This franchise doesn't fire general managers lightly. Ernie Accorsi blew multiple picks and misjudged the offensive line too. Was there ever talk of him getting fired? It would be a hard sell, IMO.
That was brutal...  
rptl530 : 8/17/2014 10:08 am : link
I try not to react to strongly to preseason games but I gotta admit I'm feeling mighty pessimistic about the 2014 Giants.

Offense is a disaster and the defense not much better.
....  
yankees78 : 8/17/2014 10:09 am : link
The majority of the team looked like la caca. =(
It was tough to watch  
mnm99ny : 8/17/2014 10:19 am : link
Eli looks bad.... Hopefully we see some glimmer of light next week....
RE: Too slow, too immobile, too deliberate  
bigjohn135 : 8/17/2014 10:25 am : link
In comment 11810825 jLefty said:
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QB's today have a lot of flash and dash. They run around, run for first downs, throw on the run. They are not so easy to sack.After the first game I said Nassib looked more natural out there than Eli. Maybe Gilbride had the secret. Line up in the shotgun, put Eli in the pocket and let him heave those intermediate and long balls. He doesn't seem to have any feel for the short stuff.Not quick enough.Right now he's not even too accurate when he has time.


So true!!!!! That's why the O line is getting bull rushed. There is no fear that Eli will move to another passing lane!
It looks bad offensively.  
arcarsenal : 8/17/2014 10:38 am : link
But it was going to.

Unfortunately, it looks even worse than I think most would have anticipated.. but still. There are new players, it is a new system, they're experimenting with things, no one is comfortable yet.

This is going to continue for a bit. It's probably going to even continue into the regular season for a little while and the "FIRE BEN" threads will gradually start popping up everywhere.

I'm still not overly concerned, though. I just think this is going to take some patience. We will see better results eventually.
Arc,  
AnishPatel : 8/17/2014 10:43 am : link
Yeah I am not sure what people expected. This team is rebuilding. We need better talent, and now in this new system it's not going to take 2 pre season games to get on track. I expect it to carry into the season.
my thing is i've always  
area junc : 8/17/2014 11:11 am : link
wondered about eli, if he's regressed AT ALL from where he's been his entire career he simply will not be a good player. ie he's not the type of guy who can lose anything off his fastball

he is also a bad fit in this offense as some on this very website pointed out when mcadoo was hired. nassib is a very good fit in a WCO which adds intrigue. how patient will ben be, with eli?
Last years offense  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/17/2014 11:14 am : link
Relative to its leagues averages, was every bit as bad (in fact worse) than any of the mid 90s giant offenses led by brown, kannell and graham. That is not hyperbole. Thats a tangible fact. It would require significant improvement just to have an average offense. And its tough to forsee that right now. I know its early, but my expectations for this team are as low as theyve ever been since the turn of the century.
if we can't run the ball  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 11:22 am : link
We may not win 6 games this year. With the skill set of our receivers, our OL, and God knows what going on with Eli.... we need a 1990 type team at least to start.

Long possessions, good defense, and good specials. It's becoming apparent that we are not good pass blocking line, the wr have a hard time getting open, and when Eli does get time, he is a tad off.

I am in favor of a 60-40 run split.
RE: my thing is i've always  
Riggies : 8/17/2014 11:25 am : link
In comment 11811111 area junc said:
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wondered about eli, if he's regressed AT ALL from where he's been his entire career he simply will not be a good player. ie he's not the type of guy who can lose anything off his fastball

he is also a bad fit in this offense as some on this very website pointed out when mcadoo was hired. nassib is a very good fit in a WCO which adds intrigue. how patient will ben be, with eli?

Suggesting that McAdoo may bench Eli -- or even would have the authority to do it -- might be one of the more foolish things you've said, Thomas. Which is impressive, considering of you've accused players of being on drugs in game, made up blatant lies about contracts being offered to players, fights in the locker room, etc.

Manning may be shot or may be fine, who knows which, but he's going to play out this year, at least, regardless. And then ownership, probably with Reese influence, will make the final call to move on or keep him after that.
I'm with MoM & Dep here...  
drkenneth : 8/17/2014 11:33 am : link
As we all know, this was a 3-4 win team last year. The offense has been one of the worst in the league for almost 2 seasons now. I'm an Eli guy, but do see cause for concern.

The OL sucks, We do not have an NFL-caliber TE on the roster, and our WRs aren't very good. Cruz is a great #2, but without a true #1 WR, he can be shut down easily.

I liked the ODB pick, and can't wait to see him, but I will still question whether the best move in the draft would have been Zach Martin @ #12 (Who can play OT & G), and WR or TE in the 2nd, as it was a deep WR draft.

It's gonna be a shitty year.
Nicks taunted the Giant bench?  
Chef : 8/17/2014 11:36 am : link
What a fucking dick
JPP has yet to  
Headhunter : 8/17/2014 11:37 am : link
show that he will return to his rookie season form. You don't need to double team him. JD Walton is not the answer, give Richburg the job and take the growing pains. I watched Aaron Donald and I watched Jay Bromley, I think Bromley is better.
I have seen anyone mention it but  
BIG FRED : 8/17/2014 11:43 am : link
Walter Thurmond III played terrible last night
I review John Mara's season end press conference in January,  
Reese's Pieces : 8/17/2014 12:23 pm : link
and then I look at what everyone's talking about again this year and wonder what he's thinking. Is he as patient as his father?

[W]e just never seemed to be able to protect Eli well enough or get a ground game going well enough and that to me is the number one personnel priority going into the offseason, is we need to improve the offensive line.
RE: Arc,  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2014 12:33 pm : link
In comment 11811089 AnishPatel said:
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Yeah I am not sure what people expected. This team is rebuilding. We need better talent, and now in this new system it's not going to take 2 pre season games to get on track. I expect it to carry into the season.


I don't think its crazy to expect more than 50 yards of total offense from a rebuilding team in the first half of a game. Even the expansion 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs could accomplish that...
Nicks waved at McBride, who then gave him a little bump walking off  
Reese's Pieces : 8/17/2014 12:35 pm : link
the field. Hot stuff. See how these lies get spread.

After the game he went over to Coughlin, shook hands, and wished him luck.
To me......  
Reb8thVA : 8/17/2014 1:10 pm : link
it all starts up front. You can't run or pass if you can't block. Even if you lack sufficient talent in your receiving corps, you can help than out with a good running game but it still requires a solid OL than can block.

I didn't think Reese did enough to solidify the OL in the off season. Schwartz was a nice pick-up, and I liked the Richburg pick, but I still would have taken another interior OL in the 3rd or Martin in the 1st. Jerry, and Brown were cast-offs from other teams that didn't want them. Walton, lets see what happens there.

Again, its been written adnauseum, too many blown picks in rounds 2-4. Too much focus on projects and potential rather than simply good fundamental football players.

If this turns out to be another shit storm season, it will almost certainly be due in part from more sub-par performance from the OL and in that case what will the excuses be then?
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